Covid 19 -

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

We get The Australian, SMH and AFR on the weekends. Alternate Telegraph and SMH during the week. Watch ABC, 7, Al Jazeera, BBC, 9 but not 10 'cause rubbish station.

I find that a balanced media diet frees my mind from a predetermined position where I fly off the handle when someone presents an argument that I don't agree with. You should try it

You should try making your own news up, I have a ball doing this

I would have been the best CCP or USSR news personality, I think I'm gonna have to settle for being the B grade actor they employ to play the dodgy tradie on ACA.

I could be the dodgy tradie this week, next week the crappy houso neighbour then the week after that the annoying hoon driver - value for money, jack of all trades

[knight rider]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Facebook app: "We want to track where you go, what you buy, what other apps you have on your phone, who you talk to, what you click on, and who you're related to or friends with, and also bombard you with targeted advertisements based on algorithms so sublty sophisticated you'll think your phone is listening to you. In return, we'll let you share ****ty cat memes or read 'news' articles written by flat-earthers"

Everyone: SIGN ME UP

Government: "We'd like you to download this app so that we can track anonymised data that will help stop the spread of coronavirus"

Everyone: SOURCE CODE OR GTFO

Two wrongs don't make a right, your mum should have taught you that

No one's likes that about FB Google and lot so why like the Gov app and problem with the Gov app is Gov not the app, what they say and what they do is two different things. I have no plans of downloading it for now will see how well it goes for a bit first

[zipping]

Originally Posted by PooDog

And its still one of the most facked up countries in the world .....which the rest of the world seams to model themselves on?.... whatever happens over there

It's your right to be anti-american all you want.

Try being anti soviet in Russia back in the day.

Or If your Chinese and your publicly anti-China in Australia the government can and will fk up whatever family you have back in China.

The US is less fkd up than any other western country purely because it is still best placed to innovate and drive technology forward.

Criticise it all you want, but don't pretend you are not a direct beneficiary of the goodness of the US, cause you most certainly are.

[zipping]

One reason New York has such bad numbers is that Coumo sent so many infected patients back into nursing homes.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/01/cuomos...ex-gov-pataki/

In a rare swipe at his successor Friday night, Pataki called for an independent probe “so this never happens again.”

Pataki said the state Health Department should never have issued an edict requiring nursing homes to accept coronavirus virus patients into nursing home facilities filled with sick, elderly patients — the population most at risk from the killer COVID-19 bug.

Compounding the misguided policy, Pataki said, is that the nursing homes lacked the personal protective equipment or testing capability to isolate and contain the spread of COVID-19.

Pataki also said he was dumbfounded as to why infected patients were sent to nursing homes instead of “hundreds of unused beds” at the two temporary hospitals at the Javits Center and the Navy’s USNS Comfort hospital ship.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

We get The Australian, SMH and AFR on the weekends. Alternate Telegraph and SMH during the week. Watch ABC, 7, Al Jazeera, BBC, 9 but not 10 'cause rubbish station.

I find that a balanced media diet frees my mind from a predetermined position where I fly off the handle when someone presents an argument that I don't agree with. You should try it

These are news sources? They all sing in one accord off the Marxist propaganda sheet...

[russellw]

Ok. The US of A.

New York State has clearly been the worst hit. It has 27.6% of the cases in the country, 36.2% of the deaths but only 5.9% of the population.

New Jersey has 10.7% of the cases, 11.5% of the deaths and only 2.7% of the population.

Massachusetts is even for case and mortality percentages at 5.72% but has 2.1% of the population.

Conversely, California has 12% of the population but but 4.5% of cases and 3.2% of deaths.



In terms of case mortality rates, the States above the 5.8% average include Michigan (9.3%), Conneticut (8.1%) and New York (7.6%). At the other end of the scale, those below 3% include South Dakota (0.8%), Utah (0.98%) and Wyoming (1.21%).





When the number of cases per 100k of population is viewed, there is a huge disparity between the best and worst. The latter includes New York (1,500), Federal Prisons (1,384) and New Jersey (950) while the former includes Montana (42), Hawaii (44) and Alaska (50).





Likewise, deaths per 100k of population is equally wide ranging with New York (125), New Jersey (86.6) and Connecticut (65.6) amongst the worst while Alaska (1.22), Wyoming (1.23) and Montana (1.47) are at the better end.





Alaska and Hawaii are in almost total lockdown including schools. California and New Jersey are also in lockdown but only since March 19th and Connecticut followed suit a week later. Montana went into lockdown earlier than most and has since extended the duration and severity of the lockdown. Wyoming, however, is the edge case as they have largely remained open with the only closures being schools but it's also a sparsely populated State which has no doubt helped.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by russellw

Australia recorded 16 new cases yesterday but no deaths so the CMR dropped to 1.371% and the active case percentage dropped to 13.3%.

New Zealand had 6 new cases and one death so the CMR rises to 1.347% while active cases drops to 14.1%.

The UK was under 5k new cases and just over 600 deaths so the CMR improved slightly to 15.435% but active cases climbed to 84.3%.

The USA had more than 36,000 new cases but under 2,000 deaths so both the CMR and active case percentage improved to 5.814% and 79.9% respectively. The USA now has almost a third of all cases globally (33.29%) and more than a quarter of the death toll (27.5%).

Europe is probably going to pass the 1.5M case mark by early next week and while a lot of countries are gaining ground, some continue to struggle.

Around Australia, NSW had 5 new cases, Victoria 7 and Queensland had 1 but the NT, which hadn't had a case in 25 days, recorded 2 new cases.

Russ, there was a death yesterday at the Newmarch Nursing home.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-...house/12209658

[Romulus]

Anyone read this article from The Daily Mail?
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/co...DailyTelegraph

[Cav]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

We can’t all just download our opinion out of the ABC news anchors mouth each night.

I assume your still sitting at home thinking gee wiz how unlucky are we to have had a bat virus transmit cross species in a fish market with no bats..

And then China to have been unaware of human to human transmission as they started shutting down travel across the country due to a random pneumonia as they started suppressing their state media, but decided not to inconvenience their citizens whom they show endless respect to by allowing them to travel to every major capital of the world.

Nah, I’m sure ABC and others would be all over this from the get go with their amazing investigative journos if anything suspicious was going on.

What we need in this thread is a big SARCASM sign for when people post tongue in cheek stuff.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Russ, there was a death yesterday at the Newmarch Nursing home.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-...house/12209658

Thanks. It hasn't shown up yet in the source I am using but each day closes at midnight GMT (so about 15:00 our time) and I'd expect it to be in the stats tomorrow.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by knight rider

Two wrongs don't make a right, your mum should have taught you that

No one's likes that about FB Google and lot so why like the Gov app and problem with the Gov app is Gov not the app, what they say and what they do is two different things. I have no plans of downloading it for now will see how well it goes for a bit first

Shouldn't you be out fishing or something?

[zipping]

Shoulda read down oops looking at SM's win sorry

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by superyob

These are news sources? They all sing in one accord off the Marxist propaganda sheet...

That's the silliest thing I've read today, so silly that I'm not going to bother replying...

Oh wait

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by knight rider

Two wrongs don't make a right, your mum should have taught you that

Yeah, but I see it as one wrong and one right. Mum was a teacher and taught me to make up my own mind

[prydey]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

We can’t all just download our opinion out of the ABC news anchors mouth each night.

I assume your still sitting at home thinking gee wiz how unlucky are we to have had a bat virus transmit cross species in a fish market with no bats..

And then China to have been unaware of human to human transmission as they started shutting down travel across the country due to a random pneumonia as they started suppressing their state media, but decided not to inconvenience their citizens whom they show endless respect to by allowing them to travel to every major capital of the world.

Nah, I’m sure ABC and others would be all over this from the get go with their amazing investigative journos if anything suspicious was going on.

In this age of connectivity and internet it would be virtually impossible to pull off some kind of conspiracy like people are suggesting China have done and then be able to keep it quiet all while fooling every expert that studies it.

Of all the experts that have studied this virus genetic code how many have come to the conclusion that it is man made or synthetic? Perhaps they have all been silenced?

It doesn't matter to the general populations of the countries around the world where the virus originated. We have it here so we just have to deal with it.

Questioning how the virus started or how it managed to be spread around doesn't make it any less real.

[Ross 1]

Originally Posted by Cav

What we need in this thread is a big SARCASM sign for when people post tongue in cheek stuff.

But if you put a sign on it how are you meant to claim that the really, really dumb statement you made a few days ago was sarcasm. Maybe you can make Trump a sarcasm sign to hold up during press conferences.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by zipping

It's your right to be anti-american all you want.

Try being anti soviet in Russia back in the day.

Or If your Chinese and your publicly anti-China in Australia the government can and will fk up whatever family you have back in China.

The US is less fkd up than any other western country purely because it is still best placed to innovate and drive technology forward.

Criticise it all you want, but don't pretend you are not a direct beneficiary of the goodness of the US, cause you most certainly are.

Im not anti -American ...it just amazes me when everyone switches procedures or policies to follow some poorly designed American system when you look how the reality of their systems work in their own l country

look how fair their health system is to poor people
their reaction to the pandemic
their daily mass shootings and inability to change the gun laws because they still want to be part of their own personal wild west movie

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Yeah, but I see it as one wrong and one right. Mum was a teacher and taught me to make up my own mind

Here’s the thing, I listen to smart people.

I listen to my family, educated friends, and public people I respect.

In general, the simple answer is the correct one.

Dumb people, and wackos spew conspiracy theories.

There are no conspiracies, just wackos that put them on the internet.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by russellw

Thanks. It hasn't shown up yet in the source I am using but each day closes at midnight GMT (so about 15:00 our time) and I'd expect it to be in the stats tomorrow.

Yes, I'd heard the passing was late in the afternoon, so, as you say, may show up as a death in tomorrow's stats.

AEST is 10 hours ahead of GMT (too many hours interpreting aviation weather reports, which are all in GMT). However, I expect there would be a lag between actual time of passing and when it was reported/recorded too, so therefore may not have made the reporting cut-off time.

Either way, another sad case for someone's family.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by prydey

In this age of connectivity and internet it would be virtually impossible to pull off some kind of conspiracy like people are suggesting China have done and then be able to keep it quiet all while fooling every expert that studies it.

Of all the experts that have studied this virus genetic code how many have come to the conclusion that it is man made or synthetic? Perhaps they have all been silenced?

It doesn't matter to the general populations of the countries around the world where the virus originated. We have it here so we just have to deal with it.

Questioning how the virus started or how it managed to be spread around doesn't make it any less real.

Who’s talking conspiracies?

I’m not suggesting it was deliberately released as a bio weapon, I’m sarcastically asking logical questions to what is being told to is is the official narrative?

Is Scomo a tinfoil hat because he is pressuring the UN to form an investigation?

The day we can’t question the media is a very dark day, perhaps we should just remove the press and have a offical state run media? No thanks.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Yes that’s clearly been on display.

Excellent, glad you agree

What's interesting is that even The Australian has said to put aside the political divide wedging for this one and just do it for the good of your fellow Australians.

[guzzis3]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

That's also the country that sprayed migrant workers with bleach and was beating people with sticks for being out of their houses

https://www.sbs.com.au/language/engl...id-19-lockdown

And don't forget the forced sterilizations....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Em..._sterilization

It is breathtakingly astounding how determined some of you are to convince us of how ignorant and stupid you are.

That's a terrible sentence but I'm going to leave it there.

It is nothing short of hilarious reading your regurgitation of the ABC's America/Wealth/Catholic/White/Heterosexual hating propaganda.

I do not love America but I obviously know a lot more about the place than a lot of you do. You believe the utter garbage the media present ? Go overseas and look back over your shoulder at how we look to everyone else on the planet. OUR government, OUR tourists, OUR extremists, OUR businesses.

Understand their health system before you slag it off. Understand their motivation for their politics before you slag it off. Understand the cultural variations across the country before you lump them all in together. Are they perfect ? No. Are we ?? f no. They do things differently to us, some are better some worse mostly they are just different, as different as the French or the Norwegians.

Educating yourselves does not mean watching fing TV docos or reading opinions on SM.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Anyone read this article from The Daily Mail?

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/co...DailyTelegraph

Is this good or bad for us? Reads like we participated and sponsored the research.
But it reads like the same thing being said for the past few weeks but in a different way. I find it amazing how they can have all this intel, yet didn't know there was a virus that was human transmittable.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by guzzis3

And don't forget the forced sterilizations....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Em..._sterilization

It is breathtakingly astounding how determined some of you are to convince us of how ignorant and stupid you are.

That's a terrible sentence but I'm going to leave it there.

It is nothing short of hilarious reading your regurgitation of the ABC's America/Wealth/Catholic/White/Heterosexual hating propaganda.

I do not love America but I obviously know a lot more about the place than a lot of you do. You believe the utter garbage the media present ? Go overseas and look back over your shoulder at how we look to everyone else on the planet. OUR government, OUR tourists, OUR extremists, OUR businesses.

Understand their health system before you slag it off. Understand their motivation for their politics before you slag it off. Understand the cultural variations across the country before you lump them all in together. Are they perfect ? No. Are we ?? f no. They do things differently to us, some are better some worse mostly they are just different, as different as the French or the Norwegians.

Educating yourselves does not mean watching fing TV docos or reading opinions on SM.

Now that’s a rant! I had to wipe the rabid foam from my glasses

Not sure I understood a word of it but world class nonetheless. Points deducted for not mentioning Nazis, but 9/10.


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[cheap]

What’s up with Sweden (did I hear you ask).

Depending on who you ask, they are either fools or they’re prepared to look death in the eye (alcohol is optional)!

The truth seems to be...

There is no provision in the Swedish constitution that allows the imposition of a state of emergency during peacetime crisis. There are, however, provisions to do so if there is a war. As coronavirus is a health crisis and is not literally a war, Sweden cannot impose a state of emergency.

https://www.foreigner.fi/articulo/co...308005498.html

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Is this good or bad for us? Reads like we participated and sponsored the research.
But it reads like the same thing being said for the past few weeks but in a different way. I find it amazing how they can have all this intel, yet didn't know there was a virus that was human transmittable.

It's bad for us I believe. We're part of the 5 eyes group, it's unimaginable our intelligence agencies didn't know what was going on. It was discussed in 2014/15 to stop further research as reached by consensus of the scientific community, unless the intent was to further develop it to create a pandemic. Well guess what, some 5 years on and this is exactly what has happened.

China is rightfully ****ed off about an investigation some might say, because the US and AUS aren't interested in looking in their own back yard as to the origin of this virus.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Is this good or bad for us? Reads like we participated and sponsored the research.
But it reads like the same thing being said for the past few weeks but in a different way. I find it amazing how they can have all this intel, yet didn't know there was a virus that was human transmittable.

Like I said, Wackos will spew their rubbish on the internet.

Smart people will filter this and form their own opinions.

The simple answer is the believable one, the wacko one is not 👍

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by prydey

In this age of connectivity and internet it would be virtually impossible to pull off some kind of conspiracy like people are suggesting China have done and then be able to keep it quiet all while fooling every expert that studies it.

Correct. They couldn't even keep the censoring of doctors in the initial outbreak under wraps. Word got out immediately.

Furthermore, they released the doctors afterwards, which was a really strange move if you wanted to do a complete cover up?

[Fordman1]

This is the world of Wacko conspiracy theories being post here and everywhere ��

The problem is dumb people believe this rubbish “because it’s on the internet”.

[Work Horse]

“Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.”