60kph over = Instant jail

[Venomous1]

I heard alot of School Zones in this Thread! I coming from South Africa living now in Australia Kids where taught that if you walk into the road you DIE death occurs. Kids treated cars like the plague at schools. and Guess what? No Accidents. you cant make the speed limit lower and tell the kids it safe son if he rides into you he will pay. One of the major problems is with the children themselves not being taught right. Thats why we need ridiculous speeds. I say that all Residential areas should be 60 and school zones 50. town driving like nice roads two lane 70/80 Highways and major roads at least 120 so that us guys with V8's can do the ten over aka 130.

So Teach your kids that the cars are dangerous look left look right look left again and walk.

The Australian Infrastructure is very good children have walkways etc . and yet the still act like the cars are toys and no worries he's doing 40.

That is wrong! I know that repercussions may come from my response but think about it .

[Full Noise]

The problem here, Venomous, is that you’re expecting people to take responsibility for their own actions. Many people these days just want someone else to blame when things go wrong.

You won’t get any argument from me.

[SCD]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

Please for give my ignorance here, SCD, but what qualifications do you need to become a qualified journalist?

Qualified Journalist: Bachelor in Journalism (minimum, most journallists have some marketing experience).

Citizens Journalism: Nadda.


Nor disagreement from me. Parents need to educate their children. Though, I still think school zones should be lower, 40kph really isn't that slow. Accidents happen

[Venomous1]

Glad to see the agrees.

We need a strong "emphasis" on teaching our kids. When I have a family one day and children I will Teach them thats for sure.

So anyway back to the topic I think that highways and major roads should be 130 in Australia.

therefore 60 over 190-200 will be good for a jail sentence. Suspended licenses don't help. Nor does fines. Fines = Government business.

Jail Sentences will scare people a bit more.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by red_hotxr6

You are still not getting the point, the one serious accident i was involved in was caused by some one speeding, someone trying to go faster than me, than what the law allowed and i for one am really, really glad that that person wasnt going any faster because i could have got killed and my 1 year old daughter in the back.There could easily have been 2 deaths due to SPEEDING, what part of that sentence do you fail to understand, that is why there are laws in place, if you follow them, we all arrive safely.Dont bend the laws to suit you..

It's you that is not getting the point. So, you had an accident. I'm glad you and your little one got out of it OK. Now, was your accident out on a stretch of rural road like the one in the pictures I posted??? Have you ever driven on a stretch of Hiway that has been designated (//)?? If you haven't, can I politely say that you do not know what we are talking about. But you want to force your idea of road safety onto every body else. Many learned people have come out and said that taking away the (//) zones was a backward step. It seems that the Harold Scrubies of the world have governments ear. I posted those pictures so thet everyone that chooses to comment on roads that have/had a limit free clasification could see what was actually being spoken about.

I suppose if we all went by your way of thinking, these roads should have a 80kph limit on them. I bet that in your accident, there were other factors other than just speeding!!
But I agree with you 100%. There are some roads that have a limit on them and so they should. But you have to agree that there are some roads that should NOT have limits on them..... ie the Stuart Hiway and a few others.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by Wokkas

Outbackjack: How long has it been since de-restriction in NT has ended? If you're basing statistics on the fatality count in that short a time frame, then you're obviously using the same flawed system as most government advisors use.

Gidday Wokkas, its not just the numbers that are taken into account. But you are correct, if you take percentages on such small numbers you get skewered results. But what is important is where the deaths ocurred and what factors came into play. In the NT road toll so far for this year only one accident that incured a fatality has been on the old (//) hiways.

An interesting thing that most people have not connected with the NT road toll at the moment is the fact that the NT abo communities are crawling with federal police and army personell. These folk will be enforcing the dry status of many of these communities. This, I believe, will have a flow on effect to the road toll here in the NT. Of course Clare Martin will try to take credit for this. So we may well see the NT road toll start to take a dip.

[red_hotxr6]

Originally Posted by SCD

Qualified Journalist: Bachelor in Journalism (minimum, most journallists have some marketing experience).

Citizens Journalism: Nadda.


Nor disagreement from me. Parents need to educate their children. Though, I still think school zones should be lower, 40kph really isn't that slow. Accidents happen

I totally agree, and not only lower, but either "policed" or have an alarm system, because to this date people still do not SLOW down when approaching a school zoned area. When i pick my kids up from school, the lane way is adjacent to the main road where the police stand with there speed gun catching speeding motorists, all the time...

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by red_hotxr6

I totally agree, and not only lower, but either "policed" or have an alarm system, because to this date people still do not SLOW down when approaching a school zoned area. When i pick my kids up from school, the lane way is adjacent to the main road where the police stand with there speed gun catching speeding motorists, all the time...

FFS, give it a break, will you. You’re starting to sound like a broken record.

[Wokkas]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

FFS, give it a break, will you. You’re starting to sound like a broken record.

Why? Because she disagrees with you?

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by Wokkas

Why? Because she disagrees with you?

Not particularly.
How the hell did this thread end up on the subject of school zones? Also, I couldn’t care less whether she agrees with me of not, and I couldn’t care less for the opinions of someone that’s held a licence for four years.

[thek]

This is the stupidest poll I've ever seen on a forum. who here has never gone 60kph over the limit? do you think you should have gone to jail? /thread.

[red_hotxr6]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

FFS, give it a break, will you. You’re starting to sound like a broken record.

Am i just, well maybe i HAVE to because the amount of drivers out there breaking law just dont get the message, OBEY THE ROAD RULES. And i am also VERY proud of my 4 years of holding my drivers licence without loosing a single point, can you say the same? Maybe if you had some idiot of a speeding driver write your car off and almost take you and your child,s life, you could possibly comprehend.

[XR06T]

Originally Posted by red_hotxr6

Am i just, well maybe i HAVE to because the amount of drivers out there breaking law just dont get the message, OBEY THE ROAD RULES. And i am also VERY proud of my 4 years of holding my drivers licence without loosing a single point, can you say the same? Maybe if you had some idiot of a speeding driver write your car off and almost take you and your child,s life, you could possibly comprehend.

you still havent understood that speeding at different times and places has nothing to do with when you had an accident.

i sit over the limit on every midnight trip that i make home from my brothers place, with next to no cars on the road. penalty is the same, but it is 4890461089406% safer than speeding in the traffic on my way to work, which i DONT do.

[red_hotxr6]

Ok, that,s it i am finished you win.......

[DOC]

Originally Posted by red_hotxr6

Am i just, well maybe i HAVE to because the amount of drivers out there breaking law just dont get the message, OBEY THE ROAD RULES. And i am also VERY proud of my 4 years of holding my drivers licence without loosing a single point, can you say the same? Maybe if you had some idiot of a speeding driver write your car off and almost take you and your child,s life, you could possibly comprehend.

I don't think any one advotes speeding beyond the posted speed limit, but there are some cases where the speed limit is perhaps under what it could be or should be, a classic example is the road from SA into VIC this is 100kph, on a road with a better surface than most roads in SA have at 110kph, the lower speed limit only dulls your senses and bores you crapless, and one can only wonder if these rules are more related to revenue than common sense.

As to the original post one could put up a valid arguement that the notion of sending people to jail for speeding would only increase our road carnage and do little if nothing to improve the outcome.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by red_hotxr6

Am i just, well maybe i HAVE to because the amount of drivers out there breaking law just dont get the message, OBEY THE ROAD RULES. And i am also VERY proud of my 4 years of holding my drivers licence without loosing a single point, can you say the same? Maybe if you had some idiot of a speeding driver write your car off and almost take you and your child,s life, you could possibly comprehend.

OBEY THE ROAD RULES, do not think, do not question, do not use judgement.

If the traffic light is green you must drive through you do not need to look for other traffic they may illegally cross in front of you as you are OBEYING THE RULES.

If the speed limit is 100km/h and there is intermittent visibility due to fog you can go 100km/h because YOU ARE OBEYING THE RULES.

If you have a critically hurt person on board and time is important, e.g. snakebite, it is ok to let them die or suffer permenent damage because if you went over the speed limit you would NOT BE OBEYING THE RULES.

Law by its very nature is not absolute and situations must be judged on their merit. To react emotionally rather than logicly is a human failing that is more prevalent in some than others.
The young are far more emotional and less logical than the old due to many factors to do with physiology and psychology and this phenomena has shown itself quite clearly with some of the responses.

It is interesting to note that the support for this punishment is mostly from the young. Laws are made by the old. In a few years the young on here will be old and they will be making the laws. It will be their chance to run the world.

I am quite sure when this happens the same group will be under siege from the next generation of twenty something year olds who will believe whole heartedly that they have all the answers and that those with the actual experience have no idea.

This is what has been happening for the last umpty thousand years and will do so for the next umpty thousand years.

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by flappist

OBEY THE ROAD RULES, do not think, do not question, do not use judgement.

If the traffic light is green you must drive through you do not need to look for other traffic they may illegally cross in front of you as you are OBEYING THE RULES.

If the speed limit is 100km/h and there is intermittent visibility due to fog you can go 100km/h because YOU ARE OBEYING THE RULES.

If you have a critically hurt person on board and time is important, e.g. snakebite, it is ok to let them die or suffer permenent damage because if you went over the speed limit you would NOT BE OBEYING THE RULES.

Law by its very nature is not absolute and situations must be judged on their merit. To react emotionally rather than logicly is a human failing that is more prevalent in some than others.
The young are far more emotional and less logical than the old due to many factors to do with physiology and psychology and this phenomena has shown itself quite clearly with some of the responses.

It is interesting to note that the support for this punishment is mostly from the young. Laws are made by the old. In a few years the young on here will be old and they will be making the laws. It will be their chance to run the world.

I am quite sure when this happens the same group will be under siege from the next generation of twenty something year olds who will believe whole heartedly that they have all the answers and that those with the actual experience have no idea.

This is what has been happening for the last umpty thousand years and will do so for the next umpty thousand years.

You pretty much summed up what I was about to say. But I will add that our Miss luke_warm_camry, well, is just not all that bright.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by red_hotxr6

And i am also VERY proud of my 4 years of holding my drivers licence without loosing a single point, can you say the same? Maybe if you had some idiot of a speeding driver write your car off and almost take you and your child,s life, you could possibly comprehend.

Yes I can say the same, and guess what, Sweetheart? I travel over 250,000 kilometres a year, not that this matters. And as for comprehending what car drivers do… are you serious? You wouldn’t believe the things that people do in front of me on a daily basis and still expect to live, simply because they must get in front of a B-double, at whatever cost.

[robbo_yobbo]

Originally Posted by red_hotxr6

You are still not getting the point, the one serious accident i was involved in was caused by some one speeding, someone trying to go faster than me, than what the law allowed and i for one am really, really glad that that person wasnt going any faster because i could have got killed and my 1 year old daughter in the back.There could easily have been 2 deaths due to SPEEDING, what part of that sentence do you fail to understand, that is why there are laws in place, if you follow them, we all arrive safely.Dont bend the laws to suit you..

No we understand that (well I do), and that point is getting through loud and clear. You had an accident, and the guy was speeding.....So What....as unfortunate as it is, it has allot to do with nothing.

Think of it this way, if the overall speed limit was higher, the bloke that was trying to go faster than you, may now just have been traveling at the same speed as you (because the speed limit was now up), in which case the accident may not have happened at all. having said that, I dont know the ins and outs of the incident, so it would be unfair of me to pass any judgement.

In reality, theres always going to be accidents due to stupidity, but not due to speed. Im pretty sure the fact that the guy was going faster isnt what caused the accident, but moreso the fact that he wasnt paying attention or factored in for other cars/objects etc.

As far as I understand, your point is something allong the lines of "If my accident was any faster there may have been a death, and dont speed". (feel free to make your point clearer if this is not the point you were trying to get across)

My point is the current speed limits are stupid, and that this poll is stupid......

I dont realy see where these oppinions crossover or dissagree with eachother, (in which case am curious as to how you came to the conclusion we missed the point)