FGX XR6 Vs VF SV6 and the winner is ????

[Eaturbo]

Another win the the FGX http://www.carsales.com.au/reviews/2...T0yMCZObmU9MjA.

Not bad for a 6 year old model.

[Dave R]

Umm, they've just claimed the XR6 comes with satellite navigation and dual zone climate control. I was at Ford last week pricing an XR6T, the XR6 certainly does not come with those features. You can only get them as part of the luxury pack which is $4k, while sat nav is only standard on XR6T. The XR6 actually has far less features than the SV6 but they awarded it a win based on having more standard features? I think they might have got a luxury pack equipped car and thought it was standard.

[burnz]

manual v auto in a drag race?

[SensationFG8]

Why not, they did the same for GTS versus GTF

It's a shame they seem unable to get equivalent cars to test, it really reduces the credibility of the article.

Some of the things I found most interesting.

Pitted against each other on winding, narrow tarmac with a mix of flowing and tight bends as well as some lengthy straights, we found the XR6 generally the more settled and confidence-inspiring.

The Ford's hydraulic steering was quicker-responding – but not nervous – on centre and offered a well-weighted, communicative feel in all circumstances.

People were maligning Ford for sticking with Hydraulic, this is the second article I've read where they said they preferred it over the Holden Electronic system.

Against all these similarities there remains a distinctly dissimilar in-cabin experience: The XR6, particularly from a driver’s perspective, feels high and commanding from inside, where the SV6 is more low-set and embracing. One peers up and out from inside the Holden, where Falcon passengers are more loftily perched in their relationship with the world outside.

This translates to the driving position: Some drivers felt the Ford’s seat was too high and the steering wheel too low-set for comfort, while others thought the Holden was maybe a little too enclosing.

This is the best write up of seating position I've seen!

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by burnz

manual v auto in a drag race?

Pretty appalling review really. They've misquoted standard features, compared an auto XR6 to a manual SV6 in a drag race- granted the SV6 was still quicker but it's still not accurate. It's also the first time I've read a 50 to 70km/h acceleration split specifically mentioned mid-review, the Falcon was always going to win that because it had an auto box (they both shift to second at ~60km/h).

I'm all for Falcon scoring wins, but this review is dirty.

[1TUFFUTE]

I'm almost positive they did a misprint in their 'likes' column. Both second lines/points should be switched around.
-'Impressive standard features', should have gone to the sv6
-'Ride and handling', should have gone to the xr6

.....according to their review that is!

I too was interested in their abnormal take on the seating positions.....and the driving dynamic win to the ford over the vf super chasis...

Oh yeah I forgot to add. Looks wise I honestly think that sv6 and those wheels particularly, look faaaar inferior to the xr6 looks very nice. Those sv6s look like 4wds too....way to high....or maybe it's the big wheel arches I don't know!

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Umm, they've just claimed the XR6 comes with satellite navigation

Should be a dealer option seeing as all the hardware is there.

[R-Design]

Originally Posted by Eaturbo

Another win the the FGX http://www.carsales.com.au/reviews/2...T0yMCZObmU9MjA.



Not bad for a 6 year old model.

Isn't the Commodore older? VE came out in 2007 and FG 2008, lol.

[bigwil]

Originally Posted by R-Design

Isn't the Commodore older? VE came out in 2007 and FG 2008, lol.

VE came out 2006

[bobwm]

Review also says that they both have a 'load-through back seat'.

Did the VF introduce something other than that small ski port that VE had? Do the seats actually fold down?

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by bobwm

Review also says that they both have a 'load-through back seat'.

Did the VF introduce something other than that small ski port that VE had? Do the seats actually fold down?

No 60/40 split fold rear seat on VE/VF, Ski Port only. Was knocked on the head due to cost. Seems 1 Billion dollars wasn't enough

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

No 60/40 split fold rear seat on VE/VF, Ski Port only. Was knocked on the head due to cost. Seems 1 Billion dollars wasn't enough

Wouldn't surprise me that changing it would require a lot of work to the chassis.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Wouldn't surprise me that changing it would require a lot of work to the chassis.

Wasnt it a completely new chassis or lurking under that shell is there still a 1998 VT cleverly disguised??

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Wasnt it a completely new chassis or lurking under that shell is there still a 1998 VT cleverly disguised??

There would be more to it if it didn't happen and it was something that they wanted to put in.

[ivorya]

Media must be starting to feel as though they owe Ford some good press.

Ford have coped a caining from them since they trashed Mitsubishi out of Aus.

[XR Martin]

Commodore has never had folding seats, dunno if its a GM thing or its chassis has always been too floppy. It wasnt until the VT that they actually got full length rails along the floor, Falcon had them since EA.

Just going by driving them, the Falcon has always felt more rigid than its Holden counterpart up until the VE.

[XR Martin]

Example:

EF/EL floor



VR/VS Floor

[Struggo]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

No 60/40 split fold rear seat on VE/VF, Ski Port only. Was knocked on the head due to cost. Seems 1 Billion dollars wasn't enough

No need sir, we have a sportwagon.

[STINKY NINJA]

15.7secs 0-400 m for the xr6 seems at least .8 seconds too slow to me,from what ive heard most fg xr6 autos run high 14s stock,unless im off the mark?
Im only going off what ive read on this forum?
Seems off to me.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

15.7secs 0-400 m for the xr6 seems at least .8 seconds too slow to me,from what ive heard most fg xr6 autos run high 14s stock,unless im off the mark?
Im only going off what ive read on this forum?
Seems off to me.

Probably still equally bad drivers and or conditions on the day. Seemed slow to me aswell tho...

[2242100]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

15.7secs 0-400 m for the xr6 seems at least .8 seconds too slow to me,from what ive heard most fg xr6 autos run high 14s stock,unless im off the mark?
Im only going off what ive read on this forum?
Seems off to me.

I'm pretty sure MOTOR got a 14.8 and interestingly I recall the number for a 2 litre Falcon being 14.5 or 14.6 in a WHEELS test. Cool conditions and light driver.

[wicksy]

doesnt matter who writes the articles, they are all bull**** and people shouldnt believe what they write!

[XR Martin]

ZF I6 BFs were running mid/high 14s nearly ten years ago. (14.593)

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...rticleID=44733

[2242100]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

ZF I6 BFs were running mid/high 14s nearly ten years ago. (14.593)

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...rticleID=44733

The 154 end speed was pretty good.
Keep in mind though that dragstrip measured times will often be a few tenths lower than Magazine GPS measured times because of the up to around 15 inches of rollout (before the time count starts) that you can get with Falcon sized wheels at the dragstrip. Depends on whether the car is shallow or deep staged.
Whatever the case though, it was obviously a pretty good result.

[Silver Ghia]

I cant remember this comparison having been mentioned here.

http://www.carsguide.com.au/head-to-...20141205-30402

I love the "snorting beast" bit.

[mik]

Originally Posted by STINKY NINJA

15.7secs 0-400 m for the xr6 seems at least .8 seconds too slow to me,from what ive heard most fg xr6 autos run high 14s stock,unless im off the mark?
Im only going off what ive read on this forum?
Seems off to me.

Yeah, seems a bit slow , an AU 6 would be running that time

[OZQUAD44]

Originally Posted by Struggo

No need sir, we have a sportwagon.

yes you do, and a good bus it is. lucky for us we have the Territory!

Hows the Craptiva treating you boys?

[arronm]

Yeh it sucks ford not having a wagon. Unfortunately Holden really filled that hole

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by arronm

Yeh it sucks ford not having a wagon. Unfortunately Holden really filled that hole

Ford does have a Wagon. Falcon doesn't have a wagon.

[arronm]

True. But what are the options really