Falcon V8 Supercar vs Large turboed RX7 *track video*

GTS_300_Coupe · 19-12-2005, 10:28 AM

V8 Pushrod Mullet Ownage

Its from the new high octane dvd if anybody is wondering.
Good track battle, wont spoil who wins though.

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Gammaboy · 19-12-2005, 03:14 PM

Fair fight... not!
V8 Super = 1350kg, with 11" wide rims, steel bodyshell (High centre of Gravity)
Sports Sedan with a 12A = under 1000kg with bigger rubber (Only bit steel is the roof skin and the door frames, the rest is fiberglass)

However, V8s built to the same set of rules absolutely Pwn the rotaries... 1000-1100kg with the same big rubber (possibly bigger under the cacity rules?) and 600+hp from 6.0l of grunt.....

19-12-2005, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gammaboy

Fair fight... not!
V8 Super = 1350kg, with 11" wide rims, steel bodyshell (High centre of Gravity)
Sports Sedan with a 12A = under 1000kg with bigger rubber (Only bit steel is the roof skin and the door frames, the rest is fiberglass)

However, V8s built to the same set of rules absolutely Pwn the rotaries... 1000-1100kg with the same big rubber (possibly bigger under the cacity rules?) and 600+hp from 6.0l of grunt.....

Dont forget the Rx has the engine mid-mounted.

4Vman · 19-12-2005, 03:31 PM

Where were they racing? a GoKart track?
The 10 year old V8Supercar was lucky to be able to use 450hp on that track..

Get a current SBR car,do it again at Sandown and give them 15 laps then lets see...

Steffo · 19-12-2005, 03:32 PM

Build them to the same set of rules (1350kg, 7500rpm limiter, 6spd manual etc = V8 Supercar) and see what would win. Plus it was only two laps....

Plus they're not far apart power/weight wise... that RX-7 = 450hp and 1000kg, 450hp/tonne. The EL V8 Supercar = 614hp and 1355kg, 455hp/tonne.

But yeah, try an SBR BA (634hp, 1355kg, 468hp/tonne) against the EL and see the massive performance difference...

Casper · 19-12-2005, 03:38 PM

put the V8 in the mazda's body. then race them. End of story. Rotories are fast, no doubt, but the v8 would just destroy it in the same shell.

Steffo · 19-12-2005, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

put the V8 in the mazda's body. then race them. End of story. Rotories are fast, no doubt, but the v8 would just destroy it in the same shell.

Exactly right. Give the rotary the 1350kg weight of the EL and the same 7500rpm limiter... and it wouldn't move. There is no parity in a comparison like this. The Mazda had a crutch in the form of restrictive regulations the V8 Supercar adheres to, which helped it win, and it was only two laps, the EL looked like it was running the RX-7 down.

Des · 19-12-2005, 03:45 PM

Always makes you laugh when they compare apples with oranges, then tell you that "X's" are better!
Sports Sedans are very very quick. I notice that they used quite an old V8 chassis. Would be much closer (possibly even swapped order) if they used a 2005 V8 Supercar chassis. That was Wakefield Park, very tight track. Awesome to watch racing at, you can see the whole track from almost any vantage point.
I remember Steve Johnson was competeing in both Sports Sedans and V8 Supercars years ago and took out a DJR Falcon (EL?) to compete at QLD Raceway. He finished around 7th I think. Not bad considering he was getting owned on the straights.
Those 2 rotaries are pretty quick, but get owned regularly by Ricciardello and the rest with their V8's.

Aeron · 19-12-2005, 03:49 PM

They should have the Ricciardallo V8 SportSedan there to show how a V8 will kick its ****.

Now THATS a car!!!

Casper · 19-12-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Aeron

They should have the Ricciardallo V8 SportSedan there to show how a V8 will kick its ****.

Now THATS a car!!!

Thats the one I was trying to think of. Been around for ages and just destroys the rotorys. That thing is amazing.. it would have won by a good 1/3 lap :P

xr8ute · 19-12-2005, 03:52 PM

Hi-Octane is very tounge in cheek guys, no need to get too worked up...lol

And restricting a chook-cooker to 7500rpm is like restricting a V8 to using only 6 spark plugs. I'd love to own that little rotory sports sedan, siiiik!!!

**Falcon Coupe** · 19-12-2005, 04:01 PM

Not a good comparison in IMO, a family sedan vs a sportscar is bs, try a Ford sportscar vs the Mazda :

gozza · 19-12-2005, 04:29 PM

haha lets see the iggnorant bash the rotaries

**Falcon Coupe** · 19-12-2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gozza

haha lets see the iggnorant bash the rotaries

Who is ignorant, i have not seen a rotary bash post yet, i can only see people suggesting what can beat such a fast little car.

Des · 19-12-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gozza

haha lets see the iggnorant bash the rotaries

I agree with Falcon Coupe, I don't think anyones bashed the rotaries. The 2 they used their are quick little cars, just not the quickest Sports Sedans/ TraNZAms out there.

M14A-Mclaren · 19-12-2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GTS_300_Coupe

V8 Pushrod Mullet Ownage

Its from the new high octane dvd if anybody is wondering.
Good track battle, wont spoil who wins though.

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Good job by not spoiling it in the link title, lol.

Gammaboy · 19-12-2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gozza

haha lets see the iggnorant bash the rotaries

Heres your award

Blue Oval Mopar Man · 19-12-2005, 04:50 PM

I love my V8's , but I have also had several rotary's as well and love em too !

Yep , they should have picked a fair fight! A chihuhua can aslo beat a pittbull in a fight ! If it gets stuck in the pittbulls throat and chokes it death!

Des · 19-12-2005, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Oval Mopar Man

Yep , they should have picked a fair fight! A chihuhua can aslo beat a pittbull in a fight ! If it gets stuck in the pittbulls throat and chokes it death!

LMFAO.... :hihi:

Thunder · 19-12-2005, 05:33 PM

Didn't you guys notice that the original rotary went KABOOM and they had to get another

Ryan · 19-12-2005, 05:49 PM

Yeah it wasnt really a fair race.

Put them at Bathurst or something and watch the V8 Supercar walk all over the Rotary.

superpursuit83 · 19-12-2005, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder

Didn't you guys notice that the original rotary went KABOOM and they had to get another

I thought they said alternator....

Anyway I reckon the V8 did a awsome job against the rotary. But they really need a few more laps and a couple of different tracks to prove anything

Bucknaked · 19-12-2005, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Where were they racing? a GoKart track?
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Wakefield. Just outside of Goulburn. You can pay to drive a few laps in that falcon.

FPV8U · 19-12-2005, 09:56 PM

Was a little unfair being on such a tight track, try PI or QR and it would be differn't but they wouldn't have liked the big V8 winning would they...

Mark351 · 19-12-2005, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucknaked

Wakefield. Just outside of Goulburn. You can pay to drive a few laps in that falcon.

Yeah, it's good fun - except when you slide off the track in the wet....

JC · 19-12-2005, 10:44 PM

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Yeah, it's good fun - except when you slide off the track in the wet....

Or chasing a WRX for 3 laps with less than 3 car lengths between us, and him passing everything on the twisties when you are only supposed to overtake on the straights. So, catching the WRX, I pass an ED XR6 on the back straight, and then doing 130km/h coming into the 60km/h hairpin onto the straight, the throttle jammed wide open, I tried to flick the car around the corner, but ended up through the sandtrap sideways at about 110km/h. Found angel gear so the car is bouncing off the rev limiter, then I rip on the handbrake (already had both feet on the foot brakes to little effect), and eventually stopped and shut her down in a cloud of dust less than a car WIDTH from the big retaining/safety wall. Still, after all that, I got the sand out of the tyres and went around again! Great fun.

As for the rotary - it won by a good 3 seconds or so. Any more laps, and it would just increase the margin. The big falc is too big and heavy through the twisty parts of the track. Garry's biggest mistake was going wide through the hairpin on the first lap - he should've let the rotary go around the outside (not possible). Once in front, the falc would stay in front.

GTS_300_Coupe · 19-12-2005, 10:55 PM

The first RX7 they showed (the one that got damaged driving off the track) would've eaten the falcon alive it had more power.

Steffo · 19-12-2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GTS_300_Coupe

The first RX7 they showed (the one that got damaged driving off the track) would've eaten the falcon alive it had more power.

Outright power doesn't equal performance around a race track. If it did... nothing would touch a Top Fueler... 8000hp must mean it'll be great around a track.

GTS_300_Coupe · 19-12-2005, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Outright power doesn't equal performance around a race track. If it did... nothing would touch a Top Fueler... 8000hp must mean it'll be great around a track.

No, but it certainly does help.
Especially in the RX7's case with its already superb handling.

Steffo · 19-12-2005, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GTS_300_Coupe

No, but it certainly does help.
Especially in the RX7's case with its already superb handling.

In what way does it help? A Mk1 Lotus Elise has 88kW of power, and it can outhandle many more powerful supercars even if it can't match them in a straight line. More power won't necessarily help it be faster around a track... it might very well make it uncontrollable around corners...

Power is secondary to chassis balance, suspension design etc. Plus, they both looked like tube-frame racecars to me (the V8 Supercar definitley is), so how the road car handles is a moot point, as the only thing they'd share in common is how the car looks.