VW storing about 300,000 diesels at 37 facilities around U.S.

[jpd80]

VW storing about 300,000 diesels at 37 facilities around U.S.


March 30, 2018 @ 11:40 am
David Shepardson
Reuters.....http://www.autonews.com/article/2018...diesel-storage



Volkswagen has taken parking lots to a whole new level in the United States -- and will not be emptying them soon.

Volkswagen AG has paid more than $7.4 billion to buy back about 350,000 U.S. diesel vehicles through mid-February, a recent court filing shows. The German automaker has been storing hundreds of thousands of vehicles around the United States for months.

Volkswagen has 37 secure storage facilities around the United States housing nearly 300,000 vehicles, the filing from the program's independent administrator said. The lots include a shuttered suburban Detroit football stadium, a former Minnesota paper mill and a sun-bleached desert graveyard near Victorville, Calif.

VW spokeswoman Jeannine Ginivan said in a statement on Wednesday that the storage facility in California is one of many "to ensure the responsible storage of vehicles that are bought back under the terms of the Volkswagen" diesel settlements.

"These vehicles are being stored on an interim basis and routinely maintained in a manner to ensure their long-term operability and quality, so that they may be returned to commerce or exported once U.S. regulators approve appropriate emissions modifications," she said.

In total, VW has agreed to spend more than $25 billion in the United States for claims from owners, environmental regulators, states and dealers and offered to buy back about 500,000 polluting U.S. vehicles. The buybacks will continue through the end of 2019.

The court filing said through Dec. 31 Volkswagen had reacquired 335,000 diesel vehicles, resold 13,000 and destroyed about 28,000 vehicles. As of the end of last year, VW was storing 294,000 vehicles around the country.

[rjk74]

Just crazy, if only the badge snobs new what they were driving. There's a doco on the Volkswagon group on Netflix (Dirty Money) shows how they were found to be using defeat software on their diesels.

[cheap]

Ship them back to Eastern Europe/China/Russia and basically give them away, flood the markets. It would be a way of destroying what little foot hold the US automakers had in those regions. Tit for tat.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by cheap

Ship them back to Eastern Europe/China/Russia and basically give them away, flood the markets. It would be a way of destroying what little foot hold the US automakers had in those regions. Tit for tat.

Given the way the Russians drive, there'd be no warranty claims....

[sixman]

Luckily our biggest issue is a bit of sandpaper applied to a ball

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Given the way the Russians drive, there'd be no warranty claims....

Originally Posted by jpd80

Those have neither the recency nor the flexibility of design to be considered,
something much closer to home acted as inspiration, especially after being blocked
nearly 10 years ago..

Blend the premium of DEW with the affordability and practicality of Falcon / Territory
and you get a platform that gives both premium and affordable products
that cover all needs..



Ford is not spending $5 billion on CD6, that old report we've read is very erroneous
and also included the autonomous and electric vehicles programs and plants.


Given the product envelope being considered, Your $500 million would probably
cover the initial engineering architecture modules but not the developed vehicles.
Depending on Hackett's determination, this could go very well for Ford and its global customers

Enough for now, wait for details of Explorer...

In the meantime look at the Aviator beyond skin panels and imagine what you see...

Russians can’t afford them

[CyberWasp]

Would make for a great demo derby.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

Russians can’t afford them

Russian mafia have lots of cash for gangsta mobile....

or are they deported / returning party members....

Originally Posted by sixman

Luckily our biggest issue is a bit of sandpaper applied to a ball

Common KGB interrogation technique...

[In Focus]

Nice to see the odd red breaking up the sea of greys, blacks and whites...

[commodorenutt]

Originally Posted by In Focus

Nice to see the odd red breaking up the sea of greys, blacks and whites...

The blue ones are even harder to spot.

Reminds me of that old meme about the Audi colour chart - 50 shades of silver.

It's one thing the Aussies did far better at - decent colour options, and a wide variety of them. And hero colours to top it off. It makes me smile when I see a Toxic BA, or a Breeze BF/FG. Not that I'd ever own Toxic, but breeze was an aptly named breath of fresh air.

[Pedro]

How would you store and identify the keys ... I guess they're left in the cars?

[Sprintey]

1) store them in the desert until they go classic. If they are anything like Aussie muscle, VWs 7.4 billion could be returned 10 fold in 40 years (haha, they are nothing like Aussie Muscle)

2) develop a retrofit with TSI motor, resell them as cheap petrols and

3) sell the diesels as boat anchors for recreational sailors

4) donate them to the next generation of American demolition derby drivers, these cars have great safety features

[jpd80]

5) Fix emissions and donate them to charitable organisations.

If VW is seeking forgiveness and redemption, that would be a good start.

[Falcon SXR8]

Drop a bomb on them and be done with it, pieces of junk

[dunga]

Would these these cars be made in the us or imported from overseas if they were imported maybe they could recommission all the b 52 bombers in the Arizona desert and load them with the crap Volkswagens and return them via airmail.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by jpd80

5) Fix emissions and donate them to charitable organisations.

If VW is seeking forgiveness and redemption, that would be a good start.

Yeah, parking in lots after Being caught-out...I'm sure their primary interest is charity.

[Sprintey]

Now that you mention VW and B52s, have heard whispers from old Navy acquaintances about Beetle shells and the steam catapaults on aircraft carriers...

[uniacidz]

Give them to the needy

Donate to other countries, Botswana, etc etc



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[chevypower]

Originally Posted by uniacidz

Give them to the needy

Donate to other countries, Botswana, etc etc



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In other words, it’s not about “global warming.” Just a stupid trade barrier.

[fordomatic]

That photo is actually insane. What made our courts rule VW didn’t have to buy back? Is VW still struggling sale wise here?

[CyberWasp]

I got to ask the dumb question.
But can't they just do an ECU Flash to retune the Motor back to legal specifications then resell them back to the public?

[mike_nofx]

So basically there’s nothing wrong with these cars other than they pollute a tad more than they claimed?

Well having 300,000 cars sitting there doing sfa, meaning 300,000 buyers bought alternate vehicles will do wonders in reducing pollution!

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Yeah, parking in lots after Being caught-out...I'm sure their primary interest is charity.

in fairness though, those 300,000 have to be quarantined until repairs are done and storing cars at dealerships is not feasible given the vast number and time limit to complete the customer buy back.

Doing repairs of cars that are five to seven years old with reduced resale values just to sell them seems very unlikely at this point, that's why I suggest that they offer them to charities or maybe schools with auto shop classes, let them do the repairs and on sell them..

Knowing VW, they will do none of the above and just take the $25 billion hit in North America
and turn it into a massive tax deduction over the next five to six years.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by fordomatic

That photo is actually insane. What made our courts rule VW didn’t have to buy back? Is VW still struggling sale wise here?

The way our legislation is framed, a car must pass an emission test on demand
and all of VW Austalia's cars and SUVs can do that because of their dodgey software.

The American situation is different, the software to mask or hide true emissions
levels is not permitted and VW execs instructed others in the company to lie
and conceal the truth until they could no longer do that and at that point,
it became a criminal conspiracy against the US government

[FPV414]

Watch a Netflix doco series called "Dirty Money". The first episode is about the VW scandal, it explains the reasons why having the car running with the emissions as per US standards would mean the expensive pollution hardware (I want to say the cat but I wouldn't be sure) in the car would need changing very regularly (few thousand KM). The dodgy tune was for the longevity of the pollution hardware.

[jpd80]

First off, NOX is produced when engines run really lean and efficient - mostly light cruise, not at full power.

Bottom line here is that the system chosen by VW is basically a NOX trap which is not
suited to full time operation like urea injection to break up the NOX. So VW decided to
save $300/car and just use the part time system, use a non emission program
in normal operation and only switch to emission compliant when it detected an on-demand test.

It is that work around and the deceptive conduct that's landed VW in so much trouble.

[commodorenutt]

One thing people seem to forget when seeing loads of cars like this, is they aren't new - some are up to 7 years old, and could have up to 200,000 or more miles on them.

VW were forced to buy them back from owners because of a US legal/govt ruling, which was more about the civil justice angle of the loss in resale value for these owners - and in the global capital of litigation, that meant VW had to compensate them the "before dieselgate" value of the car, which meant buying back the cars at market value.

Many of them will end up going to the crusher. They simply can't "flash" them and donate them to charities & the like, as most will require some sort of maintenance & repairs, and if they aren't done, and something happens, they'll get their *** sued again. For them to arrange roadworthy inspections of all cars, repairs to the viable ones, plus the cost of correcting emmissions, is simply crazy money in total. To me this is more of a stockpile of legal evidence to prove to the US govt they have completed their task. Once the battle is over, they'll end up scrapped.

[jpd80]

Worse, all diesel models from 2008 0n are now affected so up to nine and ten year old.

They had to give owners the choice of either repair the cars of offer to buy the cars back
and given the time limit imposed on VW, the offers had to be enough for owners to agree.

Only low mileage cars will be able to be salvaged, the rest are basically on VW,
if they don't fix them, they can't ever be registered again in the US.

To me this is more of a stockpile of legal evidence to prove to the US govt they have completed their task. Once the battle is over, they'll end up scrapped.

Correct. Count them by satellite.
I hope the EPA get onto them to start scrapping them instead of just dumping and forgetting them.


To be legal, all cars require fitment of Urea injection equipment, plumbing to exhast and a new
wire harness and program to drive it...that isn't going to happen to them once stockpiled in the open.

All I suggested was to fix some of them and donate them to charaties or school auto shops as
a way of getting some redemption and forgiveness...

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by jpd80

in fairness though, those 300,000 have to be quarantined until repairs are done and storing cars at dealerships is not feasible given the vast number and time limit to complete the customer buy back.

Doing repairs of cars that are five to seven years old with reduced resale values just to sell them seems very unlikely at this point, that's why I suggest that they offer them to charities or maybe schools with auto shop classes, let them do the repairs and on sell them..

Knowing VW, they will do none of the above and just take the $25 billion hit in North America
and turn it into a massive tax deduction over the next five to six years.