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Old 11-08-2010, 05:59 PM   #1
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when the car is driven a bit hard i soda lose braking for a little bit i run Slotted and crossed drilled rotors (brakes are S1) with some good pads

so what id like to know is how to vamp up the vacuum

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More vacuum wont help, hard driving is heating up the pads & rotors causing them to fade, S1 while adequate for day to day stuff really improve with the premo or BA upgrade also check your fluid for discolouration it may be time for a flush as this will also overheat and cause problems
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Wow, 4 words I didnt think Woosha would type " improve with Ba upgrade " lol...
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S1 brake booster has a reputation for leaking and then totally letting go.I lost all brakes 2 times with second hand units. I recomend you dont muck around and get it checked. If you hear a slight hissing sound when you press the brake pedal dont drive the car.The booster is shot
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Looks like that brake upgrade will be coming sooner than you thought....
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when the car is driven a bit hard i soda lose braking for a little bit i run Slotted and crossed drilled rotors (brakes are S1) with some good pads

so what id like to know is how to vamp up the vacuum
I ran those rotors & pads at Heathcote with no issues. They're suited for the track. How hard are you driving it lol. Only time I ever had vac issues in that was when it ran in factory. Is the car dropping in RPM's or is it only brake loss? Check booster and what about that small leak in the line? Might be worth re-checking it maybe?
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umm it seems fine it just when theres alot of heat like if i was to slam on the braks at 100k's without fethering the brakes id allmost stop working its just a worry iv got im just trying to fix everything so its all good so i dont have any probs later on....


it maybee because its in factory tune but i donnno it did it the other day i was like :o thats not right but its been good as gold every other time

the car seems do have good RPM's i checked the booster and it looks fine the small leak hasent chaged its a pin ***** not enuf to worry i was told
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dude, if you ran out of vacuum assistance to the brake booster you'd just end up with a rock hard brake pedal, but you'd be able to stop fine.

if your foot is going to the floor and she ain't locking up the wheels, seek help now, do not drive the car, that'd be being a danger to yourself and everyone else on the road.

as others have said, if the brake booster itself is shot, get a new one. or an AUII/III (proper) one, or do a BA upgrade.
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dude, if you ran out of vacuum assistance to the brake booster you'd just end up with a rock hard brake pedal, but you'd be able to stop fine.

if your foot is going to the floor and she ain't locking up the wheels, seek help now, do not drive the car, that'd be being a danger to yourself and everyone else on the road.

as others have said, if the brake booster itself is shot, get a new one. or an AUII/III (proper) one, or do a BA upgrade.

she whent hard i still had brakeing but not like i would normaly have

i think its another combo of thing heat and it being ****** s1 brakes

is there a code or something for the bossters because the one thats in the car looks brand new and its got all the stickers on it
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Few things.

1. Whoosha first mentioned "premo" (meaning premo AU bits) before the BA upgrade comment! LOL!

2. What series is the white AU?

If that's 2-3, then do the brake conversion using those bits. You'll have everything you need, perhaps except maybe wanting to get some slotted rotors (if you didn't already have them on the white AU) and some new pads to match.

3. If the white AU is a S1, then keep the brake booster for a spare. Just in case it is on the way out.

4. Get it sorted pretty quick Andrew. I had a brake failure earlier this year with the family in the car and I thank the Good Lord that I was only doing 40kmph or so!

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all brake boosters look brand new. it'll probably have a date code on the stickers if you look, and i bet the date code is in excess of a decade ago
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Few things.

1. Whoosha first mentioned "premo" (meaning premo AU bits) before the BA upgrade comment! LOL!

2. What series is the white AU?

If that's 2-3, then do the brake conversion using those bits. You'll have everything you need, perhaps except maybe wanting to get some slotted rotors (if you didn't already have them on the white AU) and some new pads to match.

3. If the white AU is a S1, then keep the brake booster for a spare. Just in case it is on the way out.

4. Get it sorted pretty quick Andrew. I had a brake failure earlier this year with the family in the car and I thank the Good Lord that I was only doing 40kmph or so!

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Get them sorted quick Andrew, message me if you want me to get a price for the upgrade!!!!

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I overheated my brakes a few months ago and had to resort to a handbrake stop to avoid hitting a speed hump at 60kph lol
but yeah 100kph brake fade sounds like you need to relax a bit Andrew lol :P
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Could be stuck callipers, though they tend to not go in pairs, so you'd get it pulling one way or the other as well.
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If it is just brake fade, then ease up a little on the braking...
don't slam em on before corners, slow down gradually....
If it's not brake fad then we'll go see about an upgrade man...!
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Hey peolwykeeeeee, I just spoke to the guy..
He'll have a full S2/3 brake upgrade ready to go in about 2 weeks...!!
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I overheated my brakes a few months ago and had to resort to a handbrake stop to avoid hitting a speed hump at 60kph lol
but yeah 100kph brake fade sounds like you need to relax a bit Andrew lol :P
I'm inclined to agree with you. I don't think it's the booster but then I'm fairly sure that booster is original so could be a valve issue or whatever. And I don't think there's anything wrong with the pads or rotors. I think the problem is Andrew's driving (hard braking) and thinking he's running on Brembos lol. I'm not having a dig. The reason I suspect that is because Andrew always preferred the braking on the Fairmont over the white AU. And yeah they were better but at the end of the day, it's S1. Maybe he just pushes the Fairmont a little harder coz he knows it holds up better when comparing but really..... (ummm for example Andrew, the Werribee Sth issue lol)


Just do the upgrade already. You know you wanna lol.
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ok give me a price it needs to be done .....
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I'll give you a buzz with a price mate...!!!
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ok cool just S2/S3 upgrade or BA dont worry about tickys/premos cost 2 much ill be gessing
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yeah no worries mate....
I'll get a price for the whole kit for ya..
If he's got ticky one's there I'll ask about the price on them, just incase it surprises us...haha
Will stop a whole lot better once the upgrade is done man...
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dose it come with the Brake booster 2 or will i need to buy /upgrade mine
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Anyone know if the AU1 booster is the same as EF-EL?
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I don't know for sure but I think it is.

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Yes it certainly is. Changed back to a metal booster with the AU2 again.
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might aswell go the BA upgrade dude, there bigger than series 2 and if ur doing an upgrade might aswell go for one set better..
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yeah i was thinking the same thing going ba brakes would be the better way to go
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