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Old 21-02-2007, 07:29 PM   #1
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Default Do you think Magna's are fast? No??

Well you might be in for a surprise, there are a lot of quick Magna's around.

I have been chatting with some Magna owners to see what they are doing with their cars and what times they have run, I thought you guys might like to read this.

So how fast are you Magna's

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Old 21-02-2007, 07:33 PM   #2
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moved here.

Magnas are magnas .. 'nuff said.
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Old 21-02-2007, 07:37 PM   #3
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there are some very quick magnas around. last time i was at the drags, i was talking to a guy who owned a 3 year old one. it had minimal mods, (but was a manual) and it ran a 14.5. I couldnt believe it, but then again, i ran a 13.8... hehe
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there are some very quick magnas around. last time i was at the drags, i was talking to a guy who owned a 3 year old one. it had minimal mods, (but was a manual) and it ran a 14.5. I couldnt believe it, but then again, i ran a 13.8... hehe

1. The words magna and very quick should never be used in the same sentence

2. The word "quick" is being thrown around all too loosely these days

3. I can't believe theres a magna forum
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Old 21-02-2007, 08:18 PM   #5
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Fagnas eh? :hihi:

Nah Magnas are really good cars. The one we hired for the Nats (Auto wagon) went quite hard, for what it was.
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Old 21-02-2007, 08:21 PM   #6
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Magna's are fast with mods, so is my falcon. The fact is that from the factory they are a nice, unoffensive car for people who don't care what they drive so long as its cheap and feels nice.
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Old 21-02-2007, 08:22 PM   #7
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Only 1 has run a 13 and it is twin turbo?
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cheap and feels nice, , just like a ford falcon ? ? ? ?
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cheap and feels nice, , just like a ford falcon ? ? ? ?
Yes very true, but one if a fagna i mean magna.
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When the TJ VRX manual was release it was a very fast car capable of doing the quarter mile in 15.0s sec. The ralliart versions were even faster capable of running high 14s. For stock NA 6cyl vehicles this is serious peformance - shaming many pre Boss/LS1 V8s.
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Old 21-02-2007, 08:35 PM   #11
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interesting read doogstar.
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Old 21-02-2007, 08:35 PM   #12
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When the TJ VRX manual was release it was a very fast car capable of doing the quarter mile in 15.0s sec. The ralliart versions were even faster capable of running high 14s. For stock NA 6cyl vehicles this is serious peformance - shaming many pre Boss/LS1 V8s.
Quite true, but they still give me a feeling they are whitegoods.

Nothing against them but they have the one thing that I despise in a car.. FWD.
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Old 21-02-2007, 08:36 PM   #13
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When the TJ VRX manual was release it was a very fast car capable of doing the quarter mile in 15.0s sec. The ralliart versions were even faster capable of running high 14s. For stock NA 6cyl vehicles this is serious peformance - shaming many pre Boss/LS1 V8s.
Lets get serious here. On the grand scale of things, 15.0 sec is not fast. They're not going to be shaming any properly driven LS1, or later model (185kW+) Holden 5.0 V8 or Windsor either. The mid 90s horrors that were XR8s and SS's would probably get eaten though.

For a stock N/A 6-cyl 15 sec isn't fast either. BMW M3 comes to mind, or just about any Porsche 911 over the past 30 years.... or even the 1989 Porsche 944 S2. 3.0 litre 4-cyl, n/a, 164kW, mid-low 14's. That's... well... lol.

Though I will say this... for a locally made, 6-cylinder, 30-40k family car, they went rather well. And still do. But as a sports/performance car, eh, no Magna ever was really.
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Old 21-02-2007, 08:43 PM   #14
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Please read the thread before you comment, dead stock V6 n/a they as least quick as dead stock Ford I6 n/a. Some manual VRX versions run 14.5 or 14.7 stock. One guy ran a 14 flat n/a, now he has fitted a supercharger and is expecting mid 13's.

One forced induction Magna ran a 11.98.

Not that I'm selling the Ford, but I was surprised how well the Magna's go.
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Old 21-02-2007, 08:47 PM   #15
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There is a guy near me with an AWD MAgna with a supercharged badge on the back and firggin Canterbury Bulldogs crap painted all over it.
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Old 21-02-2007, 08:49 PM   #16
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Lets get serious here. On the grand scale of things, 15.0 sec is not fast. They're not going to be shaming any properly driven LS1, or later model (185kW+) Holden 5.0 V8 or Windsor either. The mid 90s horrors that were XR8s and SS's would probably get eaten though.

For a stock N/A 6-cyl 15 sec isn't fast either. BMW M3 comes to mind, or just about any Porsche 911 over the past 30 years.... or even the 1989 Porsche 944 S2. 3.0 litre 4-cyl, n/a, 164kW, mid-low 14's. That's... well... lol.

Though I will say this... for a locally made, 6-cylinder, 30-40k family car, they went rather well. And still do. But as a sports/performance car, eh, no Magna ever was really.
You can't compare them to cars which are clearly out of their class.
That's like saying a Typhoon is slow because a Bugatti Veyron can do 250mph.
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You'd be suprised...

When the TJ VRX was released in 2000 there wasn't many 6cyls under 100K capable of catching it.

VRX article

This is a little extract about the 180kw Ralliart:

"For this is one helluva powerful car. In HSV "Commodore kilowatts" it would be rated at well over 200kW; its 180kW factory figure feels well understated. Mitsubishi claim a 0-100 time of 6.7 seconds, and we achieved easy high sixes. In fact, even with the gentlest of launches and with two people in the car, the time to 100 was still in the low-mid Sevens - faster than a 225kW v8 Holden launched in the same way. Another example: at the same time as we had the Ralliart we also had an STi Subaru WRX on test. In all normal conditions of driving, the Ralliart was at least as quick. Many times, like through city traffic, it was much quicker..."
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You'd be suprised...
And the FWD Mitsu Magna Ralliart 3.5l V6 was faster than the current RWD AU XR8 when it was released as well. ;)

Love Magnas, were always under-rated by consumers, esspecially when in the late 90's they were the best local performance 6cyl sedans on the market.
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faster than a 225kW v8 Holden launched in the same way
couldnt help myself... as if a FWD and RWD have the same launch technique... so it you drive the commodore that way and it's slower, how about we launch the magna the same way you would launch a holden .. I hate the way people who write drivel like that chuck in little qualifiers that invalidate the whole thing. :togo:
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Even then there wouldn't be much that much in it. 225kw commos on average do about 14.5 compared to the magnas 14.8. Not a terrible difference considering the 45kw and massive torque disadvantage.
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what do the respective cars weigh ? These things all count.

I find it difficult to believe I am sticking up for a commodore
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You'd be suprised...

When the TJ VRX was released in 2000 there wasn't many 6cyls under 100K capable of catching it.

VRX article

This is a little extract about the 180kw Ralliart:

"For this is one helluva powerful car. In HSV "Commodore kilowatts" it would be rated at well over 200kW; its 180kW factory figure feels well understated. Mitsubishi claim a 0-100 time of 6.7 seconds, and we achieved easy high sixes. In fact, even with the gentlest of launches and with two people in the car, the time to 100 was still in the low-mid Sevens - faster than a 225kW v8 Holden launched in the same way. Another example: at the same time as we had the Ralliart we also had an STi Subaru WRX on test. In all normal conditions of driving, the Ralliart was at least as quick. Many times, like through city traffic, it was much quicker..."
I'd pay money to see a stock VR-X beat a VX SS. And if that article says low 7's 0-100km/h is faster then a VX SS.... the writer needs a serious driving lesson.

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You can't compare them to cars which are clearly out of their class.
That's like saying a Typhoon is slow because a Bugatti Veyron can do 250mph.
No, not at all. Different kettle of fish. I'm saying a 15-sec family sedan isn't fast, and it isn't. Its not special for an N/A 6-cyl either. It's slower then a 20 year old N/A 4-cyl Porsche.

Unfortunately, due to our own actions (1970s "Supercar scare,") we've created two generations of Australian performance cars that don't perform, and well, allowed things like this... V8 RWD "Sports" sedans being beaten by cookie cutter FWD V6's.
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My mate has a 88 model(first of the injected)the stock motor packed it up so put a vr4 motor, it was a straight swap with the motor only modifying one engine mount for the conversion, being a sleeper u got some strange looks when u flew past people.Very quick
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what do the respective cars weigh ? These things all count.

I find it difficult to believe I am sticking up for a commodore
True, the commo weighs about 1600kg, Magna ralliart about 1527kg. But you also have to take into account that a RWD would be easier to get off the line than a powerful FWD.

LOL i'm sticking up for the ol' magna. Sure the base models are hell slow, but many people underrate the sports ones. I never said that the magna could beat an VX LS1 SS. I'm merely saying that the contest is closer that you think espeically considering the engine capacity/engine power differences.
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Old 21-02-2007, 09:57 PM   #25
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It seems they run some decent times stock and with minor mods, but once they do some big mods there doesn't seem like much scope to make a substantial gain. For example, the twin turbo 3.5l(?) running a 13.8 is rather unimpressive in my opinion.

If only they were RWD...
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i have seen a few of the last shape getting around with nice rims and a lowering job and i gotta say im impressed. Have always been a fan of the Magna, especially since i started following Darryl McBeths build of one (both bodyshapes)
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Only 1 has run a 13 and it is twin turbo?
That's not true, one forced induction Magna ran a 11.98. I will find out more info.
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Here are a couple of twin turbo Magna's.

http://www.fastmagna.com/gallery/RPW-Magna

http://www.fastmagna.com/gallery/Booyas-Magna
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Their not what you guys would term as "fast" without major mods but for what they are their a very good "touring" car and probably represent one of the few correct front wheel drive chassis setups seen on the Australian market.

The VRX 3.5L developing 163kw from a SOHC 24 Valver and the 180kw 3.5L Ralliart donk were very good v6s for the time (2001 for VRX, 2002 for Ralliart); and were also arguably better performance than the standard pre BA falcon and all over that Buick from that other car company.

It was also the first Australian built car with a 5 speed auto (reasonably liked), and the first Australian built AWD.

Unfortunately for MMAL though, the Magna was tarnished from the old TM-TR days with the Astron/Astron II engines and unreliable gear boxes.

By the time they made the third generation Magna in 1996, most of the issues were sorted out (although the 01 onwards cars are the pick of the bunch). Had they gone with a model wide AWD option from 1996 I'd say they would have been right up there with the sales, especially during the dark days of the AU. But I guess it wasn't to be.
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What's a Magna?
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