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Have to admit, I'm looking forward to a Inline 6 and RWD Mazda.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...in-2022-report "Both the 6 and CX-5 replacements will be underpinned by the previously confirmed Large Architecture and offer inline-six power............. "..........Displacing 3.0 or 3.3 litres, the new inline-six engines petrol and diesel engines will be available with 48V mild-hybrid and plug-in hybrid technology."
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I’m sure Mazda will be really happy about supplier employees leaking info about Powertrain plans (if true).
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6 cylinder large RWD sedans??? No-one wants them anymore! - Well thats what we kept getting told about Falcon and Commodore? ****ing ironic isn't it...
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I might be interested in a luxury top-spec four seat 'Atenza LE' (like the latest CX-9 Azami LE).
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Could this be the closest to a Territory replacement as the Kluger is FWD biased as I imagine the new Jeep GC's will be more expensive when they finally release details on the all-new "short wheelbase" version?
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A luxury RWD sedan with a 186 and 202 cubic inch in-line six cylinder. Name suggestion, Mazda 'Premier'.
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The difference here is the Mazda Cx-9 and 6 sedan are internationally sold. Also if true, reports suggest Toyota will also be using the inline diesel so you have a much larger production volume and maybe even Toyota money for R&D.
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Depends what sort of power they make i guess. And what the styling looks like. Not really a fan of their current looks.
If they could somehow make it sort of look like a bigger 4 door FD RX7, then yes please. |
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Mazda knew RWD was better in 1979 with the 626.
It took all this time to go full circle. ![]()
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RWD isn't the (whole) story. Mazda kept rwd for MX, RX, truck, utes, vans etc.
Anyway, this was news months ago, but I have to point out I would be less suprised with them announcing their first ever v8. That would make more sense for packaging reasons, or even easy cylinder de-activation. Big story is them doing an i6 (forget the RWD part for now). I wonder what they see in it? They've never ever done a i6 before, only v6. And of course they could easily do a FWD v6 and keep in their comfort zone. Big risk as mazda hasn't ever done an i6, and there's all sorts of downsides of it - longer bonnet, worse crash protection I expect unless passenger room suffers, requirement for rwd. All of this adds massive cost and compromise so I wonder what they see in it for a modern car? Toyota and nissan dropped the i6 ages ago, same for merc and I feel bmw waning (they started with 4s, have a new drive for v8s, they're losing i6 love I think but keep them around for uniqueness/marketing only). Don't forget toyota made one of the best i6s from japan in the past and even they had to recently refer to BMW on how to do a modern i6. Yet mazda has never done one before - the rwd isn't the big deal - though necessary for an i6. Of course I love it - I love the i6 (why I have fords and bmws) also mazdas attitude to experimentation and innovation. I think they want to take on BMW and the rest of the euros if they make a modern day i6 for sure. Last edited by oldel; 14-02-2021 at 12:34 AM. |
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Every time I think of a man trans I think of that style. Every time I see some USA or euro man trans that is a shoebox sized thing with a remote shifter and external linkages and levers it blows my mind. Every single time. I don't get it and never will. I can't deprogram myself from what a mazda/toyota 1970s transmission looks like and how they work. At first I thought only US transmissions were weird with external shifters and remote shifter, but then I found out euro one were the same. So weird and crazy to me - but I spent so many years spoilt with internal shifting mazda gearboxes. I don't get how everyone else makes their gearboxes so small they don't reach the shifter position, then make everything external so bushes, linkages, dirt/wear etc stuffs up the feel. It's alien to me, but I guess make boxes as small as possible and invite an aftermarket shifter part industry was a normal policy (outside of mazda cars I guess.) Still blows my mind every time I see a non mazda/celica 1970s gear box, I can't unlearn those expectations for some reason. E: this is the gearbox I grew up with, it's a mazda rx5 5 speed I put into rx3s and rx4s I had. ![]() It replaced 4 speeds but the gearbox/shifter was also in the extension housing on them too. There's the little middle section for the 5th gear before the extension housing for 5th, so you had to move the motor forward or something before installing a 5 speed in an old car - the only downside of the built in shifter I guess. Reverse mount a 12A engine mount for your 13b 5spd upgrade IIRC But man gearboxes that don't look like this do my head in, it's all I knew for a decade before buying auto i6s Last edited by oldel; 14-02-2021 at 04:15 AM. |
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Discontinue I6 because of cost and design factors. Bring I6 back due to modularity and cost saving ability I'd say this was always possible, just that no one thought outside the box about it in finance ![]() |
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Ford to build a new large sedan with an inline 4ltr six, called the Eagle? Nah, just being sarcastic.
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Mazda building a inline six with RWD as the replacement for Mazda6 is not that big of a secret. It has been out in the news for at least three years now. Plenty of magazines have covered the Mazda I6 with RWD story.
What I hope Mazda does is build something similar to the Vision concept they showed in 2018. That with I6 turbo (petrol) in RWD will have me very interested to add to my current fleet of three Mazda's. ![]() |
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Who remembers the reports (not sure how exaggerated) of when Alan Mullaly joined Ford and found out they made a ridiculous amount of mock-ups of dashboard designs for the F series? |
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I6 and RWD is premium, us Ford fans knew it all along...
JLR 3.0 I6s, this Mazda I6, Merc - happy times Maybe Mazda can call it the Roadpacer in honour of the HJ
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The more I think about it, Ford Australia had something really special, and binned it.
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Makes you wonder why another manufacturer didn't buy the IP for the I6T? Someone with links to Ford should have purchased the IP to keep the I6T alive and develop it even further. Imagine if Mazda had purchased the rights to the 4.0 I6 and the new soon to be released RWD Mazda6 MPS was powered by a SkyActiv-X Barra! That would be something special. ![]() |
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The cheap 4dr family car spec i6 RWD is not what ford parent company or even buyers wanted. Would have been great in a performance coupe though, but australia doesn't make any. Ford tried hard with the territory to keep the barra alive too. Would have been good in a luxo barge, but no one buys domestic luxo barges (don't sell well enough to keep a company in business) But ford australia did right by the barra and knew what they had from the dinosaur. Most of us here know, most of the world is finding out as well. Heap of USA interest, even some in europe. Pity the block is so tall it makes fitment difficult in most cars. |
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Yes it was more a binning on behalf of Ford head office in the US
If only they'd done the exact opposite, back in 2006 https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...save-ford-now/ All the great I6s being produced now is also bittersweet to Aussie Ford fans...
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With all due respect to the Barra, it was a mighty fine engine, but it was just far too big and heavy to have a place anywhere else in the Ford empire.
The engine was taller and longer than more modern designs which would have compromised stricter crash and pedestrian safety scores. And the weight of the extra strong block was not acceptable in modern day weight optimization. It died with dignity in the Falcon. I would be appalled if it was sold off to a Chinese car company and re-appeared in something very much not a Falcon.
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CGI probably would have got a look in further down the track, but I have no idea if the process required to cast CGI blocks could have been done at the casting plant, or whether it required a foundry set up specifically to do it. I very much agree with you regarding it not ending up in something chinese. That would have been heart breaking. |
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