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Autonomous vehicles are pioneering stuff at this stage. Take that poor guy in the Tesla that got confused by a reflection and ran him under a truck with fatal consequences.
They may be perfected in time but there's no way I would get in one at this point in time. |
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My biggest concern is the ethics they build into them... will it sacrifice me for the greater good (eg. drives me into a tree so as not to hit a number of people unlawfully on the road).
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Interesting that there was a vehicle operator behind the wheel and was unable to intervene to prevent the accident....
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We are told autonomous cars never get tired, distracted, drink alcohol or do anything wrong. But sometimes they just don't see things at all |
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I thought one of the major German's (Merc or Bimmer) were working on an ethic setting for their autonomous cars - something like a knob with settings from one to five, where 1 is "sacrifice me to save everyone else", while 5 is "kill them all if it will save me".
That not a thing? Need an annoyance knob too - just quietly go about your business, or have the autonomous car do key-bangers when passing cyclists. |
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First fully autonomous car death.
Meanwhile, in the US, 102 people die every single day due to motor vehicle accidents. I wonder if the pedestrian is at all to blame, ie, Jay walking, not looking both ways, etc. I mean, it’s not ALWAYS the car or drivers fault if a pedestrian is hit even in a regular car. |
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I would be interested to see dash cam footage of this incident. Something tells me there are two sides to this story.
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I'd like to think that if its out and about driving amongst all of us, it can tell how many of its seats are occupied |
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The longer this gets drawn out, the better.
They will never get it perfect, it will never work, its a god damn machine. Who takes responsibility of this? The programmer? The "driver"? Or do they lock the car up? Of all the things that science and technology could be doing right now, autonomous cars are hands down, the dumbest thing we can be working on. |
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I heard a self driving car expert on the radio today make a great point, it was that we seem to have this idea that a computer driving a car should do no wrong. The problem is you can’t program around physics, a driverless car is doing 90 on a highway and a pedestrian steps in front and gets killed, it’s not the cars fault. His point is we don’t know the circumstances around this crash, so shouldn’t demand the technology be banned.
How many pedestrians are killed worldwide every day on roads, we don’t ban all cars pending and investigation of how it happened. Danger and risk is all part of the world we live in.
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There is currently a debate about the level of self-preservation the software should display... https://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...ticle37803470/ |
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Not sticking up for autonomous cars , certainly no expert either but this won't stop them I reckon . When the Comet jet airliner hit the scene many decades ago it was the 'new thing' revolutionizing air travel massively from prop to jet travel.
Before long the Comet suffered mishaps and eventual catastophic crash and it turned out after a lot of investigation to be from metal fatigue primarily because of the shape of the passenger windows causing stress on the skin of the fuselage .. They fixed it and this led to more and more developments and improvements . I'm guessing as tragic as this is , the same will happen with these vehicles over the years . Pretty much all technology strikes problems . |
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Will never be perfect because nothing ever can be. But it’s a system in its infancy and I will 100% guarantee that they will eventually drive much much safer and with a fraction of the accidents of human drivers - if they don’t already drive safer than humans. Accidents WILL happen with autonomous vehicles, but accidents will always happen with human drivers, likely in much greater numbers. |
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Govt should wake up and write the laws on fault, ethics and insurance BEFORE these things are on the road...but what hope hope is there when uber is pulling the strings...
It is not like it is a surprise to anyone that these companies ignore rules. (I know they are legal in Arizona...I was referring to Australia) |
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Electric cars still aren't paying for road infrastructure.
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the rules will be pretty tight for some time I expect
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Im in favor of the development of this tech. Look at the facts. Their designed to take the safe option at all times. Computing power is always invreasing year on year. It is only a matter of time till these issues are sorted out. Tragic for all involved with this incident. Im sure after all investigations are completed there will be a learning outcome, and programming adjustments made. Thats what these tech companies do. They want to remove the human element as we are, by nature quite unstable. We push the envelopes at times. A computer will just do its next programmed parameter and follow THAT instruction. I love driving my cars. But there is a real future in the new technology as well. We all had better get used to it now as it will be here in our backyards within 5 years im sure.
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Why rush with these vehicles?
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How many regular cars are on US roads verse autonomous? I'm not say autonomous car are horrible, but some people put too much faith in them at these early stages. |
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They will logically probably drop the speed limits until they find a compromise between safety & speed with these dastardly autonomous vehicles lol.
Problem is why do human drivers potentially have to cop the same speed limits if it actually happens, a good human driver is better than a cyborg car imo. cheers, Maka
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Are you aware uber and other self driving vehicle manufacturers do not want the public to be allowed to own self driving vehicles...they want total control of everything. Latest news is the "cough" driver of the robo car was an ex felon as well. I seriously wonder how many free passes this company will get.... |
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http://ktar.com/story/1997617/tempe-...-driving-uber/
Video of the crash. Pretty damning for all of the sensors on board. |
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