Car Detailing - What products are your go to?

[FTE217]

I had a XF van for a company car back in the late 80's early 90's.
Then all you had was armourall, yes I know but all you had.
Always hated those grey bumpers looking shyte, nothing like coating them, needs to be matt finish.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Thanks so much, just don't want it to look to shiny, tyres I don't mind.

Totally understand that.

303 would be the least glossy.

You could also coat them with an Si02 spray sealant like Carpro Reload or even Megs Hybrid Ceramic Detailer, which doesn't lead to a night and day difference, rather gives a richer finish on unpainted plastics.

https://www.waxit.com.au/products/ca...40406212149337
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[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by FTE217

I had a XF van for a company car back in the late 80's early 90's.
Then all you had was armourall, yes I know but all you had.
Always hated those grey bumpers looking shyte, nothing like coating them, needs to be matt finish.

Yeah like them because I do alot of dirt road driving with the usual constant gravel being thrown around not to mention squashing bloody Locust everywhere.

Area behind the lower wheel arches have colour matched vinyl wrap to ward off stone chipping so there is that option.
I see so many cars around here with badly chipped, painted body coloured bumpers.

[FTE217]

yer I hear you re chips bugs and all.
Wrap is too thin though unless its thick stuff - I've got on the sprint and T3 that thicker PPF, a rocks penetrates that if at all compared to vinyl.

Black cars OMG who invented Black cars... Henry !!!!!

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by TrVrPhiLpsiNdstrys

Black cars OMG who invented Black cars... Henry !!!!!

haha welcome to the never ending process owning Black Daz.
Yer damn Henry lol.....

I was admiring the other day and commented to my son about full wraps in matt, a amg or something, he said no cleaning Dad.
Sure made me think yer thats not a bad method to the madness.
Save me on time and detailing products

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by FTE217

haha welcome to the never ending process owning Black Daz.
Yer damn Henry lol.....

I was admiring the other day and commented to my son about full wraps in matt, a amg or something, he said no cleaning Dad.
Sure made me think yer thats not a bad method to the madness.
Save me on time and detailing products

Matte wrap or paint (BMW Frozen colours) can certainly be washed and ceramic coated.

What you can't do though is polish a matte finish, which makes it hard to address scuffs or washing swirls. I really don't see the point of matte paint finishes, they just look dull.

[prydey]

On the topic of Perl for tyres, I found using it full strength it stayed wet too long and then ends up slinging out of all the detailing on the tyres.

What I have done is dilute it 1:1, and just wipe it on with a cheap microfibre towel (pack of 10 cheap blue ones from autobarn etc).

For the territory, I don't like glossy black tyres on it, so just one layer is fine. For the Escape, I give it a couple of layers and it bumps it up just enough.

No slinging that way. Don't get too much excess in all the grooves/lettering etc.

[bfets]

@DFB have you ever experienced any of the downsides of Bead Maker?

I've seen Sandro from Car Craft Auto Detailing who I respect a lot give it a really poor review because of its poor water beading behaviour. Lots of people have dusting issues etc.

Most love it though. I'm confused on whether to try it as a topper over my cars with Collinite 845.

[stannoplan]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Thanks so much, just don't want it to look to shiny, tyres I don't mind.

After a bit of experimentation myself I would recommend Solution Finish as well, it lasts a long time. As DFB says 303 goes pretty well over the top to maintain it and remain fairly dull.

If you want a mid-low sheen try Cerakote Ceramic Wipes, you can get them out of QLD. They really did a great job on the CRV and older Tiguan with acres of textured lower trim. They say 200 washes, 12 months on and I'm really happy, make sure you prep the area really well as it can get blotchy.

Sometimes I go mad and use all 3, SFR, then Cerakote then top every few
months with 303, but I've run out of plastic to coat.

[stannoplan]

Originally Posted by bfets

@DFB have you ever experienced any of the downsides of Bead Maker?

I've seen Sandro from Car Craft Auto Detailing who I respect a lot give it a really poor review because of its poor water beading behaviour. Lots of people have dusting issues etc.

Most love it though. I'm confused on whether to try it as a topper over my cars with Collinite 845.

I too would love to know what the fuss is about, I think its about expectations: simple, easy, short term gloss. If DFB likes it then I am sure its a winner.

My bottle turns up tomorrow from Detailing Shed, I might try a comparison between my current faves Wet Coat, Happy Endings and Mirch QD.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by bfets

@DFB have you ever experienced any of the downsides of Bead Maker?

I've seen Sandro from Car Craft Auto Detailing who I respect a lot give it a really poor review because of its poor water beading behaviour. Lots of people have dusting issues etc.

Most love it though. I'm confused on whether to try it as a topper over my cars with Collinite 845.

Originally Posted by stannoplan

I too would love to know what the fuss is about, I think its about expectations: simple, easy, short term gloss. If DFB likes it then I am sure its a winner.

My bottle turns up tomorrow from Detailing Shed, I might try a comparison between my current faves Wet Coat, Happy Endings and Mirch QD.

This is a multilayered question that warrants a detailed response. This is not to discredit anyone but explain some of the reasoning with regards to Bead Maker. I really don't know how to structure this, so I may jump around a bit.



Firstly, humans are oddly critical of anything that is popular. In the detailing world specifically, I have noticed that certain products that have a lot of market recognition and popularity get labelled as a "fad" or "over hyped". They then tend to focus on the negatives, to the point where the good points get overshadowed. It's this mentality and small talk that stopped me from trying Bead Maker earlier.

In regard to Sandro's review of Bead Maker, this is a valid and well executed test of the product. He highlights both pros and cons but does so from the view of a professional detailer, where certain user experience aspects tend to be not as important. He is absolutely correct in questioning the naming of the product in relation to the physical properties it exhibits.



Because of that popularity, and subsequent critique, I feel people don't understand what Bead Maker is and what it isn't capable of. A lot of people are not applying it correctly or improperly. Bead Maker is a polymer paint sealant. It does contain a very small amount of "ceramic" or Si02, but not enough for P&S to call it a ceramic spray sealant. As such, longevity is not it's strong point..............although that is down to application technique.

There are two main ways to apply Bead Maker; one is the recommendation from P&S themselves, the other is the adopted application method.

- Method one involves an extremely heavy initial application. Applied as such, you should see the longevity from the product that P&S suggest, about 2-3 months. This method involves applying to bare paint, as in a standalone paint sealant.

But, most people don't apply it that way, do they?

- Method two is how detailers have adopted Bead Maker, as in a drying aid or topper to an existing ceramic coating, wax or sealant. P&S did not intend Bead Maker to be a drying aid, but it certainly works very well as one. But when you think about it, this is a spray and wipe type of action, as such you are simply not applying enough to achieve a long-lasting effect, not to mention applying it on top of another product.



That does not mean you can't use Bead Maker as a topper or drying aid, in fact P&S made sure that it would play well with a variety of different waxes, sealants and coatings. But what it does show is that people are expecting too much from the product.

From my point of view, I use Bead Maker as a drying aid for the gloss and slickness it imparts. The scent is also a delightful element too. If that gloss washes off at the next wash, then so be it, I already have a base layer of "protection" and I always use a drying aid anyway, so what's the problem?

Another thing I want to address is the name and branding. Bead Maker implies a high beading finish, and in a way that is correct, perhaps not as you would expect. However, those beads are actually the ones it creates as you spray it onto the paint, something that has been confirmed a few times by P&S (I wish I could find those references). So, the name is a bit deceptive, and hence people give it stick for not acting like a ceramic coating. Also, the claim of a "long lasting finish" is again a touch overstated on P&S's part. In a technical sense, yes, it is a paint sealant, but its longevity is not anywhere near being "long lasting".



Bead Maker Pro's and Con's -

Cons -

Lack of Longevity - (see above)

Lack of Beading - correct, it doesn't bead exceptionally well. Something like NV Nova Jet will blow it out of the water.

Dusting - this is a known aspect of Bead Maker, more so in dry climates and most noticeable on darker colored cars. The way Bead Maker changes the surface tension of the paint doesn't necessarily "attract" dust, but rather "holds" onto dust.

If you are using a plush, high pile towel like the TRC Eagle Edgeless, this can increase the static charge, so switching to a lower pile towel like the FTW can help the matter. You can also apply a small amount of Paint Gloss, which has natural anti-static properties, after the Bead Maker application. I never bother.

In my case, I have only noticed "dusting" on my dark coloured cars, but not enough to avoid using it.

Streaking - this can actually occur to any paint protection or enhancement product. Again, misuse of the product is usually the cause. Try not to apply in the sun or on hot panels, a humid climate can be challanging too. Use two towels, one for the initial wipe and one for the final wipe. And sometimes you will have issues with the product being rejected by the existing protection, but for the most part, it plays well with most products. Also, if you use a "Wash-n-Wax" type soap, this is not compatible with Bead Maker and can cause streaking.

From my perspective, I have not had streaking issues with Bead Maker.

Excessive Product Usage - yes, you will blow through Bead Maker, especially if you are going for the heavy application method. But it's not excessively expensive, and I have found usage to be on par with other drying aid options.

Clogging Towels - this can be a thing, as in the towel becomes hydrophobic. This is especially so if you don't wash the towels soon enough after use. Rag's to Riches will mitigate this, as will washing them within an hour or two after use.



Pro's -

Gloss Enhancement - this is one of the glossiest products you can apply to your car. In fact, it will increase in gloss after its cured (two hours). The finish is a more wax-like "warm glow" compared to the sterile gloss enhancement Si02 products can create.

Slickness - Bead Maker creates a fantastically slick surface, in the most satisfying way!

Multi Surface Compatibility - can be used on paint, unpainted plastic trim, rubber trim, glass, wheels, engine bay, interior.................

The Scent - said to be a mango fragrance, the sweet scent is intoxicating.

Ease of Use - be that as a standalone application, or as a drying aid. Spray, wipe, buff. Done.

The User Experience - this is the combination of all the above. Easy to apply, the scent, the gloss, the slickness.........all combine to make using the product enjoyable.

I hope that explains why Bead Maker gets hate, for valid reasons. And I hope I have shown that sometimes that hate is from improper use, poor understanding or unrealistic expectations.



I also hope I have shown why I really like using Bead Maker too. There are sooooo many great products out there, if Bead Maker wasn't one of them, I wouldn't have continued to buy it.

These two video are worth watching. Granted, they are from, or feature, the people who designed the product, but the information is well presented.

[FTE217]

Legend DFB well presented.
I haven’t had a prob with Bead Maker as well.
Use as a drying aid topper.
I think it works well as one of the products I have used for drying aids.


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[bfets]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

This is a multilayered question that warrants a detailed response. This is not to discredit anyone but explain some of the reasoning with regards to Bead Maker. I really don't know how to structure this, so I may jump around a bit.



image



Firstly, humans are oddly critical of anything that is popular. In the detailing world specifically, I have noticed that certain products that have a lot of market recognition and popularity get labelled as a "fad" or "over hyped". They then tend to focus on the negatives, to the point where the good points get overshadowed. It's this mentality and small talk that stopped me from trying Bead Maker earlier.



In regard to Sandro's review of Bead Maker, this is a valid and well executed test of the product. He highlights both pros and cons but does so from the view of a professional detailer, where certain user experience aspects tend to be not as important. He is absolutely correct in questioning the naming of the product in relation to the physical properties it exhibits.







Because of that popularity, and subsequent critique, I feel people don't understand what Bead Maker is and what it isn't capable of. A lot of people are not applying it correctly or improperly. Bead Maker is a polymer paint sealant. It does contain a very small amount of "ceramic" or Si02, but not enough for P&S to call it a ceramic spray sealant. As such, longevity is not it's strong point..............although that is down to application technique.



There are two main ways to apply Bead Maker; one is the recommendation from P&S themselves, the other is the adopted application method.



- Method one involves an extremely heavy initial application. Applied as such, you should see the longevity from the product that P&S suggest, about 2-3 months. This method involves applying to bare paint, as in a standalone paint sealant.



But, most people don't apply it that way, do they?



- Method two is how detailers have adopted Bead Maker, as in a drying aid or topper to an existing ceramic coating, wax or sealant. P&S did not intend Bead Maker to be a drying aid, but it certainly works very well as one. But when you think about it, this is a spray and wipe type of action, as such you are simply not applying enough to achieve a long-lasting effect, not to mention applying it on top of another product.



image



That does not mean you can't use Bead Maker as a topper or drying aid, in fact P&S made sure that it would play well with a variety of different waxes, sealants and coatings. But what it does show is that people are expecting too much from the product.



From my point of view, I use Bead Maker as a drying aid for the gloss and slickness it imparts. The scent is also a delightful element too. If that gloss washes off at the next wash, then so be it, I already have a base layer of "protection" and I always use a drying aid anyway, so what's the problem?



Another thing I want to address is the name and branding. Bead Maker implies a high beading finish, and in a way that is correct, perhaps not as you would expect. However, those beads are actually the ones it creates as you spray it onto the paint, something that has been confirmed a few times by P&S (I wish I could find those references). So, the name is a bit deceptive, and hence people give it stick for not acting like a ceramic coating. Also, the claim of a "long lasting finish" is again a touch overstated on P&S's part. In a technical sense, yes, it is a paint sealant, but its longevity is not anywhere near being "long lasting".



image



Bead Maker Pro's and Con's -



Cons -



Lack of Longevity - (see above)



Lack of Beading - correct, it doesn't bead exceptionally well. Something like NV Nova Jet will blow it out of the water.



Dusting - this is a known aspect of Bead Maker, more so in dry climates and most noticeable on darker colored cars. The way Bead Maker changes the surface tension of the paint doesn't necessarily "attract" dust, but rather "holds" onto dust.



If you are using a plush, high pile towel like the TRC Eagle Edgeless, this can increase the static charge, so switching to a lower pile towel like the FTW can help the matter. You can also apply a small amount of Paint Gloss, which has natural anti-static properties, after the Bead Maker application. I never bother.



In my case, I have only noticed "dusting" on my dark coloured cars, but not enough to avoid using it.



Streaking - this can actually occur to any paint protection or enhancement product. Again, misuse of the product is usually the cause. Try not to apply in the sun or on hot panels, a humid climate can be challanging too. Use two towels, one for the initial wipe and one for the final wipe. And sometimes you will have issues with the product being rejected by the existing protection, but for the most part, it plays well with most products. Also, if you use a "Wash-n-Wax" type soap, this is not compatible with Bead Maker and can cause streaking.



From my perspective, I have not had streaking issues with Bead Maker.



Excessive Product Usage - yes, you will blow through Bead Maker, especially if you are going for the heavy application method. But it's not excessively expensive, and I have found usage to be on par with other drying aid options.



Clogging Towels - this can be a thing, as in the towel becomes hydrophobic. This is especially so if you don't wash the towels soon enough after use. Rag's to Riches will mitigate this, as will washing them within an hour or two after use.



image



Pro's -



Gloss Enhancement - this is one of the glossiest products you can apply to your car. In fact, it will increase in gloss after its cured (two hours). The finish is a more wax-like "warm glow" compared to the sterile gloss enhancement Si02 products can create.



Slickness - Bead Maker creates a fantastically slick surface, in the most satisfying way!



Multi Surface Compatibility - can be used on paint, unpainted plastic trim, rubber trim, glass, wheels, engine bay, interior.................



The Scent - said to be a mango fragrance, the sweet scent is intoxicating.



Ease of Use - be that as a standalone application, or as a drying aid. Spray, wipe, buff. Done.



The User Experience - this is the combination of all the above. Easy to apply, the scent, the gloss, the slickness.........all combine to make using the product enjoyable.



I hope that explains why Bead Maker gets hate, for valid reasons. And I hope I have shown that sometimes that hate is from improper use, poor understanding or unrealistic expectations.







I also hope I have shown why I really like using Bead Maker too. There are sooooo many great products out there, if Bead Maker wasn't one of them, I wouldn't have continued to buy it.



These two video are worth watching. Granted, they are from, or feature, the people who designed the product, but the information is well presented.

Thanks for the well reasoned and detailed response as usual DFB. I think I'll get a 1L bottle of it and give it a go.
I was really ready to get some before , when I watched Sandros video and that made me pause purely because I don't want to mess up the good hydrophobic characteristics of 845.

It's not a expensive product, so no harm in giving it a go myself.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by bfets

Thanks for the well reasoned and detailed response as usual DFB. I think I'll get a 1L bottle of it and give it a go.
I was really ready to get some before , when I watched Sandros video and that made me pause purely because I don't want to mess up the good hydrophobic characteristics of 845.

It's not a expensive product, so no harm in giving it a go myself.

No harm in trying it. If for some reason you don't like it, then use it up on the wheels and glass.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by FTE217

haha welcome to the never ending process owning Black Daz.
Yer damn Henry lol.....

I was admiring the other day and commented to my son about full wraps in matt, a amg or something, he said no cleaning Dad.
Sure made me think yer thats not a bad method to the madness.
Save me on time and detailing products

Matt black in Australia, brilliant. I reckon all the maintenance would be on the hot oven faded interior.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Matt black in Australia, brilliant. I reckon all the maintenance would be on the hot oven faded interior.

that true !

[stannoplan]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

This is a multilayered question that warrants a detailed response. This is not to discredit anyone but explain some of the reasoning with regards to Bead Maker. I really don't know how to structure this, so I may jump around a bit.

Thanks DFB, really appreciate the effort you take to share your knowledge and experience.

[T3rminator]

Quick question re: polishing. The roof on the falcon started to fade, and I polished it with meguires ultimate compound, using a heavier pad. Came out real good, paint blended nicely with the rest of the car, but it started to fade again after 4-5 months. I was hoping it would last 12+ months.

Am I expecting too much from old paint? Can it be improved with another compound?

[stannoplan]

Interestingly, another Non Si02 polymer based sealant - Bowden's Bead Machine is a catalogue https://autobarn.com.au/ab/catalogue special at AutoBarn 2 for $44 - normally $36 for one. I like it because it is extremely long lasting (easy 6 months), super easy to use, has decent darkening and beading. It was one of my first proper spray sealants.

After I moved up to Mirch Bead King it got relegated to quick jobs for friends cars, rims and for loaning out for newbies to try. I coat the rims with it and top once a month with Wet Coat or Happy Endings by spraying into the stream of water into the rims. It stands up well to Megs Non Acid Cleaner.

Great value for money at $22 a bottle, got another 2 today for giveaways.

PS: I love watching the Sandro Bead Maker video and then one I found from Pan the Advertiser, $$ ;)

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by stannoplan

Interestingly, another Non Si02 polymer based sealant - Bowden's Bead Machine is a catalogue https://autobarn.com.au/ab/catalogue special at AutoBarn 2 for $44 - normally $36 for one. I like it because it is extremely long lasting (easy 6 months), super easy to use, has decent darkening and beading. It was one of my first proper spray sealants.



After I moved up to Mirch Bead King it got relegated to quick jobs for friends cars, rims and for loaning out for newbies to try. I coat the rims with it and top once a month with Wet Coat or Happy Endings by spraying into the stream of water into the rims. It stands up well to Megs Non Acid Cleaner.



Great value for money at $22 a bottle, got another 2 today for giveaways.



PS: I love watching the Sandro Bead Maker video and then one I found from Pan the Advertiser, $$ ;)

Might give that a go. Told my dad about the gyeon one after I bought it and used it, 2 days later 90% of the bottle was gone . Good product on immediate feel, but lasted about 3 months. I use the car daily and is parked outside so maybe that's not too bad. The bead looks like a good deal.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by stannoplan

Interestingly, another Non Si02 polymer based sealant - Bowden's Bead Machine is a catalogue https://autobarn.com.au/ab/catalogue special at AutoBarn 2 for $44 - normally $36 for one. I like it because it is extremely long lasting (easy 6 months), super easy to use, has decent darkening and beading. It was one of my first proper spray sealants.

After I moved up to Mirch Bead King it got relegated to quick jobs for friends cars, rims and for loaning out for newbies to try. I coat the rims with it and top once a month with Wet Coat or Happy Endings by spraying into the stream of water into the rims. It stands up well to Megs Non Acid Cleaner.

Great value for money at $22 a bottle, got another 2 today for giveaways.

PS: I love watching the Sandro Bead Maker video and then one I found from Pan the Advertiser, $$ ;)

Ha ha, Pan the Advertiser!

To be honest, I think there is a middle ground between Sandro's criticism and Pan's over the top brown nosing.

I held off buying Bead Maker because of the negativity, which was my loss. I would say try at least try it for yourself, don't read into the hype or negativity and form your own opinion of the product. I will say, naturally, people like different things.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Quick question re: polishing. The roof on the falcon started to fade, and I polished it with meguires ultimate compound, using a heavier pad. Came out real good, paint blended nicely with the rest of the car, but it started to fade again after 4-5 months. I was hoping it would last 12+ months.

Am I expecting too much from old paint? Can it be improved with another compound?

I'm guessing the clear coat is failing and is therefore being more prone to the ravages of UV. You will only have so many go's at polishing it from this point before going through it. Sorry.

[stannoplan]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Might give that a go. Told my dad about the gyeon one after I bought it and used it, 2 days later 90% of the bottle was gone . Good product on immediate feel, but lasted about 3 months. I use the car daily and is parked outside so maybe that's not too bad. The bead looks like a good deal.

I have been very happy with the Bead Machine, it gives good gloss and beads and is very resilient and you can coat everything. Its a great allrounder and is almost the easiest coating to put on. Check out local youtubers like Evolved Details and Focus On Detailing for some good tests and reviews. Most tests it outperforms everything for longevity. Bowden's have about 3 or 4 crackers in their range. Very impressed with Happy Endings, Boss Gloss, BM and the citrus cleaner.

[stannoplan]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

Ha ha, Pan the Advertiser!

To be honest, I think there is a middle ground between Sandro's criticism and Pan's over the top brown nosing.

I held off buying Bead Maker because of the negativity, which was my loss. I would say try at least try it for yourself, don't read into the hype or negativity and form your own opinion of the product. I will say, naturally, people like different things.

Absolutely, I believe in buy it and try it ;) My bottle comes tmrw so we can try it to see what its like, I live in Adelaide so summer is full of West Coast dust, I think it might be a winter gloss monster. How have you found the dusting?

Once you work out the Sandro is subcontracted by Waxit and NV and Pan works for the cash its quite funny, but Sandro is such quality. There are some good Aussie independents but I do like Jon from Forensic Details.

I dont understand why Mirch doesnt get much press and love, their gear is really good. Bead King is the best beads I have ever seen and their Neo Lite glass coating is still the best sheeting i have ever seen 18 months later.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

I'm guessing the clear coat is failing and is therefore being more prone to the ravages of UV. You will only have so many go's at polishing it from this point before going through it. Sorry.

Its fading. Whereas the bonnet has clear coat bubbling and peeling. The roof isn't at that stage....yet. I've only ever buffed it once. Might give it another go, and if it happens again, then I'll just leave it until spray time. Looked so nice when I did it the first time, took all of 10 minutes. Maybe I didn't buff it enough?

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Its fading. Whereas the bonnet has clear coat bubbling and peeling. The roof isn't at that stage....yet. I've only ever buffed it once. Might give it another go, and if it happens again, then I'll just leave it until spray time. Looked so nice when I did it the first time, took all of 10 minutes. Maybe I didn't buff it enough?

You probably did buff it enough. Even though it hasn't started to bubble or blister, the clearcoat is no longer able to withstand the effects of UV.

Polishing again may deliver an improvement, but ultimately, you are removing more of that failing clearcoat, so the slope is slippery from now on. So hitting it with something aggressive like Ultimate Compound and a heavy pad could end up being a step too far.

Just mentioning this so that you proceed with caution.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

You probably did buff it enough. Even though it hasn't started to bubble or blister, the clearcoat is no longer able to withstand the effects of UV.

Polishing again may deliver an improvement, but ultimately, you are removing more of that failing clearcoat, so the slope is slippery from now on. So hitting it with something aggressive like Ultimate Compound and a heavy pad could end up being a step too far.

Just mentioning this so that you proceed with caution.

ah k. Think I'll leave it then. Thanks for the warning. I do have a knack of making something worse by trying to make it better.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

ah k. Think I'll leave it then. Thanks for the warning. I do have a knack of making something worse by trying to make it better.

Try scaling back to something less aggressive and do a test spot to see what you can achieve.

Staying with Megs, look at Ultimate Polish. Otherwise, I love Carpro Reflect for a light finishing polish.

[DFB FGXR6]

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