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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Out of my 'comfort zone' on this one. A relative has asked my advice as she wishes to purchase a People Mover. I have absolutely NO knowledge on these as I HATE them and therefore have zero interest. The last one of these I worked on was a Mitsubishi L300 some 30 years ago. Prior to that it was a Kombi - a real People Mover, especially as we had three park benches in the back to transport anything up to 15 bodies behind the driver. For the 'Sydneyites', the Kombi would only climb Taverner's Hill (in 1st gear) with 12 on board.
Anyhow, I am humbly seeking the views from the more informed. Her requirements are: - Seats between 6 & 8. - Room in the back for two (scabby) dogs. - Some of the passengers may have physical limitations / disabilities. - Required to occasionally tow a small camping trailer. - Will be driven in a mixture of environments - Large Regional City, Highway and some trips to Melbourne. - Driver is 40+ years experienced and highly competent. - Fuel consumption important BUT not critical. - Reliability paramount. - Age around 5 or so years (price). The only point of reference I have is that friends own an 8 year old Tarago and they absolutely swear by it. I will be highly appreciative of any informed advice / opinion on the planned purchase. |
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Like you, I can't stand them, so I've ignored the "progress" of them.
Workmate has a VW multivan & loves it. He short listed the Hyundai IMAX, and Kia carnival as well, and spent ages deciding out of the 3. I guess it depends on their budget? A 5 year old van can vary greatly in price depending on brand, km & condition. A 7 seat territory would be my choice, but they need the additional space that the 7 seater loses. |
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I like how you added the scabby bit.
I dont think there are many people movers left these days. Most have gone to SUVs.The only one I have driven recently is a few year old Kia Carnival. That was fairly roomy. Honda Oddysey is another one and I think is slightly cheaper. An older option(05-10) is the Mitsubishi Grandis. |
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What's their price range?
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The Honda Odyssey is a wicked vehicle, but its let down by its engine and trans, its reliable though but slow. |
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Have a look at an i-Max. Try and look for a diesel - the petrol ones are pretty gutless.
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I would go with the Kia. Odyssey a close second. Then Toyota. But if the 2017 Chrysler Pacifica will be sold in Australia, then wait for that. If not, get the Kia!
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+1 for the Kia. I haven't moved people in one but I had one as a work vehicle for a project involving travel + hauling gear & it was great all-round.
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some poster dont read the budget range.
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There is no budget (5yo cars vary in price) - if not scared of gray imports Nissan El Grand or smaller Estima ( JDM Tarago) , locally Carnival or Voyager could be an option.
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One of these or nothing:
![]() Seriously, also not a big fan of them; and have found those that are really into them to be a breed apart. One bloke I knew had just been given a Falcon wagon as part of his package, and when I mentioned it would be useful for family touring, said he preferred his (4 cyl) Tarago for such duties, as the 'big van' really got up and commanded the highway, or something to that effect. ![]() Also recall a Kia 'Carnie' furiously trying to overtake my BA XR6T - again on the highway - he must have thought it was formidable force ![]() Last edited by Ford17; 17-03-2016 at 10:42 AM. |
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Alphard is very rarely imported as compared to Elgrand - main reason I didn't mention it , relative thing as both grey imports . Bonus points Elgrands can drift :-)
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Only the 'welcab' versions of Alphard and it's Vellfire twin can currently be imported - but that may suit seeing how you said some passengers may be disabled.
Think the V6 they use in the Alphard and Vellfire is same as Aurion. |
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No complaints at all with our C4 Picasso. Tdi does well and we are averaging ~6.1L/100.
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mitsubishi delica is another option but in your price range would probably be a late 90's model as the mid 2000's still fetch close to 25k
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not trying to be smart, just I saw this Yesterday, 10:50 PM #6 Default Re: People Movers Quote: What's their price range? Ideally in the $9K to $16K Range. This probably pushes it in the Mid 2000's Build Dates. Incidentally, my cursory research has identified a seemingly endless array of faults in the pre 2011 Kia Carnival; this was an obvious candidate.
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Ford falcon van? You mean ford econoline. What morphed into the e series van. I'd have one over a kombi any day. |
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You could probably buy 10 of them for the price of a Kombi these days
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I have a V6 Toyota tarago and having never been a people mover person the thing is great. I have the GLX with is 7 seats not 8 like the 4 cylinder tarago.
Great on fuel, plenty of go and I'd buy another one. Having been a Ford man all my life and never thinking I'd own/drive a people mover I cant complain with the tarago. Kia...avoid unless its the new model but that's not in your price range anyway
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The original was badged as a "Ford Falcon Club Wagon". It had the 144ci straight-six (falcon XM motor?), with option of a more powerful 170ci straight-six.
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I have been doing some research as well given we will be in the market for a people mover in the next few years.
I have driven the current shape Taragos, both 4 and 6 cylinder versions and can't fault them. Smooth, low maintenance. Pity the early 4 cylinders were mated with a 4 speed box, making them drink enough to wonder why you didn't go that little bit further to buy the 6. The only problem I have heard about the 2gr-fe v6 engines is that the water pumps tend to crap themselves at 100k and Toyota list that an an engine out job. You can do it by dropping the driver side engine mounts, but it is tight. And as with all transverse v6's the intake needs to be removed to access the coils and plugs. The 4's (2az-fe) had an issue with stripping head bolts early in their life. We own a 2003 Camry with the same engine with 200+k's and haven't had a problem. They do however chew oil. Piston rings get clogged up and regular flushing each oil change is required to keep the oil consumption down. Both issues are well documented. The older taragos/estimas with the 1mz-fe v6 is a reliable engine, but thirsty around town. The Kia's look nice and roomy. I believe the 3.8's are a Mitsubishi engine? Not sure about the newer 3.5's, but these were mated with a 6 speed box, so consumption will be improved. |
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