Ford Laser KQ SR2 2001 Model Turbo???

jdyubfi · 28-10-2006, 12:54 AM

Hi, i have a kq sr2 laser 2001 model, my problem is i pretty much know nothing about turbos and i am really wanting to turbo it. I have been told a Garrett GT28r would go nicely onto it. What i want to know is, what are all the other accessories that i am going to need? such as intercooler, piping etc. I wouldnt know the first thing about these things but i know they are highly important when you are turboing your car. If someone could give me a basic list of things i will need and an approximate price it would be greatly appreciated, as i just want to get some sort of an idea, but it seems like good help is hard to find these days. Any suggestions?

MITCHAY · 28-10-2006, 01:54 AM

Just thought I would offer another suggestion. Have you had a ponder about getting the running gear out of a previous model turbo Laser like a TX3? PM Vippin he seems to know a fair bit about this sort of stuff.

Hmm a turbo on a SR2. I have always thought they were a nice bit of kit to start with. Lazi boys are pretty much unbreakable in the first place which is always good.

28-10-2006, 01:58 AM

There are turbo kits for the Mazda 323 SP20 (same car and engine as Laser SR2) including ECU i think?

28-10-2006, 02:01 AM

More info:

http://www.astinagt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2895

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67116

The kit: http://www.hiboost.com/KITMAZDA20protege.htm

jdyubfi · 28-10-2006, 10:43 AM

thanks guys so much for your help as i really dont know much. so would that mazda protege turbo kit be all i need? woudl it go straight on? how much am i looking at for something like that?

jdyubfi · 28-10-2006, 10:56 AM

yeh thanx mitchay. i have never thought about your option before but ill defineately keep all avenues open. Yes ill PM vippin, maybe he could help me out a little. when putttin a turbo onto a car like mine, should there be any engine mods done beforehand? or is it safe to bolt a turbo onto a stock engine?

VippiN · 28-10-2006, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Just thought I would offer another suggestion. Have you had a ponder about getting the running gear out of a previous model turbo Laser like a TX3? PM Vippin he seems to know a fair bit about this sort of stuff.

This is exactly what I said in the replied PM.

This is what people are doing with the later model Lasers, it's been done to 3 KQ's and 2 Liata's off the top of my head.

If you can get into contact with "Lazer the Amazer" he's done it and boy what a beast. He sold it earlier in the year I believe.

In a nutshell IMO:
Lose your engine and box, replace with KF/KH Laser TX3 Turbo.

jdyubfi · 28-10-2006, 02:19 PM

hey
http://www.adelaidejap.com.au/mazda.htm

the BP turbo engine on this page, is it something that i should be looking at?

VippiN · 28-10-2006, 09:04 PM

Yep thats the engine I was talking about. Though if as you said via PM and *have* the money to spend try and find a BPD. The same engine, much better internals, much better potential. Some Lasers with BPD's are making 300+AWkW's.

Though be prepared to pay $3000+ for engine alone.

jdyubfi · 29-10-2006, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by VippiN

Yep thats the engine I was talking about. Though if as you said via PM and *have* the money to spend try and find a BPD. The same engine, much better internals, much better potential. Some Lasers with BPD's are making 300+AWkW's.

Though be prepared to pay $3000+ for engine alone.

ok so this is the way i reckon i should go, so in the new hot 4's magazine, there is engines for mazdas, and it says BDT from 1600 bucks, is that the one your talking about? is there a particualr year engine i should be looking for or are they all the same? would the BP engine still push out reasonable kilowatts?

VippiN · 29-10-2006, 10:23 AM

The only BDT I know of is the 1.7L Cosworth engine... Pretty sure we don't have them in AU!

The engine i'm speaking of is the BPD 1.8L DOHC Turbo from the Mazda Familia GTR and pushes out about 150kW stock. (BPT is 117kW stock) But you're after more power, and the BPD can deliver that much easier because of stronger internals than the BPT - it will hold up to the job.

jdyubfi · 29-10-2006, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by VippiN

The only BDT I know of is the 1.7L Cosworth engine... Pretty sure we don't have them in AU!

The engine i'm speaking of is the BPD 1.8L DOHC Turbo from the Mazda Familia GTR and pushes out about 150kW stock. (BPT is 117kW stock) But you're after more power, and the BPD can deliver that much easier because of stronger internals than the BPT - it will hold up to the job.

thanks man for your help really, you have set me on the right track which im so happy about. do you know of any places where i could start enquiring around here in adelaide? where would u go?

VippiN · 29-10-2006, 06:59 PM

AdelaideJap should be able to order in, but realise the BPD's are rare as dog **** in a castle. You're unlucky though, a mate of mine in Ballarat had one sent from Adelaidejap (a GTR halfcut) to his place in Ballarat for $4.5~

I've responded to your pm. Instead of replying post questions here instead, it can help people in the future.

jdyubfi · 30-10-2006, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by VippiN

AdelaideJap should be able to order in, but realise the BPD's are rare as dog **** in a castle. You're unlucky though, a mate of mine in Ballarat had one sent from Adelaidejap (a GTR halfcut) to his place in Ballarat for $4.5~

I've responded to your pm. Instead of replying post questions here instead, it can help people in the future.

cool thanks so much for your help mate. ill get onto them and see what they can do for me and let u all know what happens. hey what do u think of the new focus xr5's? are they as good as they are made out to be, personally i think they are awesome, i think they would be so nice to drive, have you driven one? have they got much go?

jdyubfi · 30-10-2006, 03:32 AM

check this out

http://www.carpoint.com.au/used-car/...d/1938982.aspx

not much kms on it, would be perfect :( 7 grand tho

VippiN · 30-10-2006, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jdyubfi

check this out

http://www.carpoint.com.au/used-car/...d/1938982.aspx

not much kms on it, would be perfect :( 7 grand tho

What's odd about that is the picture shows a BG Astina not a Famila..

Mazda Familia GTR's cost upwards of $10k.

jdyubfi · 30-10-2006, 12:24 PM

hmm thats abit dodgy then...i just got an email back from adelaide jap dismantlers, and he says he has 3 front cuts coming early next year, $5,800 for the package, is that any good? and just a thought...do you think by putting a gtr engine in my car that it would somehow either increase the value or at least hold the value of my car? coz i mean at the moment its obviously decreasing, it does as soon as you drive it out the showroom. im trying to give myself some good reasons to do this to my car and the first being coz i want a powerful car and i love my laser, but i was thinking it may hold the value of my car for the future? what you think?

VippiN · 30-10-2006, 09:08 PM

5k is about right for a GTR half cut. Good thing is though mate you can sell the 4WD box for $1500..

It will decrease the value to normal people cos it's modified.
It will increase the value to car enthusiasts.

I wouldn't do it unless I was keeping it for at least 3 more years.

jdyubfi · 31-10-2006, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by VippiN

5k is about right for a GTR half cut. Good thing is though mate you can sell the 4WD box for $1500..

It will decrease the value to normal people cos it's modified.
It will increase the value to car enthusiasts.

I wouldn't do it unless I was keeping it for at least 3 more years.

ohh ok so i dont need the gearbox from the gtr, mines ok is that what your saying? i can sell the gtr gearbox for $1500?

VippiN · 31-10-2006, 12:17 AM

No, i'm saying the GTR gearbox is 4WD and useless to you! So sell it!

You need the FWD gearbox from the Laser KF/KH TX3 N/A or FWD Turbo

jdyubfi · 31-10-2006, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by VippiN

No, i'm saying the GTR gearbox is 4WD and useless to you! So sell it!

You need the FWD gearbox from the Laser KF/KH TX3 N/A or FWD Turbo

ohh ok yeh im with ya now lol. sorry about that

jdyubfi · 31-10-2006, 06:48 PM

i dunno maybe it might be more trouble then its worth, might be better off buying a car with a turbo already on it. hmm decisions decisions....

jdyubfi · 01-11-2006, 06:49 PM

whats some mods i can make to my current engine to give me that little extra power? whats some things to do?

VippiN · 01-11-2006, 10:34 PM

Full exhaust, extractors, bigger leads, decent plugs .. <$1k

Cams, throttle body .. >$1k

jdyubfi · 01-11-2006, 11:50 PM

2k, hmm i can handle that, how much more power you reckon that would give?

VippiN · 02-11-2006, 10:36 AM

If done correctly about 20kW but that's 3k for all of it (roughly)

PS KJ with BPT:

http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ict0011fk4.jpg

jdyubfi · 02-11-2006, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by VippiN

If done correctly about 20kW but that's 3k for all of it (roughly)

PS KJ with BPT:

http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ict0011fk4.jpg

wheres that situated? its not for sale is it?

jdyubfi · 02-11-2006, 01:00 PM

i just wanna ask...i know that its true when you say that bolting a turbo onto the original motor will stuff it, but how is it all these other cars do it and get away with it? you see all these hot done up cars in magazines which obviously have done it and they seem alright..i know that the theory is right, that the original engine isnt built for all the extra pressure, but tell me whats the likelihood of it happenin? does it depend on how you drive it as well? if you thrash it or not? and is there anyway you can kinda prepare your original engine for a turbo? such as extractors, bigger leads, cams etc? would this help the engine if a turbo was bolted on? im just trying to get an idea of all my options and the pros and cons for each, coz obviously puttin a garrett turbo on would be heaps easier then finding another engine and gezrbox, and i keep thinking that a gtr engine would be heaps older then what i have in it. what are your thoughts? everything you have told me up to date i found very helpful.

02-11-2006, 01:10 PM

If you were to bolt a turbo on, you will need a custom exhaust manifold, not extractors (extractors are normally for N/A gains)

If you were to do it to the stock engine look at the links I posted at the top. They go over what needs to be upgraded depending on how crazy you go... I say dooo itt.

jdyubfi · 02-11-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackLS

If you were to bolt a turbo on, you will need a custom exhaust manifold, not extractors (extractors are normally for N/A gains)

If you were to do it to the stock engine look at the links I posted at the top. They go over what needs to be upgraded depending on how crazy you go... I say dooo itt.

what links? would you just bolt on a turbo to a stock engine or would you defineately do the little upgrades first? yeh wheres the links again?