Wikileaks discussion - Page 9

irlewy86 · 15-12-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnaby

I wouldn't call the current ruling government in Sweden (Moderate Party) ultra liberal. I would argue that some of their recent policies have come from a distinct lean to the right. Assange is safer in England in my opinion.

Maybe thats where the current pressure to extradite from England to Sweden is coming from. But the judicial hurdles to get him from Sweden to the US would be much tougher.

If the US ever bring charges against him and get him extradited. His defence team will be throwing around Supreme court challenges like pink confetti at the Mardi Gras.

I think for the most part what is happening to him is "legit" but his profile is definitely making the wheels turn a lot faster/harder against him

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Originally Posted by fmc351

But, the Swedish matter is not necessarily some US underhanded act either. There may be a simpler explanation, and that is that the Prosecutrix in Sweden has a hardon for the type of case he is alleged to have committed there, or simpler still, there is likely some career mileage for her in pursuing Assange due to his infamy.

Lots of dinners and vigorous handshakes for that Prosecutrix, probably even a very sought after board position somewhere later in life when this is a distant memory.

WOTDAH · 15-12-2010, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fev

we know NOTHING of what our governments are actually up to..

You hit the nail on the head right there.

rodderz · 15-12-2010, 10:30 PM

Do some reading on the history of the Rockefeller family, that alone is enough to warrant Assange leaking this info and how their presence influences the US government and things that have happened. They have their fingers in every pie imagineable in America.

The benefitted from the civil war, started up the biggest oil company in the world (Standard Oil, which then got split up into the ones that are still around now such as Shell/Chevron, Mobil, Caltex), they started the currency in the US, have had roles in government, FBI, and have one of the largest banks in the world. If leaks can identify some dodgy dealings there, the place will get interesting.

Keepleft · 15-12-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rodderz

Do some reading on the history of the Rockefeller family, that alone is enough to warrant Assange leaking this info and how their presence influences the US government and things that have happened. They have their fingers in every pie imagineable in America.

The benefitted from the civil war, started up the biggest oil company in the world (Standard Oil, which then got split up into the ones that are still around now such as Shell/Chevron, Mobil, Caltex), they started the currency in the US, have had roles in government, FBI, and have one of the largest banks in the world. If leaks can identify some dodgy dealings there, the place will get interesting.

Just one set of 'players', many more, its all routine and will be so in conflict ahead.

fmc351 · 15-12-2010, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rodderz

Do some reading on the history of the Rockefeller family, that alone is enough to warrant Assange leaking this info and how their presence influences the US government and things that have happened. They have their fingers in every pie imagineable in America.

The benefitted from the civil war, started up the biggest oil company in the world (Standard Oil, which then got split up into the ones that are still around now such as Shell/Chevron, Mobil, Caltex), they started the currency in the US, have had roles in government, FBI, and have one of the largest banks in the world. If leaks can identify some dodgy dealings there, the place will get interesting.

Im not familiar with all you listed, however they are also responsible for Yellowstone National Park. And the nature of national parks today, in that they are not commercial, so its not all bad.

trippytaka · 16-12-2010, 12:57 AM

Most interesting thing I have heard recently is that he holds a trump card... a 50 year infrastructure plan for the US on foreign soil that he has not released yet. This includes "ports, PIPELINES, and military bases".

Anyone who has done reading into the reasons for going into the middle east knows that there is always a lot of discussion about a pipeline.

Anyway, I am keeping well out of this discussion on personal opinions. I have a strong opinion on the whole thing, but it also conflicts with my love of freedom and the reality that there has been corruption and secrets for as long as we have had governments.

BAxtER · 16-12-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by rodderz

Do some reading on the history of the Rockefeller family, that alone is enough to warrant Assange leaking this info and how their presence influences the US government and things that have happened. They have their fingers in every pie imagineable in America.The benefitted from the civil war, started up the biggest oil company in the world (Standard Oil, which then got split up into the ones that are still around now such as Shell/Chevron, Mobil, Caltex), they started the currency in the US, have had roles in government, FBI, and have one of the largest banks in the world. If leaks can identify some dodgy dealings there, the place will get interesting.

Too right! The Rockefellers, kissinger, cheney, rumsfield, bernanke...all are evil influential people for the American government. Wish wikileaks leaked some info on Kissinger. How that guy is not in jail beats the you know what out of me.

Jim Goose · 16-12-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by trippytaka

Most interesting thing I have heard recently is that he holds a trump card... a 50 year infrastructure plan for the US on foreign soil that he has not released yet. This includes "ports, PIPELINES, and military bases".

Anyone who has done reading into the reasons for going into the middle east knows that there is always a lot of discussion about a pipeline.

Anyway, I am keeping well out of this discussion on personal opinions. I have a strong opinion on the whole thing, but it also conflicts with my love of freedom and the reality that there has been corruption and secrets for as long as we have had governments.

If you look it up you will find that prior to the invasion of Afghanistan a particular oil company was in talks with the taliban government to build an oil and gas pipeline through the country. The Taliban could not garantee the safety of the pipeline as it did not control all of the country (the rest was run by warlords/ drug trade). The talks failed in 1999 i think.

Around 2002/2003 this pipeline was completed!.....

And if you remember around 2007/8 the then liberal defence minister actually said in parliament... that our aussie troops did a great job protecting this pipeline.... An uproar ensued and then it quickly was retracted and barely a murmour in the media.

But i wont draw any conclusions from this!

WMD351 · 16-12-2010, 08:10 PM

Pipeline, what pipeline?
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_d...p?q=1216405258

In somewhat more thread related news, it's reported today that Time Magazine went with the Facebook Man of the Year only after rejecting the popular vote which went to Assange. I suppose they don't want to be painting JA in a positive light in the U.S at the moment.

Hard to believe that while he's been locked up he's been denied access to any letters and any of the legal paperwork regarding the case against him .

Somewhat ironic to see Rudd standing up for him, but then again if there's anyone who likes a good leak...

Jim Goose · 17-12-2010, 03:01 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...17/3096032.htm

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WikiLeaks broke no Australian laws

Updated 46 minutes ago

The Australian Federal Police (AFP) says it has not found any breaches of Australian law by Julian Assange's WikiLeaks organisation.

"The AFP has completed its evaluation of the material available and has not established the existence of any criminal offences where Australia would have jurisdiction," the force said in a statement released today.

"Where additional cables are published and criminal offences are suspected, these matters should be referred to the AFP for evaluation."

Attorney-General Robert McClelland says it was "prudent" for the Government to have referred the matter to the AFP.

Mr Assange, who is wanted for questioning on sexual assault charges in Sweden, was freed on bail by the High Court in London overnight.

He is now at a friend's country house in Suffolk, where he must live until the start of his extradition hearing on February 7.

Mr Assange has denied the Swedish charges against him and his legal team have said they are worried about the possibility of him being extradited to face possible espionage charges in the US.

WikiLeaks is currently releasing around 250,000 US diplomatic cables which have caused major embarrassment for the US and some of its allies.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard has previously condemned Mr Assange's actions, calling them "illegal".

But she later moderated her language, saying it was the theft of the US cables that was the illegal act, while Mr Assange's role was "grossly irresponsible".

Meanwhile, Defence Minister Stephen Smith says a Defence taskforce has found WikiLeaks cables about Iraq released earlier in the year did not damage the national security interest.

Earlier this year WikiLeaks released batches of documents relating to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Defence had already said the leaked documents on Afghanistan did not damage Australia's interests.

wrongwaynorris · 22-12-2010, 11:03 AM

What an absolutely hypocritical XXXXing Germ this XXXXwit is .

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/w...ctim-of-leaks/

Jim Goose · 22-12-2010, 11:58 AM

I love "short and too the point" comments..... you laid out your arguement quite well.

fmc351 · 22-12-2010, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

What an absolutely hypocritical XXXXing Germ this XXXXwit is .

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/w...ctim-of-leaks/

Only if you consider all leaks to be the same. Wikileaks isnt leaking anything that involves a current investigation by a court system, nor anything top secret. Its basically communications between officials.

The leaks he is referring too impair his right to a fair trial, and that is something that should worry everyone.

Jim Goose · 22-12-2010, 03:47 PM

Considering the fact that the USA is also again considering retrospective law in order to be able to charge him with a crime because simply put they cant charge him with anything is now becoming a worry.

If it happens it will be the 2nd time that retrospective law is created in order to charge someone with a crime by the USA.

Think of the implications of this?

Basically they are saying that if they dont like you or what youve done they will simply make up a law out of the blue and charge you with it.... if this doesnt ring alarm bells what will?

So far we have seen what appears to be trumped up charges, his name appearing on the WORLDS MOST WANTED LIST despite the fact he HASNT been charged with a crime. He has also been put into jail WITHOUT charges for 3 weeks and now must wear a tracking bracelet.. and people are calling him a hypocrit??

fmc351 · 22-12-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Goose

Considering the fact that the USA is also again considering retrospective law in order to be able to charge him with a crime because simply put they cant charge him with anything is now becoming a worry.

If it happens it will be the 2nd time that retrospective law is created in order to charge someone with a crime by the USA.

Think of the implications of this?

Basically they are saying that if they dont like you or what youve done they will simply make up a law out of the blue and charge you with it.... if this doesnt ring alarm bells what will?

So far we have seen what appears to be trumped up charges, his name appearing on the WORLDS MOST WANTED LIST despite the fact he HASNT been charged with a crime. He has also been put into jail WITHOUT charges for 3 weeks and now must wear a tracking bracelet.. and people are calling him a hypocrit??

It also defeats the purpose of laws. That is one reason courts are loathe to act on retrospective criminal laws, they wont do it here. You cant ensure you live within the law, if the law is able to go back in time and make a legal act, illegal.

Think about it. Imagine if they could change the speed limit after youve driven the road. Lets say a road has a limit of 100, and they change it to 60, and then look over old footage of point to point cameras and ping everyone who did 100 for the previous 6 months.

Or imagine if on June 30 2010, they changed tax rates to 50% for all incomes dating back to July 1 1990. You'd could be in debt to the tax dept for 20 yrs of back taxes.

pulpist · 23-12-2010, 06:01 AM

I love America.

The CIA has launched the WikiLeaks Task Force

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

Ben73 · 23-12-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

What an absolutely hypocritical XXXXing Germ this XXXXwit is .

http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/w...ctim-of-leaks/

There is a difference between leaking personal information about individuals, and leaking info about governments, or other large organizations that are ripping people off.

I didn't think the point of wikileaks was to defame individuals?

wrongwaynorris · 23-12-2010, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

There is a difference between leaking personal information about individuals, and leaking info about governments, or other large organizations that are ripping people off.

I didn't think the point of wikileaks was to defame individuals?

You are kidding are'nt you ? Do as I say not as I do or in this germs case dont do as I do but do as I selectively say . You cant have it both ways . Pathetic , truly pathetic . Snivelling little maggot deserves all he gets .

fmc351 · 23-12-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

You are kidding are'nt you ? Do as I say not as I do or in this germs case dont do as I do but do as I selectively say . You cant have it both ways . Pathetic , truly pathetic . Snivelling little maggot deserves all he gets .

Its like comparing a neighbour who has an issue with your exhaust note calling the cops all the time, and you calling the cops because some clown is breaking into a neighbours house. Theyre not the same thing, despite the similarity.

He is exposing lies and underhandedness of elected officials and their departments, something that is your business if you want to know. They are damaging his right to a fair trial which is no-ones right even if they want to know.

Jim Goose · 23-12-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

You are kidding are'nt you ? Do as I say not as I do or in this germs case dont do as I do but do as I selectively say . You cant have it both ways . Pathetic , truly pathetic . Snivelling little maggot deserves all he gets .

And you still miss the point and not reply to the points made beforehand....

My poor XF · 23-12-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Goose

And you still miss the point and not reply to the points made beforehand....

Give up mate your just

You and others have made logical and thought out statements that will continue to fall by the wayside.

**ebxr8240** · 23-12-2010, 11:01 PM

Didn't U.S and other nations condemn China for editing Google ???
Hmmm ???
The U.S pollies behind banks and the money that went to them...
Ahh yes please tell ....

Barnaby · 23-12-2010, 11:08 PM

Looks like someone still hasn't had their nap...

Bobman · 24-12-2010, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

You are kidding are'nt you ? Do as I say not as I do or in this germs case dont do as I do but do as I selectively say . You cant have it both ways . Pathetic , truly pathetic . Snivelling little maggot deserves all he gets .

Lol. Afraid that your secrets are going to come out?

Former worker at Canberra?

Jim Goose · 24-12-2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobman

Lol. Afraid that your secrets are going to come out?

Former worker at Canberra?

Worker and Canberra.... an oxymoron...
Like Military and Intelligence.....

Road Games · 24-12-2010, 10:49 AM

Is this still going .................................................. ......... snore.

BAxtER · 24-12-2010, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by My poor XF

Give up mate your just

You and others have made logical and thought out statements that will continue to fall by the wayside.

Too right! It makes no sense to call someone names who imo, is doing everything he can to show the people of the world what these corrupt government are doing.

superyob · 31-12-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

Julian Assange is a grand standing XXXXker and if what he has ILLEGALLY released leads to one persons death he should be executed . Look at Me Look at Me look at Me grandstanding XXXXker .

I totally agree. Assange is a pompous, self important windbag who claims to have some sort of right to distribute information he aquired through dubious means.

Jim Goose · 31-12-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by superyob

I totally agree. Assange is a pompous, self important windbag who claims to have some sort of right to distribute information he aquired through dubious means.

So the thread goes quiet and you decide to add what to the discussion?
Seriously ?
If your idea of discussion is to insult or degrade someone without even having a go at explaining why you disagree with him then why bother posting??

RG · 08-01-2011, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Goose

So the thread goes quiet and you decide to add what to the discussion?
Seriously ?
If your idea of discussion is to insult or degrade someone without even having a go at explaining why you disagree with him then why bother posting??

Everyone is entitled to their opinion of him, even if that differs from your own.

You can now ask Mr Assange anything too!
http://www.askthewikileaksguy.com