F150 Clone

[malazn mafia]

http://www.offroadxtreme.com/news/ch...ing-auto-show/





^And they even acknowledged the 'source' of their inspiration.

Front doesn't look bad at all. But the rear resembles a Great Wall.

[Franco Cozzo]

I'd give it a crack, as long as it was like the Foton Tunland and had big name driveline

Chinese ute with Cummins ISF, Getrag box, Borgwarner transfer case, DANA axles and diffs can you really go wrong?

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

I'd give it a crack, as long as it was like the Foton Tunland and had big name driveline

Chinese ute with Cummins ISF, Getrag box, can you really go wrong?

With respectable names like ZF6HP21 rolling out of China these days, improved knockoffs of new designs, and stuff-all being done about intellectual property.. it really makes you wonder what they may be rolling out in a few short years' time. The day the Chinese effectively copy nissan VR38DETT motors, 4B11T (lancer evo motors), Getrag boxes, or why not Ford Coyote motors.. there will be a lot of fun disposable toys to play with

[Franco Cozzo]

http://fotonmotors.com.au/foton/nv_p...1&name=Tunland

Theres the link to the Foton, thats what it has under the hood, its sold in our market too:

http://fotonmotors.com.au/ssl/CMS/fi...eBrochure_.pdf

I welcome our new Chinese Vehicle overlords, those big name items aren't cheap copies either.

They can do the body and interior, just chuck the good stuff in under the hood lol.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

http://fotonmotors.com.au/foton/nv_p...1&name=Tunland

Theres the link to the Foton, thats what it has under the hood, its sold in our market too:

http://fotonmotors.com.au/ssl/CMS/fi...eBrochure_.pdf

I welcome our new Chinese Vehicle overlords.

They can do the body and interior, just chuck the good stuff in under the hood lol.

Cool, never seen one before. Pity about the design. F150 styling ftw, and Toy Thailux might have some competition and Fraud aus might start to have some trouble shifting its Thai rangers.

If the Chinese began to build cars like the way the clone-computers came about: e.g. Generic chassis of all different styles, and find a way to adapt and fit in the latest and greatest tech from around the world with the massive buying power that even Germany couldn't say no to, they could be on to a winner...

Didn't China recently buy out BTR/ION in Australia? Maybe they should buy out the Ford I6 blueprints too and let the mighty beasts roam the vast rice paddies of China, or power remote villages where emissions laws don't count.



Is someone already cloning the I6? Stumbled across this GSG-640 Motor (chinese?) that looks curiously like a BA Falcon engine

[Franco Cozzo]

They've pretty much taken electronics manufacturing off the other Asian countries like Taiwan/Thailand.

Apple has a big manufacturing centre there so their products are also coming out of China.

I don't see why they can't do a decent car to be honest, look at how far Hyundai have come in the last 20 years, except China might be able to do it in 10 and they clearly don't give a rats *** about copying people, didn't Japan start out the same way with their cars? Now look at them.

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Cool, never seen one before. Pity about the design. F150 styling ftw, and Toy Thailux might have some competition and Fraud aus might start to have some trouble shifting its Thai rangers.

Pfft ...

I know if I was in the market for a 4WD ute, the Ranger would get the nod every day of the week, because it's a Ford. Competition from Chinese knock-offs? That'd be the day ...

Originally Posted by Big Damo

except China might be able to do it in 10 and they clearly don't give a rats *** about copying people.

That is precisely why I would never, ever buy a Chinese made car, especially one that's so obviously a knock-off.

Screw them. I hold counterfeiters in as much disdain as pirates.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by NX74205

Pfft ...

Competition from Chinese knock-offs? That'd be the day ...

Everyone was saying the same thing about the Hyundai Excel when it first came out, or Kia's first entrance into our market, "Ford" Festiva. What a joke Koreans were back in the 90s with their crap cars.

Our Festiva is still kicking along, 275,000km on the clock.

Built by Kia, Mazda engine, Ford badge

Still plenty of WF Festivas and Hyundai Excels on the road and the new generation, Hyundai i30 is quite popular.

China is coming of age, and they're getting better by the day.

[Mighty Reds]

Is this the mob who had a Raptor there to compare their knock off with?.

[ebv8]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Cool, never seen one before. Pity about the design. F150 styling ftw, and Toy Thailux might have some competition and Fraud aus might start to have some trouble shifting its Thai rangers.

If the Chinese began to build cars like the way the clone-computers came about: e.g. Generic chassis of all different styles, and find a way to adapt and fit in the latest and greatest tech from around the world with the massive buying power that even Germany couldn't say no to, they could be on to a winner...

Didn't China recently buy out BTR/ION in Australia? Maybe they should buy out the Ford I6 blueprints too and let the mighty beasts roam the vast rice paddies of China, or power remote villages where emissions laws don't count.

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Is someone already cloning the I6? Stumbled across this GSG-640 Motor (chinese?) that looks curiously like a BA Falcon engine

NOTHING IS SAFE FROM CHINESE KNOCK OFFS
http://test.ai-engines.com/dd-files/GSG640_Spec.pdf

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by ebv8

NOTHING IS SAFE FROM CHINESE KNOCK OFFS
http://test.ai-engines.com/dd-files/GSG640_Spec.pdf

You do realise that it is actually a genuine Ford built engine don't you. Ford have supplied these over the last 10 years or so to be used as generators. They are not knock offs but the real deal.

[SLO247]

That's amazing. Wonder what the go is with the low power and torque figures? Something to do with a different tune for longevity/noise/emissions/economy perhaps.

[Franco Cozzo]

Seems a bit odd using an engine with tech like DOHC for a generator engine as well?

Low power figure I'm guessing probably because it would only be turning around 3000 RPM rather than the 5+ that the one in our cars are rated for?

[mik]

it would make a good generator, im a bit surprised they would buy one over a diesel though, petrol must be cheap compared to diesel.

The knock of f series actually looks pretty good, but looks can be deceiving .

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Everyone was saying the same thing about the Hyundai Excel when it first came out, or Kia's first entrance into our market, "Ford" Festiva. What a joke Koreans were back in the 90s with their crap cars.

Our Festiva is still kicking along, 275,000km on the clock.

Built by Kia, Mazda engine, Ford badge

Still plenty of WF Festivas and Hyundai Excels on the road and the new generation, Hyundai i30 is quite popular.

China is coming of age, and they're getting better by the day.

Some of the Chinese manufacturers will get to a global standard of quality and innovation. Most of them though, have no regard to the rest of the industry and will continue doing what theyre already going.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by SLO247

That's amazing. Wonder what the go is with the low power and torque figures? Something to do with a different tune for longevity/noise/emissions/economy perhaps.

They would run it at it's most efficient rpm, or most efficient torque rpm, that's why the graph is only showing 3200 rpm. Being a generator you don't want the thing revving it's nuts off.

And obviously they can't run the thing at peak rpm for days on end.

[SLO247]

Makes sense.

[gossy]

107hp?

[snowcone]

There wouldn't be a market for knock-offs if the existing car networks had not been ripping us off for so many years with their over-inflated pricing to Australia.
Anyone with an American car in Aus knows they can get parts direct from US at well below half Aus price.
Look at Gerry Harvey screaming about internet sales killing his whitegoods and computer sales but he had a good run with his overpriced goods too.
Well GM and Ford had a great run here too but they can kiss their sales goodbye because they have priced themselves out of the market by screwing us over.
Bring on the Chinese cars yeah!

[Blueford260]

Originally Posted by snowcone

There wouldn't be a market for knock-offs if the existing car networks had not been ripping us off for so many years with their over-inflated pricing to Australia.
Anyone with an American car in Aus knows they can get parts direct from US at well below half Aus price.
Look at Gerry Harvey screaming about internet sales killing his whitegoods and computer sales but he had a good run with his overpriced goods too.
Well GM and Ford had a great run here too but they can kiss their sales goodbye because they have priced themselves out of the market by screwing us over.
Bring on the Chinese cars yeah!

Snowcone you go in to business and show us all how to do it!!

[2011G6E]

The low power and torque is probably because for the local market they don't need expensive high powered cars for the masses. Foreign models would, of course, be very different. Look back years to the TE/TF Cortinas...in England they came out normally with the tiny little Kent 1300 engine and Pommies found that perfectly acceptable for their needs, but the "smallest" they were produced here in Australia with was the two liter SOHC engine, which in England was "the biggest engine" and not seen much except occasionally in top end models.

Sorry, but honestly, making cars is not rocket science...if you have a massive country with a population of over a billion and a half, with staggeringly huge manufacturing capabilities, then of course you can throw out product of good quality at a cheapish price.

People seem to think there is something magical and mystical about being able to build a car in your country...there isn't. It's a mechanical product like anything else, and as long as the steel is of reasonable quality (and even Aussie stuff is made of thin stuff these days), the mechanicals are of decent design (or copies of decent designs) then that's all there is to it.

The Chinese have been coming ahead in leaps and bounds. I always wondered if they were going to be the "next big thing" in cars. First we had Japan, with people knocking their vehicles, and they took a long time to be accepted and to get a good reputation. The next wave was the Koreans, with exactly the same critisisms about their cars, and they took a much shorter time to pick their act up and be accepted.
Now it's the Chinese, and the "acceptance" and quality rate is progressing with them even faster again than the other two countries. As a country learns what it's customers want and demand, they improve, and if there's one thing Chinese manufacturing does well, it's quickly modify things to suit customers wishes.

Be interesting to see what they come up with in five to ten years time...

[snowcone]

Originally Posted by Blueford260

Snowcone you go in to business and show us all how to do it!!

You do your sums on cost, you control your overheads, you review your opposition in regard to quality and price, then you market your product competitively and win over market share.
Alternatively as a car manufacturer in Australia, you just mark up your costs 200% to 300% and then cry to the government of the day that the imports are
too cheap and ask for handouts and tariffs

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by snowcone

You do your sums on cost, you control your overheads, you review your opposition in regard to quality and price, then you market your product competitively and win over market share.
Alternatively as a car manufacturer in Australia, you just mark up your costs 200% to 300% and then cry to the government of the day that the imports are
too cheap and ask for handouts and tariffs

Don't forget to blame wages...goddamn those workers for expecting to be paid for their skilled work!

[Blueford260]

Originally Posted by snowcone

You do your sums on cost, you control your overheads, you review your opposition in regard to quality and price, then you market your product competitively and win over market share.
Alternatively as a car manufacturer in Australia, you just mark up your costs 200% to 300% and then cry to the government of the day that the imports are
too cheap and ask for handouts and tariffs

If they were making 200-300% from cars made in Australia why would they be closing down?

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Don't forget to blame wages...goddamn those workers for expecting to be paid for their skilled work!

Yep the only way to get ahead or stay profitable in Aus is do everything yourself, work yourself to the bone and have no life and push as much money through the business as possible at 30% tax. The moment you start hiring is where you bleed through payroll tax, minimum wage laws, etc etc