Ranger V6 argument

XR Martin · 17-05-2023, 02:18 PM

Got someone at work who just started with us and used to work in at a Ford dealership.
She is claiming black and blue that the V6 in the Ranger is the VW motor.
I know she's wrong, but I need something to prove it unequivocally.
Ive shown her a few online articles but she still doesn't believe it.

She claims she went to a Ford dealership conference where a VW executive said the engine was theirs.

**FTE217** · 17-05-2023, 02:22 PM

Haha where’s the popcorn

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Citroënbender · 17-05-2023, 02:23 PM

Why not agree with her? It will be more fun in the long term.

roKWiz · 17-05-2023, 02:36 PM

Didn't they use a GM V6....

Citroënbender · 17-05-2023, 02:45 PM

If you take the number plate off, there’s a hole for the crank handle, just like on the Anorak.

Itsme · 17-05-2023, 03:10 PM

This may shut her up but again being a woman, they know best, but be aware these engines are also available to the Amorak

https://www.news24.com/life/motoring...anger%20models.

https://www.chasingcars.com.au/news/...-release-date/

roKWiz · 17-05-2023, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Itsme

This may shut her up, but be aware they are also available to the Amorak

https://www.news24.com/life/motoring...anger%20models.

https://www.chasingcars.com.au/news/...-release-date/

Well that ruined what could have been a great thread.

Bossxr8 · 17-05-2023, 03:31 PM

It's a proprietary Ford engine, built in the Dagenham engine plant in the UK, and also on a new production line in South Africa.

It's essentially the Lion V6 diesel used by Jaguar/Land Rover, when they were owned by Ford and for a number of years later until they introduced their own Ingenium engines.

It's an evolution of the 2.7 used in the Territory.

TasRanger · 17-05-2023, 04:24 PM

^^X2 its an evolution of the Lion Engine originally developed by Peugeot or one of those french brands. Ford most recently used it in the F150 in the US where it wasn't that popular - the internet suggests due to its small capacity (by US standards).

I had it in my Range Rover Sport - it went well but had numerous problems. Hopefully a new crankshaft and other improvements have sorted these out. Like anything though, time will tell.

boss351290 · 17-05-2023, 06:06 PM

Don’t they snap the crankshaft in half??? Hopefully they have sorted that problem out. A weak journal in the centre

**DFB FGXR6** · 17-05-2023, 06:15 PM

Similar argument to those who think the 5-cylinder in the previous generation was a Volvo engine. I even had someone tell me yesterday that his sons Ranger has the 5-cylinder engine, the "same one they used in the Mercedes vans".

Citroënbender · 17-05-2023, 06:42 PM

The Benz loose injector special?

TasRanger · 17-05-2023, 07:00 PM

There's a recent YouTube that uses the f150 crank in a disco4 that suffered a broken crank.

There are many theories about why they break including poor oil supply, bearing design etc. In this example it appears that poor metallurgy may have been the cause. The cranks are now forged which hopefully solves this issue.

I do hope that when it comes to replacing the injector pump belt it isn't a body off job like the discovery 3/4 etc.

XR Martin · 17-05-2023, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It's a proprietary Ford engine, built in the Dagenham engine plant in the UK, and also on a new production line in South Africa.

It's essentially the Lion V6 diesel used by Jaguar/Land Rover, when they were owned by Ford and for a number of years later until they introduced their own Ingenium engines.

It's an evolution of the 2.7 used in the Territory.

Pretty much exactly what I told her, but she wouldn't have a bar of it.
She even said she'd ring someone in the Ford dealership to confirm it. Wouldn't surprise me that he'd be as adamant as her.

naddis01 · 17-05-2023, 07:49 PM

Some of the changes when the Lion changed to powerstroke for the F150...

A revised, forged-steel crankshaft, upgraded main and rod bearings and higher peak injection pressure make the engine more durable, cleaner and potentially more fuel efficient.

Other parts of the Ford engine are entirely new, like the block, EGR system, and a different fuel system.

**Fordman1** · 17-05-2023, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Got someone at work who just started with us and used to work in at a Ford dealership.
She is claiming black and blue that the V6 in the Ranger is the VW motor.
I know she's wrong, but I need something to prove it unequivocally.
Ive shown her a few online articles but she still doesn't believe it.

She claims she went to a Ford dealership conference where a VW executive said the engine was theirs.

I’d like to know what her job was ….

She’s completely wrong, or just making stuff up .

b0son · 17-05-2023, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

She’s completely wrong, or just making stuff up .

Must have been in marketing then...

FERG_51 · 17-05-2023, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by XR Martin

Pretty much exactly what I told her, but she wouldn't have a bar of it.
She even said she'd ring someone in the Ford dealership to confirm it. Wouldn't surprise me that he'd be as adamant as her.

Get her to ask one of the mechanics at the dealership, the only ones that would know as it is pretty obvious it is a newer version of the Territory engine.

Bossxr8 · 18-05-2023, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by boss351290

Don’t they snap the crankshaft in half??? Hopefully they have sorted that problem out. A weak journal in the centre

Only on Land Rovers. By the time the engine made it into the Territory it was solved. Or at least, the problem was unique to Land Rover.

TasRanger · 18-05-2023, 11:28 AM

Like this territory https://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11489563

While looking to replace seized disco3 engines in 2018/19, I saw at least two 2.7 territorys in wreckers with seized engines.

Not big numbers, but it has happened.

Bossxr8 · 18-05-2023, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TasRanger

Like this territory https://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11489563

While looking to replace seized disco3 engines in 2018/19, I saw at least two 2.7 territorys in wreckers with seized engines.

Not big numbers, but it has happened.

Spun bearing isn't a broken crank though is it. And a spun bearing is an oil supply, blockage issue usually. Without seeing a service history, it's hard to know whether it was caused by lack of.

Plenty of info suggests the Land Rover issues may stem from the high km service intervals they had.

TasRanger · 18-05-2023, 12:05 PM

A spun bearing is common on the 2.7 disco3. If it gets run for too long the crank breaks. Most times it's too hard to tell what came first. But lots of examples of both on the disco3 uk forum and the aulro forum here.

You could wiggle the belt pulley about a 1/4 of a rotation with nothing happening at the flex plate with the two 2.7 territory engines I looked at.

There's always more to this. The discovery owners speculate the territory engines have fewer problems due to the vehicles being about 1000kgs lighter.

simon varley · 18-05-2023, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

I’d like to know what her job was ….

selling window tints and upholstery protection

Dr Smith · 18-05-2023, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TasRanger

A spun bearing is common on the 2.7 disco3. If it gets run for too long the crank breaks. Most times it's too hard to tell what came first. But lots of examples of both on the disco3 uk forum and the aulro forum here.

You could wiggle the belt pulley about a 1/4 of a rotation with nothing happening at the flex plate with the two 2.7 territory engines I looked at.

There's always more to this. The discovery owners speculate the territory engines have fewer problems due to the vehicles being about 1000kgs lighter.

Do Disco's weigh over 3100kg?