USA 2020 Election

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Whats this I hear about, if the court cases have merit and Biden can't be inaugurated in Jan because its still ongoing, then the speaker of the house acts as the President?!?!? Talk about a double whammy for Donald if that is accurate...

Lol, i reckon the Democrats will do their best to make that happen!! Imaging the tweets!!

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

They’re mate - “they’re”

For your benefit 👍

Their (it belongs to them)

There (over there)

They’re (they are).

\delete

[Tickford.]

Scenes from inside the White House earlier today.

[Tickford.]

On this 'eventful' day, just thought this would be appropriate.




And that is just a small sample. And to think he picked on Biden for his mumblings of words.

How this clown was instated as president of the free world is beyond belief! Thanks for the last 4+ years though. I have laughed my arrse off watching this fool.

[Tickford.]

[AlanD]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Whats this I hear about, if the court cases have merit and Biden can't be inaugurated in Jan because its still ongoing, then the speaker of the house acts as the President?!?!? Talk about a double whammy for Donald if that is accurate...

I'm reasonably sure that it isn't accurate.

As i read the electoral law for the president of the USA, it follows the following procedure in the case of a contested election.

Firstly: The election is conducted by each of the states - and there are fifty of them. The law in each state is different from all of the others, at least in some regard. For example the margin to allow a recount is a differing percentage of the total votes cast in different states. In fact some states do not allow a contender to claim a recount - one might be done if the margin falls below a stated figure.

Secondly: If a contender wishes to take an issue into a courtroom then then it needs to be lodged in an appropriate lower court in the state where a the claimant feels a case exists. Where it fails the claimant can appeal to a higher court in the state where the original claim was made. Eventually it will ascend the the states' highest court. If it fails there then the claimant can appeal to SCOTUS (Supreme Court of the United States).Note that the argument has to be about a particular infringement, ranging from a single vote being contested as being invalid up to wide ranging electoral fraud in such numbers as to make a difference to the total of the votes tallied to alter the outcome in that state.

Now, whilst all of this is going on the states are finalising their counts and directing the members of their Electoral College as to how their votes should be directed, which must be done by a date in early December. If this can not be done, for example because the governor of a state and the legislature of a state send different electors to the voting event (and a number of states have different coloured governors and legislatures) then the newly assembled House of Representatives are called upon to resolve the matter and they will vote about it in early January after they are sworn in. But even here it is not straightforward. Each of the states gets a vote and this is not based on the number of congressmen that a state has, so if there are more red states than blue states then a republican contender will be elected and vice versa.

If it should happen that the states are evenly split, then, I suspect, this is where SCOTUS gets to step in. And the fact that there are six right of centre justices to 3 left of centre might be the deciding factor. But I would hope their decision might be based upon the will of the electors rather than bias. Since, so far as I know, it has not happened previously there is no precedent to guide them. My research hasn't indicated a legal reason for them to go one way or the other.

So far as I can tell, the majority leader of the House of Representatives does not get into the act in these circumstances. That appears to only happen if both the President and the Vice President are unable to properly carry out the duties of the Office of President. Until January 20 President Trump is the man unless incapable, then it would be Vice President Pence.

All this being said, there is one thing that is quite clear and is stated expicitly in the Constitution. That is that the current term of President Trump ends at midday on January 20, 2021. You can workout for yourselves who it might be that gets sworn in as the President of the USA after that time.

And you thought that our preferential voting system was complicated

HA!

Cheers

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by AlanD

I'm reasonably sure that it isn't accurate.

As i read the electoral law for the president of the USA, it follows the following procedure in the case of a contested election.

Nice one. Makes sense. In this instance it is probably a good thing that each state has control over their own counts. If there is a fault in one state, at least its contained within that state. Imagine if they had a federal AEC type body, and it was found that there was a systemic processing error, it would put all states in doubt. Repeat election?

Regarding speaker of the house stepping in as an interim, I am 90% sure it was mentioned on one of the US TV networks, but I can't recall which one.

[T3rminator]

What if there was a Nancy Pelosi presidency? | COMMENTARY

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion...kji-story.html

Some relevant bits pulled out, but obviously left out lots in between which I'm not sure if it makes any difference to the meaning.

"The second scenario results from an uncertain disputed or deadlocked electoral outcome. Here’s a simplified analysis of that very convoluted process."

blah blah blah

"On Jan. 20 is the presidential inauguration, but if the House fails to select a president by then, the law requires the vice president to elect to become acting president until the House selects the president. If, however, the Senate has failed to select a vice president and the House has not elected a president, under the Presidential Succession Act, the Speaker of the House becomes acting president. It is this scenario — if the Electoral College, Senate, and House end up with total institutional deadlock — that would elevate Speaker Pelosi to acting president of the country."

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

What if there was a Nancy Pelosi presidency? | COMMENTARY

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion...kji-story.html

Some relevant bits pulled out, but obviously left out lots in between which I'm not sure if it makes any difference to the meaning.

"The second scenario results from an uncertain disputed or deadlocked electoral outcome. Here’s a simplified analysis of that very convoluted process."

blah blah blah

"On Jan. 20 is the presidential inauguration, but if the House fails to select a president by then, the law requires the vice president to elect to become acting president until the House selects the president. If, however, the Senate has failed to select a vice president and the House has not elected a president, under the Presidential Succession Act, the Speaker of the House becomes acting president. It is this scenario — if the Electoral College, Senate, and House end up with total institutional deadlock — that would elevate Speaker Pelosi to acting president of the country."

I think Trump will be asked by family & members of his own team to concede defeat in the next 48 hours as this has been rumoured.

[AlanD]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

What if there was a Nancy Pelosi presidency? | COMMENTARY

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion...kji-story.html

Some relevant bits pulled out, but obviously left out lots in between which I'm not sure if it makes any difference to the meaning.

"The second scenario results from an uncertain disputed or deadlocked electoral outcome. Here’s a simplified analysis of that very convoluted process."

blah blah blah

"On Jan. 20 is the presidential inauguration, but if the House fails to select a president by then, the law requires the vice president to elect to become acting president until the House selects the president. If, however, the Senate has failed to select a vice president and the House has not elected a president, under the Presidential Succession Act, the Speaker of the House becomes acting president. It is this scenario — if the Electoral College, Senate, and House end up with total institutional deadlock — that would elevate Speaker Pelosi to acting president of the country."

Ouch!!

I don't get to read the Baltimore Sun so this one escaped my attention.

All I have to say is if you want a convoluted process that leads to confusion then get legal minds involved.

Thanks for the link.

I don't think it will get this far. With modern communications and the expressions of congratulations from many of the allies of the USA towards Biden, I'm thinking only a senseless idiot would be prepared to push things to that extreme.

But I acknowledge that I have been wrong before and no doubt will be again.

Cheers

[buggerlugs]

Oopps.................

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...78874565749f85

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Oopps.................

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...78874565749f85

You just couldnt make this stuff up, I feel a bit for Rudy, a once (from over here anyway) seemingly respected guy now looks like a bad B grade actor from a second rate Mafia film.

[Citroënbender]

I commend their grit, for going through with it.

[FairmontGS]

Supporting local businesses

[Citroënbender]

Where’s Borat, when he’s needed?

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Where’s Borat, when he’s needed?

Giuliani 🤣

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Giuliani 🤣

I had respect for him and the way he handled the 9/11 attack, but now he is just another Trump ****er

[Citroënbender]

I can’t think of too many Australian politicians (and their lackeys) who’d follow through once they realised the scale of such an error:

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I can’t think of too many Australian politicians (and their lackeys) who’d follow through once they realised the scale of such an error:

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No reverse gear hey, the inability to say we made a mistake, lets readdress and fix is not a weakness but a strength!

[Trevor 57]

Trump's ego will NEVER allow him to admit defeat

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

I think Trump will be asked by family & members of his own team to concede defeat in the next 48 hours as this has been rumoured.

If he truly believes there is fraud, then he should follow through. Citizens of the US deserve to know one way or another. It would be unfair to keep claiming fraud but not have it go through the judicial system. That would basically invalidate the Biden presidency for nearly half the population.

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Trump's ego will NEVER allow him to admit defeat

I think you are right. Although I am quite surprised at how quickly the TV networks and leaders all around the world have cemented Biden's presidency. I would have thought they would wait until this week to see what comes out of the legal submissions.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I think you are right. Although I am quite surprised at how quickly the TV networks and leaders all around the world have cemented Biden's presidency. I would have thought they would wait until this week to see what comes out of the legal submissions.

most are confident that the courts will throw out his claims, like they already have once or is it twice since the election

It is like ScoMo saying the AEC is fraudulent and don't know what they are doing Trump needs to get into the real world

[cs123]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I think you are right. Although I am quite surprised at how quickly the TV networks and leaders all around the world have cemented Biden's presidency. I would have thought they would wait until this week to see what comes out of the legal submissions.

Which makes it very hard for any court to overturn it. Imagine if they did... What would happen if the courts invalidated 3 state results (even if they were right to do so)... Would be a disaster to the USA

Personally I think that any judge would be looking for a reason to reject the appeals now.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

If he truly believes there is fraud, then he should follow through. Citizens of the US deserve to know one way or another. It would be unfair to keep claiming fraud but not have it go through the judicial system. That would basically invalidate the Biden presidency for nearly half the population.

Trump is playing his own game of bluff as usual; the man himself is a fraud.
He is just acting like a rich spoilt brat not getting his own way and in the end will look like one big douchebag, come to think of it he is a douchebag.

[Citroënbender]

The incumbent is still “winning” because a majority of the chatter revolves around him (his brand, by his name) rather than parties or country.

[Trevor 57]

How can he hold his head high after this little tanty

He needs to hand in his man-card

Will he still get the respect of the Nation like past Presidents?

[asagaai]

There is a concept of onus of proof. In litigation, law says that one party has to prove something, and if they do to the required level; then the onus shifts to the other party.

Problem with USA is Trump says there is fraud and the election was stolen-lots of bad things happened etc, and the uneducated dullard Republican members believe this and in their reality think it is up to the Democrats to somehow prove that this did not occur.

An Australian journalist best summed Trump up, he is a Narcissist who lives in his own reality, he was an actor who played a role in a reality tv show which was not reality by an unreality.

He makes up his own reality- and his dullard believers of his reality believed him- even regarding the Pandemic, and accepting his reality did not wear masks, and fell ill, including Trump's team including himself, Meadows, and now some 240,000 Americans dead.

Trump did not create the source of divsion in the USA and deep rooted resentments, he is a rat who smells things and simply opened the tops of all the rubbish bins to mine these veins of deep division and hatred that were already there.

[ford71V8]

Trump stated he would leave the country if he lost the election.


He'll be looking for a new home to lead soon.

Hopefully we are too far down the page to be noticed.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by ford71V8

Trump stated he would leave the country if he lost the election.


He'll be looking for a new home to lead soon..

he can take Clive palmer to this new place with him


Trmpty Dumpty promised a wall
Trumpty Dumpty had a great fall
and all the golf corses
and the perzs white men
just couldnt make
America great in the end

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by ford71V8

Trump stated he would leave the country if he lost the election.


He'll be looking for a new home to lead soon.

Hopefully we are too far down the page to be noticed.

Maybe he could move to the countries that hollywood celebrities said they would move to, if trump became president back in 2016.

Funny how none of them did.