New car sales May 2015

SumoDog68 · 03-06-2015, 03:47 PM

http://www.caradvice.com.au/357811/m...rs-and-losers/

Interesting month - Mazda 3 , Hilux an Ranger doing well - Falcon at 520 ,Commodore at 2217 ,Genesis 49 - Jeep GC seems to have plateaued at 988 in the third place in its segment.

Vesper Martini · 03-06-2015, 04:03 PM

Interesting
Ranger makes up half of Fords Sales, without it they wouldn't be in the top 10
subtract Hilux and Toyota would still be first.

galaxy xr8 · 03-06-2015, 04:09 PM

Once again the Focus has not made a margin in the small segment as with the Kuga in the medium SUV range.

Theses a classes that these two should be having an impact on considering the sales of their opposition in said segments.

Ford are advertising these aggressively but with no impact.

flooded one · 03-06-2015, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Once again the Focus has not made a margin in the small segment as with the Kuga in the medium SUV range.

Theses a classes that these two should be having an impact on considering the sales of their opposition in said segments.

Ford are advertising these aggressively but with no impact.

I'm starting too think Focus has a bad image too be honest after reading all the complaints on Ford Australia Facebook page. Maybe some truth in it as there's a group called fix our Ford Focus!! & Fiestas and the Destroy My Ford page is about a Focus

Sprintey · 03-06-2015, 05:21 PM

Mazda, Suby, VW and Honda on big % increases. In Suby's case it's probably new stock and appealing pricing. Prestige Europeans also up.

**buggerlugs** · 03-06-2015, 06:11 PM

My daughter has a Turbo Diesel Auto Focus Sport and it has been brilliant ( touch wood ). I hear of the horror stories but I can only go on how the car has been for us. Faultless.....

Focused · 03-06-2015, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by wildrider

I'm starting too think Focus has a bad image too be honest after reading all the complaints on Ford Australia Facebook page. Maybe some truth in it as there's a group called fix our Ford Focus!! & Fiestas and the Destroy My Ford page is about a Focus

Ignore everything on Facebook.
My parents had a LW Trend and replaced it with a LW2 Trend a few months ago and both were fine.

Ford don't sell because:
1) the dealers are crap
2) the general public associate Ford with crappy outdated Falcons...

Falcman0o7 · 03-06-2015, 08:01 PM

Cruze,Captiva,Barina ect all just junk that is constantly recalled and just plain horrible cars! but...

LETS GO THERE!!!

FORD5 · 03-06-2015, 08:04 PM

Nice to see the new Honda HR-V get a mention
My mother picked hers up last week. They're a nice little car for what they are

duaned · 03-06-2015, 08:29 PM

Great wall sold 12 units in May. The writing is on the wall for those crap boxes for sure!

Spammy · 03-06-2015, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Focused

Ford don't sell because:
1) the dealers are crap
2) the general public associate Ford with crappy outdated Falcons...

The smell of death surrounding the Falcon is not helping anyone. Look at the brand regeneration mitsi have done since the magna/380 left the party.

xr8svo · 03-06-2015, 08:53 PM

The issue with the focus is the auto gearbox. We have one that shudders and lurches and shifts quite violently but according to ford is with in spec. My wife loves the car aside from the gearbox and the way ford have treated us and will now never buy another ford again because of customer service. The problem we now have is finding another car that she likes, we have been through just about every competitor on the market.

DanielXR8 · 03-06-2015, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Focused

Ignore everything on Facebook.
My parents had a LW Trend and replaced it with a LW2 Trend a few months ago and both were fine.

Ford don't sell because:
1) the dealers are crap
2) the general public associate Ford with crappy outdated Falcons...

I think you will find Ford Australia is the corporate train wreck it is now for the very reason that they do ignore everything on Facebook and everywhere else for that matter.

LeadFoot81 · 03-06-2015, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Focused

Ignore everything on Facebook.
My parents had a LW Trend and replaced it with a LW2 Trend a few months ago and both were fine.

Ford don't sell because:
1) the dealers are crap
2) the general public associate Ford with crappy outdated Falcons...

Mate it's hard to ignore the fact that most dealers are flat out replacing transmissions on these things.

My wife had an LW2 Titanium for a year, and while overall it was a great car we too had to get the clutch pack replaced.

IMO Ford need to get a conventional auto in the Focus asap, and work out a retrofit scheme with dealer and third party workshops so current/future Powershift owners aren't burnt (too badly) So the cars can shine and consumers can start focussing on the positives of the product.

DanielXR8 · 03-06-2015, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

Mate it's hard to ignore the fact that most dealers are flat out replacing transmissions on these things.

My wife had an LW2 Titanium for a year, and while overall it was a great car we too had to get the clutch pack replaced.

IMO Ford need to get a conventional auto in the Focus asap, and work out a retrofit scheme with dealer and third party workshops so current/future Powershift owners aren't burnt (too badly)

That would be an entirely sensible, but expensive and necessary decision Ford should make for its long term reputation and sales success. But if you've known Ford for a while, you also know there is an accountant somewhere at Ford saying "no screw them", with a chorus of senior Ford execs all nodding their heads in agreement and that is what will be heard. It is a toxic corporate culture at Ford Australia.

LeadFoot81 · 03-06-2015, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DanielXR8

That would be an entirely sensible, but expensive and necessary decision Ford should make for its long term reputation and sales success. But if you've known Ford for a while, you also know there is an accountant somewhere at Ford saying "no screw them", with a chorus of senior Ford execs all nodding their heads in agreement and that is what will be heard. It is a toxic corporate culture at Ford Australia.

I can't speak for the corporate culture at Ford Oz, but I think the decision should come from Fomoco HQ (and be global).

I really dig the halo cars (Fiesta/Focus ST, Mustang/s, GT) but those wouldn't be possible without profits from bread and butter volume sellers (that people can rely on)

Dr Smith · 03-06-2015, 09:30 PM

Are US models suffering the same problems?

Frankly I think all DSG's from all brands should be scrapped and back to conventional autos. I'd gladly suffer any slight fuel use increase for a smoother drivetrain and who cares how fast a dsg can shift over a good ZF 8 speed auto.

SumoDog68 · 03-06-2015, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8svo

The issue with the focus is the auto gearbox. We have one that shudders and lurches and shifts quite violently but according to ford is with in spec. My wife loves the car aside from the gearbox and the way ford have treated us and will now never buy another ford again because of customer service. The problem we now have is finding another car that she likes, we have been through just about every competitor on the market.

You got to wonder why economy hatch needs a DSG style transmission - probably to compete (in economy) with Golf in Europe. So much more to go wrong , two clutches, actuators etc . Even manual is 5 speed except the ST.

In Focus · 03-06-2015, 10:37 PM

Ask the average punter what kind of gearbox is in an auto Focus, and he/she wouldn't know. IMO that's not the reason they are failing to sell (I'm not sure what the reason is, but I very much doubt the gearbox is it).

mik · 03-06-2015, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Focused

Ignore everything on Facebook.
My parents had a LW Trend and replaced it with a LW2 Trend a few months ago and both were fine.

Ford don't sell because:
1) the dealers are crap
2) the general public associate Ford with crappy outdated Falcons...

id say it is nothing to do with falcons being crappy,
not that there have not been some issues, but more to do with ford oz preparing to shut their doors, and as you mentioned some dealership problems.

also to top it off, the already mentioned DSG disaster that tarnished all of the ford front wheel drive models.

ford gambled on the dsg and it bit them on the kyber.
by the looks of it, fords bean counters are fords worst enemy, because if they had spent a bit more time and money testing the dsg , their front wheel drive range which has had good reviews over the years wouldn`t be mud now whether they have remedied the situation or not,
hence they have thrown every possible gadget into the mondeo to try and entice buyers back , that is what it looks like anyway..

XR Martin · 03-06-2015, 10:55 PM

Ford needs to push and push hard the Ecoboost side of things.
No one knows anything about them, yet its something that none of the Japs or Koreans can compete with.

Look at the F150 series from a few years ago on how to promote a product
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tEqwXrqzH4

mik · 03-06-2015, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Ford needs to push and push hard the Ecoboost side of things.
No one knows anything about them, yet its something that none of the Japs or Koreans can compete with.

Look at the F150 series from a few years ago on how to promote a product
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tEqwXrqzH4

yeah that was a pretty good move doing the tests for the ecoboost and putting it on youtube, the engine got world wide good publicity.

i have always wondered if they had of put V6 ecoboost into the falcon years ago what effect it would have had on sales, despite how good the our straight six banger is, some people still see it as the old falcon 6 even though it has been developed for over 50 years and still kicks *** unbeknownst to many..

Franco Cozzo · 04-06-2015, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Even manual is 5 speed except the ST.

Which is pox in this day and age, 5sp manual still?

I've got an LV Focus, has a 6sp manual and its three models old now, why go back to 5 gears?

MethodX · 04-06-2015, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Falcman0o7

Cruze,Captiva,Barina ect all just junk that is constantly recalled and just plain horrible cars! but...

LETS GO THERE!!!

love the gm burn in this one.

Pedro · 04-06-2015, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by xr8svo

The issue with the focus is the auto gearbox. We have one that shudders and lurches and shifts quite violently but according to ford is with in spec. My wife loves the car aside from the gearbox and the way ford have treated us and will now never buy another ford again because of customer service. The problem we now have is finding another car that she likes, we have been through just about every competitor on the market.

Just dropped in on this thread.
That's it in a nutshell. The lack of Ford Dealer service is endemic and appalling, and in my opinion was a substantial contributor to the demise of the Australian manufacturing operation.

Adamz Ghia · 04-06-2015, 02:07 PM

I'm gonna be different. West Point Ford Hoppers Crossing and Eclipse Ford Ballarat are in my mind the two best dealers you can go to. Fantastic service and always helpful. Staff even remember your name when you go back next time.

Rex Gorrell in Geelong is good too. Not as good as the other two but I'd buy a car from them if I had to.

zilo · 04-06-2015, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8svo

The issue with the focus is the auto gearbox. We have one that shudders and lurches and shifts quite violently but according to ford is with in spec.....

Gearbox issues much more severe than those haven't stopped people from buying Volkswagons by the shipload.....

Spammy · 04-06-2015, 04:58 PM

Reading the above it appears the small Fords have the reliability issues of a 2nd tier Euro and the driveway cred of a Ford.....gee, I wonder why they are not selling very well.

Gadgetman · 04-06-2015, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by buggerlugs

My daughter has a Turbo Diesel Auto Focus Sport and it has been brilliant ( touch wood ). I hear of the horror stories but I can only go on how the car has been for us. Faultless.....

And she wont have any issues because unlike the petrol variants, the diesel use a wet clutch version. As for the dry clutch, they are a disaster that Ford wont admit to for a while! Remember ball joints and bushes in Territorys' that they didnt acknowledge for years. same ****. That is why they are where they are. Cant blame their entire dealer network. If you were a half decent Ford salesman, why would you want to work there? Guess that is why that quality of staff rate will continue to drop as their market share does.

zilo · 04-06-2015, 05:00 PM

For those who can't stand ads on web pages.

Top 10 best-selling brands, May 2015:

Toyota – 15,928
Mazda – 8717
Hyundai – 8269
Holden – 7956
Mitsubishi – 6149
Ford – 5994
Volkswagen – 5534
Nissan – 4467
Subaru – 3776
Honda – 3086

Top 10 best-selling models, May 2015:
Toyota HiLux – 3173
Mazda 3 – 2876
Toyota Corolla – 2688
Mitsubishi Triton – 2683
Ford Ranger – 2411
Holden Commodore – 2217
Volkswagen Golf – 2093
Mazda CX-5 – 1981
Hyundai i20 – 1920
Hyundai i30 – 1666