Version 2 of the NCOP VSB 14 released

bitsashiti · 05-01-2011, 06:51 PM

All the jurisdictions have agreed to have vesion 2 of the NCOP VSB 14 put on the feds website today.

Needs to be read, some nasty **** in the engine section LA3 especially.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa.../vsb_ncop.aspx :

Franco Cozzo · 05-01-2011, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bitsashiti

All the jurisdictions have agreed to have vesion 2 of the NCOP VSB 14 put on the feds website today.

Needs to be read, some nasty **** in the engine section LA3 especially.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa.../vsb_ncop.aspx :

Mandatory upgrades for pre ADR vehicles that
require certification under this Section of VSB 14
now include split or dual braking systems and
collapsible steering columns.

bitsashiti · 05-01-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

Mandatory upgrades for pre ADR vehicles that
require certification under this Section of VSB 14
now include split or dual braking systems and
collapsible steering columns.

Yep, and unless I read it wrong u cant put forced induction on a V8.

Doesnt fit the La1 table.

GTENVY · 05-01-2011, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bitsashiti

Yep, and unless I read it wrong u cant put forced induction on a V8.

Doesnt fit the La1 table.

From what the XB Gt example states, you can but the engine capacity can not be greater the 4671 cc. Its to do with vehicle mass.

barnz_xr8 · 05-01-2011, 09:58 PM

its not all bad news, now you can put a 570ci v8 in a ba gt (1870kg*5=9350cc=570ci)

HP-0351 · 06-01-2011, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GTENVY

From what the XB Gt example states, you can but the engine capacity can not be greater the 4671 cc. Its to do with vehicle mass.

285ci with a turbo or blower will be legal

There goes my thoughts on fitting the 451 with a pair of turbo's Legally!

Then again how many modded cars out there are really 100% legal...

However the 451 nat asp will be legit and that's cool

I noticed that nitrous is prohibited entirely, even partially installed systems! That sucks!

bitsashiti · 06-01-2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HP-0351

285ci with a turbo or blower will be legal

There goes my thoughts on fitting the 451 with a pair of turbo's Legally!

Then again how many modded cars out there are really 100% legal...

However the 451 nat asp will be legit and that's cool

I noticed that nitrous is prohibited entirely, even partially installed systems! That sucks!

Here in WA the nitrous policy was always enforced.

Also there is an industry in WA to put blowers on V8 Falcons and the 6 litre Commodores. My mate at the DPI tells me they get requests for as many as 6 per month and it was allowed under V1 of the NCOP so they passed them.
Dont know what will happen now.

flappist · 06-01-2011, 03:12 PM

Am I misreading this or does it actually say that all LSx powered commodores cannot be fitted with forced induction?

If so then there will be a lot of angry little bowties out there

bitsashiti · 06-01-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Am I misreading this or does it actually say that all LSx powered commodores cannot be fitted with forced induction?

If so then there will be a lot of angry little bowties out there

This is one of the major changes I have picked up between V1 and V2 of the NCOP, the LA1 table was never applied to the LA3 modifications, but it is now.

They put it in the LA3 checklist, so yeh no V8s outside the formula will be allowed like they were in V1 of the NCOP VSB 14.

bitsashiti · 12-01-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bitsashiti

All the jurisdictions have agreed to have vesion 2 of the NCOP VSB 14 put on the feds website today.

Needs to be read, some nasty **** in the engine section LA3 especially.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa.../vsb_ncop.aspx :

I also note they want evidence of suspension Mods to vehicles with ESP not affecting the operation of the stability package. Could mean lowering a car has to be done with a certified modification and an engineers report.

Nikked · 12-01-2011, 09:00 PM

Cliff notes?

Does this rule out engine swaps?

bitsashiti · 13-01-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Cliff notes?

Does this rule out engine swaps?

Not really you just need to stay within the guidelines.

Table LA1 Recommended Maximum Engine Capacity
MASS OF VEHICLE
Maximum Engine Capacity (refer to notes below)

All vehicles originally weighing
less than 800 kg.
Naturally Aspirated, Original mass (kg) x 3.0 = max. capacity in cc’s

Turbo/Supercharged =Original mass (kg) x 2.5 = max. capacity in cc’s

All vehicles originally weighing between 800 kg and 1100 kg.

Naturally Aspirated ,Original mass (kg) x 4.0 = max. capacity in cc’s

Turbo/Supercharged =Original mass (kg) x 2.75 = max. capacity in cc’s

All vehicles originally weighing more than 1100 kg.

Naturally Aspirated = Original mass (kg) x 5.0 = max. capacity in cc’s

Turbo/Supercharged= Original mass (kg) x 3.0 = max. capacity in cc’s

So if you say a BA is 1650kg then you can put a 8500cc engine in or if it blown its only 4950cc. So you cant do a V8 as a modification if its got forced induction.

HP-0351 · 13-01-2011, 12:03 PM

So are these guidlines national or are they to be used as a guide for each state-territory registration authority to make their own version? Doesn't seem clear on that front.

bitsashiti · 13-01-2011, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by HP-0351

So are these guidlines national or are they to be used as a guide for each state-territory registration authority to make their own version? Doesn't seem clear on that front.

Well there sort of national, all states except NSW.

QUOTE from NSW signatories bulletin.
"National code of practice for light vehicle modification and construction
Purpose
To advise persons registered as engineering signatories on the RTA’s Engineering Certificate System that Vehicle Standards Bulletin (VSB) 14 National Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Modification and Construction has been revised.
Introduction
The revised version of VSB 14 will be placed on the [Commonwealth] Department of Infrastructure and Transport website in early January 2011. This will replace the current version that has been on the website since 2006.
The revision was developed by a working group comprising representatives from all road authorities across Australia, including the Roads and Traffic Authority (RTA). It was subject to extensive consultation, including a three month period of public comment in 2009, and many engineering signatories made submissions on that draft.
The RTA is considering introducing VSB 14 to replace the current [NSW] Code of Practice for Light Vehicle Modifications. In order to do so, the requirements of VSB 14 must align with NSW vehicle legislation and accepted practises, and must not compromise road safety. The RTA is currently preparing a supplement to identify variations from VSB 14 that will apply in NSW. To facilitate this, the RTA would welcome advice from engineering signatories identifying items that should be included in the proposed supplement. Submissions will be discussed at a workshop in early February."

QIKESP · 13-01-2011, 01:20 PM

I had a good read of the V2 documents the other night and it looks as though they have left some room to manoeuvre with the LA1 table.

[font=Verdana', 'sans-serif]"Table LA1[/font][font=Verdana', 'sans-serif] Recommended[/font][font=Verdana', 'sans-serif] Maximum Engine Capacity"[/font]

I suppose that's left open to interpretation by the engineer who is certifying the car.

It's also interesting that the LA3 checklist (turbo and supercharging) only makes mention of a [font=Verdana', 'sans-serif]replacement [/font]engine needing to adhere to the LA1 table.

My interpretation of the LA3 is that a car originally fitted with a factory v8 can still be turbocharged without having to apply the LA1 table. It would still need to meet the required emissions standards applicable to the year of manufacture and the general engineering upgrades for the additional power.

bitsashiti · 13-01-2011, 04:09 PM

MODIFICATIONS NOT COVERED UNDER CODE LA3
The following is a summary of the modifications that may not be performed under Code LA3:
 Fitting of replacement engines already fitted with a turbocharger or supercharger by the
engine manufacturer (these are usually covered by Code LA2); and
 Fitting of turbochargers or superchargers that cause the vehicle not to meet the required gaseous emission standards.

Must be an error in the checklist

Scott · 13-01-2011, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bitsashiti

All vehicles originally weighing more than 1100 kg.

Naturally Aspirated = Original mass (kg) x 5.0 = max. capacity in cc’s

Turbo/Supercharged= Original mass (kg) x 3.0 = max. capacity in cc’s

So if you say a BA is 1650kg then you can put a 8500cc engine in or if it blown its only 4950cc. So you cant do a V8 as a modification if its got forced induction.

So a blown XY can only be 4l or less... you can supercharge a BA GT but not a BA XR8.

edit - I may have got lost in all the "1+2=7" but in LA3 it seems that you can exceed the size/power of the original engine with SC/T provided it is not the original engine.... talk about confusing.

bitsashiti · 17-01-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott

So a blown XY can only be 4l or less... you can supercharge a BA GT but not a BA XR8.

edit - I may have got lost in all the "1+2=7" but in LA3 it seems that you can exceed the size/power of the original engine with SC/T provided it is not the original engine.... talk about confusing.

Is confusing, cos fitting an engine with a turbo/ supercharger would be a performance engine and then it would come under LA2.

bitsashiti · 28-01-2011, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by barnz_xr8

its not all bad news, now you can put a 570ci v8 in a ba gt (1870kg*5=9350cc=570ci)

Yep and it lets the Ford guys supercharge their v8s but not the GMH boys.

1870 * 3 = 5610cc

**Revolver** · 29-01-2011, 12:19 AM

Ok, my head is spinning. After having a quick read of both whats on the link & what you guys have been saying, I have a question. Vas das all dis mean?

Maybe I am having a blonde moment. But I am tired....

bitsashiti · 31-01-2011, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Beast II

Ok, my head is spinning. After having a quick read of both whats on the link & what you guys have been saying, I have a question. Vas das all dis mean?

Maybe I am having a blonde moment. But I am tired....

Well here in WA there are companies that are going to need tofind another line of business.

The Falcon boys will fit the formula and the commodores over 5.7 will not make make it.

morziac · 31-01-2011, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bitsashiti

Well here in WA there are companies that are going to need tofind another line of business.

The Falcon boys will fit the formula and the commodores over 5.7 will not make make it.

Yeh i'd say Walkinshaw Performance will be slightly dissappointed with these regulations

4Vman · 31-01-2011, 07:16 PM

Interesting.... there will be some big ramifications out of this....

Bodes well if you own a Vehicle with Factory Forced induction though!!

This alone might sway some from the dark side into a GS or GT...

bitsashiti · 02-02-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by morziac

Yeh i'd say Walkinshaw Performance will be slightly dissappointed with these regulations

Marks workshop, Bill Lee, and who knows else.

morziac · 02-02-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bitsashiti

Marks workshop, Bill Lee, and who knows else.

yeh but at lest MWS and BIll Lee can still work on the fords that qualify, wat r Walkinshaw gonna do?? lol

4Vman · 02-02-2011, 08:59 PM

I wonder how much legal ownus will be placed back onto the fitter of the superchargers to comply with these laws?

In the case of Walkinshaw will they just keep fitting blowers and tell customers its on their heads? Can they "pass the buck" like that now??

Do Walkinshaw supply engineering certificates for their work currently anyway?

Sounds like some tough decisions for many...

FPV8U · 02-02-2011, 09:07 PM

Hrrm..Concerning

Where will these regulations leave people with already done modifications to such cars?

dude · 02-02-2011, 10:30 PM

you CAN supercharge or turbo any factory fitted,or optioned motor without the weight calculations, providing it doesn't lift out put by more than 20%.
(If it was a factory option and you add it later using all factory brackets, brakes etc, you don't even need to engineer it.)

IF you do a NON-FACTORY OPTION engine installation you MUST use the table to work out your maximum capacity.

easy as that.............

dude · 02-02-2011, 10:33 PM

If you already have started and DOCUMENTED (with an engineer) a conversion or build you can still finish it without any new rules affecting you
............

morziac · 02-02-2011, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dude

you CAN supercharge or turbo any factory fitted,or optioned motor without the weight calculations, providing it doesn't lift out put by more than 20%.(If it was a factory option and you add it later using all factory brackets, brakes etc, you don't even need to engineer it.)

IF you do a NON-FACTORY OPTION engine installation you MUST use the table to work out your maximum capacity.

easy as that.............

so basically its no real different to before then. How r they suppsoed to police this though? everyone has to carry dyno sheets to prove their power output? lol