FIRST PICS!!! VE & WM UNCOVERED!!!

[Casper]

Originally Posted by The-ShowStoPPa

yo buddyforyou, i couldnt help but read ur lil statements about the vt being some sort of modern marvel, maybe at the time they were such a red hot item but compared to an au 2 or 3 heck ive seen better bags of cow poop bein sold by the road, and dont even get me started on that bland interior especially the door trims and another favourite of mine is the bumpy suspension and thats just me being picky to details but since its what your doing ild figure ild play by your rules but honestly nowadays aslong as a car is reliable, roomy, and has a smooth engine...ect people are gonna be happy and i am just not a fan of the vt lol

Damn... just woke up after passing out. Usually I take a breath at the full stops but....


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[stevz]

Originally Posted by The-ShowStoPPa

yo buddyforyou, i couldnt help but read ur lil statements about the vt being some sort of modern marvel, maybe at the time they were such a red hot item but compared to an au 2 or 3 heck ive seen better bags of cow poop bein sold by the road, and dont even get me started on that bland interior especially the door trims and another favourite of mine is the bumpy suspension and thats just me being picky to details but since its what your doing ild figure ild play by your rules but honestly nowadays aslong as a car is reliable, roomy, and has a smooth engine...ect people are gonna be happy and i am just not a fan of the vt lol

I really don't know what you're getting at here, I have read a few of your posts and they all seem childish and misinformed, but this one takes the cake.
You call the VT interior bland, but since when was the AU's interior an oil painting? Bumpy suspension? You're forgetting that the majority of AU's had a live axle while the VT had IRS across the range.... As far as I can remember the Commodore was always favoured in ride quality compared to the AU. It was the BA which turned this around.

[McobraR]

Originally Posted by The-ShowStoPPa

yo buddyforyou, i couldnt help but read ur lil statements about the vt being some sort of modern marvel, maybe at the time they were such a red hot item but compared to an au 2 or 3 heck ive seen better bags of cow poop bein sold by the road, and dont even get me started on that bland interior especially the door trims and another favourite of mine is the bumpy suspension and thats just me being picky to details but since its what your doing ild figure ild play by your rules but honestly nowadays aslong as a car is reliable, roomy, and has a smooth engine...ect people are gonna be happy and i am just not a fan of the vt lol

Hmm disagree with some of ur comments, the interior in the VT's look WAY better than the AU, the centre console makes the driver feel as if he's part of the car, thats what made me choose it over an AU, plus, the VT looks better, drinks less, rides comfortably (tho abit too soft and wavey) and has heaps of room. Engine is alright, tho not very responsive (probably due to auto trans) But i agree with u about reliability. I've had so much cr*p happen that it makes me wonder whether i made the right decision. In the end, im still glad i got it because i like the way it looks and i feel good driving it.

[The Stylist]

Wow, this is a fantastic discussion about the upcoming Commodore - even to the point where I'm starting to see flashbacks of my life from the 1997-1999 era of motoring.

Keep the discussion on track guys.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by stevz

I really don't know what you're getting at here, I have read a few of your posts and they all seem childish and misinformed, but this one takes the cake.

not arguing there.. it was something I found hard to read but he did actually make some valid points.

Originally Posted by stevz

You call the VT interior bland, but since when was the AU's interior an oil painting?

Quite correct. The AU polarized opinion however the VT's use of cheap plastics and dated parts was commonly referred to in most magazines. Although aesthetically more pleasing to the journo's the actual quality of the VT interior was hated almost unanimously.

Originally Posted by stevz

Bumpy suspension? You're forgetting that the majority of AU's had a live axle while the VT had IRS across the range.... As far as I can remember the Commodore was always favoured in ride quality compared to the AU. It was the BA which turned this around.

You remember incorrectly then. The Falcon Live axle was, in general, highly praised and regarded as a match of the VT IRS in almost all respects. The front double wishbone suspension was seen as miles ahead of the VT's strut setup and the Falcon IRS was simply on another planet as far as refinement was concerned. Regardless of what you remember the AU actually won the majority of the road tests for comfort, handling (it is seen as one of the most sorted and best handling Falcons ever) and driver friendliness.

The VT was generally seen as far better looking and quicker to 100kph.. in all else it was comprehensively trounced by the AU.

[Falcon Freak]

VE production starts on the 17th of July 2006 which is 5 weeks from today.

FF

[stevz]

Originally Posted by Casper

You remember incorrectly then. The Falcon Live axle was, in general, highly praised and regarded as a match of the VT IRS in almost all respects. The front double wishbone suspension was seen as miles ahead of the VT's strut setup and the Falcon IRS was simply on another planet as far as refinement was concerned. Regardless of what you remember the AU actually won the majority of the road tests for comfort, handling (it is seen as one of the most sorted and best handling Falcons ever) and driver friendliness.

The VT was generally seen as far better looking and quicker to 100kph.. in all else it was comprehensively trounced by the AU.

Sorry, but this sounds a little too biased to me. You are correct in saying that the AU IRS was superior in ride and handling to the VT, no argument there, however there was no comparison between a live axled AU and a VT, the VT won every time in the majority of tests I have read. I have also driven both comprehensively and found the VT to be a lot more comfortable and smoother riding, especially on bumpy and corrugated roads (in my opinion anyway).

[Casper]

Originally Posted by stevz

Sorry, but this sounds a little too biased to me. You are correct in saying that the AU IRS was superior in ride and handling to the VT, no argument there, however there was no comparison between a live axled AU and a VT, the VT won every time in the majority of tests I have read. I have also driven both comprehensively and found the VT to be a lot more comfortable and smoother riding, especially on bumpy and corrugated roads (in my opinion anyway).

Yes, the VT IRS was more comfortable and smooth riding over bumps and corrugations than the live axle, thats why I said the Live axle was a match in almost all respects. Unfortunatly for the VT it was let down by woeful front suspension that was not even close to the AU's double wishbone. The VT IRS also suffered badly from "camber instability" meaning that as it absorbed bumps (or had a full tank of fuel.. or people in the rear.. or a full boot) the rear wheels would change camber and start "steering" the car. This can still be see on any road you see the VT in today. They were also renound for destroying inside edges of rear wheels.
As a performance application the VT IRS was dreadful. Take one for a hard drive and then take the AU Live axle (forget the AU IRS.. its a long way up the road already). You will find that, with the exception of mid corner bump steer in the AU live axle, it is as good as the VT IRS and, in some respects better (no radical camber changes on heavy turns). Add the far superior front suspension of the AU and the overall suspension package of the AU was ahead. I will say though that this is AFTER the initial suspension upgrade to the AU1 in 1999. The original forte suspension was too floaty and high to be effective.

Still not convinced? Heres a quote from MOTOR April 2001 to sum it up (article regarding the upcoming VX.)

While the extra toe-control link was originally incorporated into the Opel Omega that donated its rear suspension to the VP Calais and SS, Holden discarded it to keep costs down. From the VY onwards, though, it will be standard across the range as Holden combats the perception that Ford's Falcon is a better handling package. The extra link prevents torque-induced toe-angle changes, which give the Commodore its unwanted rear-steer effect under hard acceleration

[stevz]

Originally Posted by Casper

Yes, the VT IRS was more comfortable and smooth riding over bumps and corrugations than the live axle, thats why I said the Live axle was a match in almost all respects. Unfortunatly for the VT it was let down by woeful front suspension that was not even close to the AU's double wishbone. The VT IRS also suffered badly from "camber instability" meaning that as it absorbed bumps (or had a full tank of fuel.. or people in the rear.. or a full boot) the rear wheels would change camber and start "steering" the car. This can still be see on any road you see the VT in today. They were also renound for destroying inside edges of rear wheels.
As a performance application the VT IRS was dreadful. Take one for a hard drive and then take the AU Live axle (forget the AU IRS.. its a long way up the road already). You will find that, with the exception of mid corner bump steer in the AU live axle, it is as good as the VT IRS and, in some respects better (no radical camber changes on heavy turns). Add the far superior front suspension of the AU and the overall suspension package of the AU was ahead. I will say though that this is AFTER the initial suspension upgrade to the AU1 in 1999. The original forte suspension was too floaty and high to be effective.

I don't doubt what you are saying, however I think some of your descriptions are heavily exaggerated. When I said that I felt the vt was better riding over rough and corrugated roads, this includes the front suspension too, so while your au wishbone front suspension may be percieved to be technically superior, I believe that the VT's front suspension actually does a better job in the real world. I don't care how it performs on paper, on the road is what matters.

[blutura]

It's funny stevz, you accuse Casper of being biased, but then a scan through the 19 posts you have contribued since you joined in March shows that the vast majority of them were directly negative towards Ford and/or blatently praising of Holden.

Lets take a brief look shall we...

Originally Posted by stevz

Yesterday, 11:07 PM
FIRST PICS!!! VE & WM UNCOVERED!!!
Posted By stevz

I don't doubt what you are saying, however I think some of your descriptions are heavily exaggerated. When I said that I felt the vt was better riding over rough and corrugated roads, this includes...
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Yesterday, 10:22 PM
FIRST PICS!!! VE & WM UNCOVERED!!!
Posted By stevz

Sorry, but this sounds a little too biased to me. You are correct in saying that the AU IRS was superior in ride and handling to the VT, no argument there, however there was no comparison between a...
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Yesterday, 10:12 PM
Toyota TV Ad
Posted By stevz

Ok, but while Toyota may be implying this, they didn't actally say that, so your statement is made up of your own words. I also quote your sentence "and to a lesser extent the falcon" in which you...
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Yesterday, 06:52 PM
First car for a female P-Plater
Posted By stevz

Focus is built in South Africa isn't it?
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Yesterday, 06:49 PM
FIRST PICS!!! VE & WM UNCOVERED!!!
Posted By stevz

I really don't know what you're getting at here, I have read a few of your posts and they all seem childish and misinformed, but this one takes the cake.
You call the VT interior bland, but since...
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Yesterday, 04:37 PM
Toyota TV Ad
Posted By stevz

That's a pretty big call to make. Would you like to elaborate as to what will make the Aurion so technically superior to the VE?
If it's due to the fact that the V8 in the Commodores are pushrod...
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11-06-06, 09:50 PM
commodore pic???
Posted By stevz

Not really a good idea as he would have plenty of ammunition to get you back with, re: there are a number of xr6t's with these stickers which have been posted before.
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10-06-06, 03:30 PM
First car for a female P-Plater
Posted By stevz

Funny, Falcons did not have an airbag until 1994. :
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04-06-06, 05:14 PM
Silliest Wings or Bodykits
Posted By stevz

How's this for vomit inducing material... : (picture of Focus with big wing)
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24-05-06, 10:16 PM
some info from GM on future commo engines
Posted By stevz

Wasn't the Falcon ute and Territiory awarded the number 1 choice of car for gay people recently? I remember reading it somewhere.
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24-05-06, 10:07 PM
VP commos they r quickish!?!? y?
Posted By stevz

From my experiences the V6 in the VY is just as smooth, quiet and refined as the BA I6 in normal everyday driving under 4000rpm. Not a bad achievement for a pushrod motor compared to a dohc....
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24-05-06, 09:49 PM
VP commos they r quickish!?!? y?
Posted By stevz

The Falcon 6 of the same era sounds no better above 4000rpm so what is your point?
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24-05-06, 09:00 PM
VP commos they r quickish!?!? y?
Posted By stevz

I wouldn't worry about it too much SlickHolden. As long as you're happy with your car then that's all that matters.
Comments like UNR8D's are simply designed to stir s**t and do nothing but display...
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24-05-06, 08:52 PM
New Ve Pics!
Posted By stevz

If anything the roofline looks reminiscent of VT to me. Remember, the VT shape was introduced over a year earlier than the AU, so it could be said that the AU's roofline and rear quarter window shape...
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24-05-06, 05:09 PM
VP commos they r quickish!?!? y?
Posted By stevz

The rattling noise heard in buick V6's is in most cases caused by the rubber in the harmonic balancer deteriorating and causing metal to metal contact.
Change the harmonic balancer which is a $150...
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23-05-06, 06:06 AM
VP commos they r quickish!?!? y?
Posted By stevz

I wasn't going to get involved in this thread either but I feel I must.
That is the most unsubstantiated load of garbage I have ever read. If you're going to post ill informed tripe like this then at...
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Gotta say stevz, can't wait to see what the next 19 posts brings!

sure you wouldn't be happier over at LS1.com?

[FGX-351]

Originally Posted by stevz

I really don't know what you're getting at here, I have read a few of your posts and they all seem childish and misinformed, but this one takes the cake.
You call the VT interior bland, but since when was the AU's interior an oil painting? Bumpy suspension? You're forgetting that the majority of AU's had a live axle while the VT had IRS across the range.... As far as I can remember the Commodore was always favoured in ride quality compared to the AU. It was the BA which turned this around.

yeh i agree about that post i did it in a rush and thanks for following my posts on this great forum i dont know whether to class you as a fan or a stalker but one thing that stuck out was this whole childish/misinformed thing, bro if you havent already noticed i say things in good fun and also happen to have an above average self esteem(still undecided whether or not thats a bad thing) but after your holden bias in posts was pointed out im thinking that your misinformed here, thanks for your comment:d

[FGX-351]

Originally Posted by Casper

Damn... just woke up after passing out. Usually I take a breath at the full stops but....


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lol yeah I just re-read my entire post, you wouldn't even think I'm a vha in senior english.:
whilst im here ill some up my post from before, all those little problems that cars tend to have are over exagerated way too much. Brand loyal clients and car enthusiusts are only a small percentage of new car sales with the majority of new car sales going to non enthusiusts looking for whats best in price, comfort and reliability to them not what a bunch or crusty old men at motor think.
To me the AU has always felt like the better car then the VT after having a good deal of experience in both but thats just an opinion nothing more.
This thread is starting to get way off topic lets get back to talking about the VE commodore

[Casper]

Originally Posted by stevz

I don't doubt what you are saying, however I think some of your descriptions are heavily exaggerated. When I said that I felt the vt was better riding over rough and corrugated roads, this includes the front suspension too, so while your au wishbone front suspension may be percieved to be technically superior, I believe that the VT's front suspension actually does a better job in the real world. I don't care how it performs on paper, on the road is what matters.

You are allowed to have your preference.. but you are one of the vast minority that feel this. The Falcon front suspension has always been grossly superior to the mcpherson strut. You mentioned all the "magazine reviews" you had read.. are you sure you were reading them?

You do understand the mcpherson strut concept and that it was best applied in smaller cars right? The more powerful and heavy the car the less suitable?
Maybe thats why all Commodore V8 supercars now run double wishbone suspension.

[Dazza XLT]

Originally Posted by Carpoint Article

How will Ford respond? Log on to CarPoint on Thursday (June 15) to find out...

http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/car-review/1823059.aspx

[Hally]

Commodore V8 Supercars run double wishbone for parity, the same reason the Falcons and Commodores run the same rear end.

This is not a comment on which is best, I just think arguments should be based on fact.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by Hally

Commodore V8 Supercars run double wishbone for parity, the same reason the Falcons and Commodores run the same rear end.

This is not a comment on which is best, I just think arguments should be based on fact.

Yes it is parity.. however they all could have ran Mcpherson strut front ends for parity too.. and that would have been the "cheaper" option for teams. Strangely enough though the Holden teams didnt want that.

[The Stylist]

Originally Posted by Darran

http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/car-review/1823059.aspx

I wonder if that article refers to the Falcon BFII being revealed to counter the upcoming VE?

If so I wonder what changes Ford have got in store?

[Dazza XLT]

Originally Posted by The Stylist

I wonder if that article refers to the Falcon BFII being revealed to counter the upcoming VE?

If so I wonder what changes Ford have got in store?

Don't know. Makes for an interesting twist!

[blutura]

Heres hoping BFII will be a substantially bigger upgrade than BA-BAII was.
I think a new taillight design at the very least is in order. Would be good to see Ford put alloys on the XT model as standard too.

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by The-ShowStoPPa

yo buddyforyou, i couldnt help but read ur lil statements about the vt being some sort of modern marvel, maybe at the time they were such a red hot item but compared to an au 2 or 3 heck ive seen better bags of cow poop bein sold by the road, and dont even get me started on that bland interior especially the door trims and another favourite of mine is the bumpy suspension and thats just me being picky to details but since its what your doing ild figure ild play by your rules but honestly nowadays aslong as a car is reliable, roomy, and has a smooth engine...ect people are gonna be happy and i am just not a fan of the vt lol

yer but no but yer but no but

[fast66]

Originally Posted by The-ShowStoPPa

yo buddyforyou, i couldnt help but read ur lil statements about the vt being some sort of modern marvel, maybe at the time they were such a red hot item but compared to an au 2 or 3 heck ive seen better bags of cow poop bein sold by the road, and dont even get me started on that bland interior especially the door trims and another favourite of mine is the bumpy suspension and thats just me being picky to details but since its what your doing ild figure ild play by your rules but honestly nowadays aslong as a car is reliable, roomy, and has a smooth engine...ect people are gonna be happy and i am just not a fan of the vt lol

.............Or punctuation, so it seems!

[Jock260]

the vt was a great vehicle, we used to own an vt ss 5spd manual, no mods got it to 225 easily, ran out of road, that car was a gun, the vt is a gud car and so are all the other holdens, but, fords are a better

[Jock260]

you goys are probhably gonna pay the hell out of me, but anyway

[Jock260]

guys**

[AWD Chaser]

Originally Posted by minesbeta:-)

the vt was a great vehicle, we used to own an vt ss 5spd manual, no mods got it to 225 easily, ran out of road, that car was a gun, the vt is a gud car and so are all the other holdens, but, fords are a better

With 45 posts, I hope your not just trying to bring out an argument on your claims....

Didn't the VT have limiters on them?

[AWD Chaser]

Originally Posted by blutura

Heres hoping BFII will be a substantially bigger upgrade than BA-BAII was.
I think a new taillight design at the very least is in order. Would be good to see Ford put alloys on the XT model as standard too.

As much as I would like to see this happen, it won't because Fleet, etc, need the bare basics

[Jock260]

not before 225kph, lol, im not trying to start an arument, i jusy dont see a problem with holdens, i mean they are also a great aussies muscle car, i mean HG GTS 350 hq gts 350 ALL GREAT MUSCLE CARS, but obviously we all prefer fords

Originally Posted by au3 chaser

With 45 posts, I hope your not just trying to bring out an argument on your claims....

Didn't the VT have limiters on them?

[Jock260]

And what do you mean by 45 post's does that mean im more of a chance to start an argument (im seriously asking)

[FGX-351]

[QUOTE=fast66].............Or punctuation, so it seems![/QUOTE
I corrected my lazy post, and chances are i'm alot smarter then you :the_finge but thats off topic now isn't it

[blutura]

Originally Posted by au3 chaser

As much as I would like to see this happen, it won't because Fleet, etc, need the bare basics

What Ford should do is have an XT for fleet and an XT for private buyers. Just put steelies on the fleet model (fleet buyers get massive discounts anyway, so this would keep the costs down) and put alloys on the XT for private sales.