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Good to see a new competitor on the block to the Land Cruiser 70 series:
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It gets a very positive reivew, this thing looks to be a good competitor to the Land Cruiser 70 series wagon, about similar pricing. Although I'm concerned over the choice of those engines, they spend so much time and effort ruggedising that vehicle, right down to the choice of recirculating ball steering rack, to then put BMW engines in it - not exactly known for their robustness ![]() They should have used a truck manufacturers light/medium duty diesel engine and then either the GM L8T or the Ford 7.3L V8 options I reckon for the unleaded job. |
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Has there been much chatter on its repairability? Field serviceability through to panel work. Does it have redundancies or safety modes for longer range recovery?
I’m impressed it has got this far, I would be tempted if shopping in that bracket. Although I’d rather the fellow behind it all had sunk the same coin into exact reproduction Phase IIIs. ![]() |
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They will be using the B57 (diesel) and B58 (petrol). The B57 is pretty much Bullet Proof & the B58 is the new 2JZ They are about as Robust as you can get? I think I posted an article about The Grenadier a while back, as I was impressed with the engine choice Put a B57 in a Thai special & it would be the best on the market.
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I read deeper than the linked article last night, out of curiosity. It’s interesting to note that a vehicle initially pitched as the nadir of “Britishness” by a Brexit cheerleader (its founder) has resorted out of necessity to making use of many European assets.
![]() My impression is that it’s going to be largely resident in the domain of up-spec’d soft roaders. Seems that diff locks, for example, are an option. I’d envisaged something that even in its most basic (cheapest) form could drag itself up to several hundred kilometres on two broken axles, with a torn brake hose and punctured radiator. Another article (that didn’t get a test drive) reckoned the rear seats were significantly less spacious for grownups, than the linked one did. I’m surprised there is no basic cab-chassis version, it would come closer to meeting the 79 Series head-on. The lack of a petrol V-engined “sporty” model to compete for aspirational AMG types, is probably a matter of budget right now but if Ineos muck around too long the aftermarket may resolve this, complete with R&P steering… |
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Toyota Australia has paused order-taking for the LandCruiser 70 Series as a customer-focussed measure, due to supply and demand factors that have resulted in extended wait times for customers 70 Series |
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They are still being delivered and some dealers have them in the yard.
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Interesting to note the B57(diesel) & B58(petrol) (and the S58) share the same block.
smart move to simplify things
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![]() I think its a horrible application for the type of vehicle it is, GM L8T or Ford 7.3L would have been ideal - these things are engines that will run on **** high sulfur fuel like 91 all day every day under high load, plus you know you'd have circa 80KW more under the bonnet. I reckon Cummins B6.7 Euro VI for the diesel variant. Also the LC70 crowd loves 8 cylinders, given we'd be a key market for this vehicle I'm not sure why they didn't give it more consideration. Maybe they got a good deal out of BMW. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 13-02-2023 at 03:14 PM. |
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Where is that Cummins built now?
Is it China? |
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Wondering how something like this might go, with the 4x4 8L90 though.
https://www.jegs.com/i/Chevrolet-Per...955K5/10002/-1 |
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https://poweredsolutions.gm.com/products/?filter=engine Check out their 'powered solutions' range of engines, there's plenty of interesting choices from GM. |
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Nope, still in The U.S.A. they were originally a Joint venture with CASE Farm equipment..
The ISF series are built in China with a Joint venture with FOTON https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummin...ressure%20pump. |
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that changes they whole dynamics You know our Police cars have the same engines, I cant even find any examples of engine failures on these things.
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![]() You'll find it in the RAM 2500 as well so its not exactly like its uncommon to see them in road going vehicles. Given Victoria Police changes over its cars at the 40,000km mark you'll be unlikely to find any with problems, give it some time though, once they're 5 years old and 150,000km on the clock you'll see why BMW was a poor choice for the Ineos Grenadier. If you're worried about the Cummins engine and its weight, go look at the steering rack the Ineos Grenadier has. |
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http://www.enginecummins.com/dongfen...ne-co-ltd.html But probably for their own purposes i came across this when looking at their military vehicles. Either way the Ineos Grenadier is going to be built in France. doubt they would get engines from china or the US
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Grenadier has recirculating ball steering like an early Falcon, doesn’t it?
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I'm a big fan of the fuse box and the batteries being under the rear seat, it all looks rather easy to get to although its limiting you to AGM batteries rather than traditional lead acid jobs because the batteries being inside the cabin. Also the switches on the roof are great, kind of like the new Ranger and its overhead switch panel allowing you to very easily add extra accessories to the car right off the factory floor.
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Mmmm, cant see a lot of success here YET, for this vehicle. As to it being a 79 Series challenger, just go have a look at every & i mean every rubbish dump in regional Aussie. Just loaded up with 79 Series parts.
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To be fair even the Brits wouldn't want it built by a Brummie with a landy box
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I’m sure they will reclaim its nationality somehow. Maybe a free oil leak and some iffy wiring to the lights.
Or it comes with chip butty and an “Ey up me duck” T-shirt. |
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