Odometer roll back

steves6403 · 21-01-2021, 09:07 AM

Been looking to buy a 4x4 diesel for the last 6mth's , what a mine field.
I suppose covid didnt help LOL.
Ive seen a lot of low kms cars that look like they've done a lot more than what they state.
A google search confirmed my suspicions!!!
You can buy a plug in scanner that can adjust the kms for 400$ odd.
Apart from honest use when installing a reco, why have manufactures aloud this to happen.

I,m at a loss

smoo · 21-01-2021, 11:19 AM

What plug in scanner can do that, and to what vehicle?

Franco Cozzo · 21-01-2021, 11:36 AM

She's been given a bit of a 'haircut'

How good are older cars, just change the cluster.

hayseed · 21-01-2021, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by steves6403

Been looking to buy a 4x4 diesel for the last 6mth's , what a mine field.
I suppose covid didnt help LOL.
Ive seen a lot of low kms cars that look like they've done a lot more than what they state.
A google search confirmed my suspicions!!!
You can buy a plug in scanner that can adjust the kms for 400$ odd.
Apart from honest use when installing a reco, why have manufactures aloud this to happen.

I,m at a loss

If they've been used Off road or as Work Vehicles? It's quite possible that They've have Very Low Average speeds & High Engine hours relative to a Car that's spent most of It's life at Highway Speeds..

Whenever I'm Looking at a S/H Truck I always take Far more Notice of the Engines Hours than the Distance travelled.!

smoo · 21-01-2021, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hayseed

If they've been used Off road or as Work Vehicles? It's quite possible that They've have Very Low Average speeds & High Engine hours relative to a Car that's spent most of It's life at Highway Speeds..

Whenever I'm Looking at a S/H Truck I always take Far more Notice of the Engines Hours than the Distance travelled.!

I’d be taking more notice of fuel burn. As that is representative of load and how hard the engine and what’s behind it has been working.

Yeah Damo I think the 100 series & GU Patrol are the most recent 4wds where the clusters can be swapped and aren’t stored in the BCM.
The Discovery 2 stores the cluster with the BCM but the LR Nanocom scan tool can change either or to the highest or lowest value.
I looked into this as in NZ diesels pay $78 tax per 1000km. I ended up buying a Citroen C5 diesel and unplugging one of the rear ABS sensors, which is used as the VSS. Only downside is I lose cruise control.

hayseed · 21-01-2021, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

She's been given a bit of a 'haircut'

How good are older cars, just change the cluster.

Back in the days of Cable driven Speedos, Unscrew the cable off the Trans & hook up an Electric Drill (from foggy memory you needed a Reversible Drill??) lock the Trigger & into It..

wodahs · 21-01-2021, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hayseed

Back in the days of Cable driven Speedos, Unscrew the cable off the Trans & hook up an Electric Drill (from foggy memory you needed a Reversible Drill??) lock the Trigger & into It..

that would have to be very old days
and would also wind it back when ever in reverse
wouldnt work with the way the meck worked in my XY falcon so be older than 70 cable type speedo's
was also in the movie fairis bulers day orr where they had been joy riding in his old mans vintage chev and were trying to wind the clock back whilst running in reverse on stands
and when they realise it wasnt winding back and he slaped the car in disapoint disloging it from the axle stands , sending it sailing backwards out the back of the building down the hill driverless

lumen8 · 21-01-2021, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wodahs

that would have to be very old days
and would also wind it back when ever in reverse
wouldnt work with the way the meck worked in my XY falcon so be older than 70 cable type speedo's
was also in the movie fairis bulers day orr where they had been joy riding in his old mans vintage chev and were trying to wind the clock back whilst running in reverse on stands
and when they realise it wasnt winding back and he slaped the car in disapoint disloging it from the axle stands , sending it sailing backwards out the back of the building down the hill driverless

It was supposed to be a Ferrari in the bueller film. (it was a replica).

It was common for owners of classic Ferraris to disconnect the speedometer actually.

hayseed · 21-01-2021, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wodahs

that would have to be very old days
and would also wind it back when ever in reverse
wouldnt work with the way the meck worked in my XY falcon so be older than 70 cable type speedo's
was also in the movie fairis bulers day orr where they had been joy riding in his old mans vintage chev and were trying to wind the clock back whilst running in reverse on stands
and when they realise it wasnt winding back and he slaped the car in disapoint disloging it from the axle stands , sending it sailing backwards out the back of the building down the hill driverless

Back in the early '80s an uncle of Mine bought a High Mileage HT Monaro Cheap. As I was skinnier than Him He sent Me under there to unscrew the Cable, he hooked up his Drill let It Run for a couple of Hours. He drove it for 6 months (or so) & then Sold it on at a Profit..

roKWiz · 21-01-2021, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hayseed

Back in the days of Cable driven Speedos, Unscrew the cable off the Trans

Best way to hire one of those servo Rent-A-Ute's.

steves6403 · 21-01-2021, 07:26 PM

A friend of mine went to the auctions and bought a v8 panel van. He was very excited as it only had 160kms on the clock. He brought it round as the electric windows weren't working and drivers side was down from when he bought it, easy fixed.
I put the window up to see an oil change sticker saying "next oil change at 320,000". He cryed

**73 4V XB** · 21-01-2021, 08:00 PM

Low K’s on the clock means nothing.
Look for the obvious signs, ware and tare on the seat, footwell mat, steering wheel, seat belt. It’s not hard to see what’s been tampered with.
I recently brought a 18 year old tow pig that showed 117K’s on it. The condition reflects the klm’s. As everyone knows, if it’s to good to be true it usually is, run away.

roKWiz · 22-01-2021, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Fiji

Buying old cars is frought with danger. Dodgy Speedos, can't find parts, don't perform like new cars.. who would want them?

Well most of us here.

ute83 · 22-01-2021, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Fiji

I thought a current affair took out "Speedo George"

Buying old cars is frought with danger. Dodgy Speedos, can't find parts, don't perform like new cars.. who would want them?

Well tell us what's on your shopping list now that Aurions are no longer made.

Franco Cozzo · 22-01-2021, 01:47 PM

Many many moons ago there was an instrumentation side to my employer, they used to do repairs/reconditioning.

Victoria Police used to visit on the regular to check paperwork that no dodgies were going on for odometers, it seems that it was taken more seriously long ago.

lumen8 · 22-01-2021, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Many many moons ago there was an instrumentation side to my employer, they used to do repairs/reconditioning.

Victoria Police used to visit on the regular to check paperwork that no dodgies were going on for odometers, it seems that it was taken more seriously long ago.

Bit of a waste of effort considering all the clusters that wreckers sell and can be swapped in/out?

Vesper Martini · 22-01-2021, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lumen8

It was common for owners of classic Ferraris to disconnect the speedometer actually.

lots of people used to do that, you just needed to learn what RPM equated to 100kph etc

rare ss · 22-01-2021, 04:43 PM

Common issue with early commodores, was easy enough to flick the first number around making a 180,000km car an 80,000kms car

I'm little skeptical with low km cars, any odo reading should be supported with the condition of the car, service history and other documentation

I worked with a guy who had a VT GTS and the speedo stopped working at very low kms, he had her as a daily driver for 3 years and did abit of a skid in reverse one day, speedo started working again so he decided to sell her on lol

Crazy Dazz · 25-01-2021, 12:56 AM

Depends on where the car has been used, and what for. Most utes on the mines have extremely low k's. On some sites the u/g Utes are locked info low range.

But the dirt, mud, salt, and water kills them.

They're a decent cheap buy when we're finished with them.
Labour onsite is hugely expensive, so a Ute can become uneconomical to repair for us, but still be a Good buy for someone who's handy. But gees they are rough. I would imagine the engines are still good, but the bodies are cruddy and the running gear is usually cactus.

Crazy Dazz · 25-01-2021, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by wodahs

that would have to be very old days
and would also wind it back when ever in reverse

nah, the idea of the drill was to go forwards until it clocked.

prktkljokr · 25-01-2021, 02:15 AM

Looks can be deceiving when buying a used car, some of the bad ones are tarted up to look good so it can be hard for joe average to tell what has been thrashed to within a inch of its life and what is genuine.

My son has a 09 BMW 328i with over 350,000 on the clock, the car looks and drives mint, even the paint is unmarked, you would swear it was a sub 100,000k car the way it drives, previous owner looked after it like crazy, on the other hand my 2010 4x4 Fuso Canter has 55,000ks on it, fortunately mechanically its great, but at the moment it looks like its been driven to the moon and it got bogged there (ex mine vehicle) looks more like a 550,000k truck with the red mud dyed interior, the chassis is so bad I am 1/4 the way into doing a chassis swap.

Franco Cozzo · 25-01-2021, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by lumen8

Bit of a waste of effort considering all the clusters that wreckers sell and can be swapped in/out?

Indeed - I don't think the whole wrecker cluster swap would have been so common and easily available in the 1970s/1980s though.

Mr_G6ET · 25-01-2021, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

nah, the idea of the drill was to go forwards until it clocked.

and Depends on where the car has been used, and what for. Most utes on the mines have extremely low k's. On some sites the u/g Utes are locked info low range.

But the dirt, mud, salt, and water kills them.

They're a decent cheap buy when we're finished with them.
Labour onsite is hugely expensive, so a Ute can become uneconomical to repair for us, but still be a Good buy for someone who's handy. But gees they are rough. I would imagine the engines are still good, but the bodies are cruddy and the running gear is usually cactus

against the law to change the odometer, immoral/inhumane act for the buyer, desperate/idiocy to say the least.

lumen8 · 26-01-2021, 01:34 PM

Anyone got their AU or BA up to a million?

Does it display 1 million?

Pis-ton broke · 26-01-2021, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

against the law to change the odometer, .

are you shore about that?

my old ea ex-taxi odometre broke and i had to change it.

Citroënbender · 26-01-2021, 01:57 PM

In NSW not illegal.

Never heard of a ping when an e-check station has put through lower mileage than year before. I’ve deliberately misread when putting an own rego through with my part-time colleague, just to see if it was followed up.

Correct odometer function is not mandated in NSW, speedometer is.