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Old 06-06-2008, 11:50 AM   #1
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Default Holden putting off 500 workers in Melb.
Holden are putting 500 workers off at it's Fishermans Bend plant in Melbourne at the end of next year.

Looks like declining sales are hitting hard at Holden.
Feel sorry for the 500 workers

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Old 06-06-2008, 12:03 PM   #2
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They announced retrenching 1400 workers in 2005, retrenching workers in 2006, 2007 and of course 2008.

They've been retrenching since the Holden and Frost merger and it won't be the last.
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Old 06-06-2008, 12:24 PM   #3
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lets see what the media makes of this, as when Ford chose to shut the Geleong engine
plant it was all "the sky is falling" doom and gloom
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Old 06-06-2008, 01:34 PM   #4
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Holden are putting 500 workers off at it's Fishermans Bend plant in Melbourne at the end of next year.

Looks like declining sales are hitting hard at Holden.
Feel sorry for the 500 workers
Probably the G8 manufacturing business being shifted to the US?



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Old 06-06-2008, 02:06 PM   #5
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Default Holden cut 500 jobs and 4cyl engine
Interesting times when Holden are no longer going to make a 4cyl engine.

Does anyone know what car these went into?

http://www.news.com.au/business/stor...18-462,00.html
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Old 06-06-2008, 02:12 PM   #6
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The Family II Engine. It should have been killed off in the 80's, however according to Wikipedia, the Family II Engine was used in:

Chevrolet Optra
Chevrolet Evanda
Suzuki Reno
Suzuki Forenza

Other models
1.6 L - Daewoo Kalos, Daewoo Gentra, Chevrolet Aveo
1.8 L - Chevrolet Lacetti, Chevrolet Nubira, Chevrolet Rezzo
C24SE, *2.4 L SOHC - Isuzu Rodeo
2.4 L DOHC - Chevrolet Captiva, Opel Antara

Are they still going to be making the Alloytec engine?
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Old 06-06-2008, 05:33 PM   #7
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I didn't even know Holden still built 4 cylinder engines.
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Old 06-06-2008, 06:02 PM   #8
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I didn't even know Holden still built 4 cylinder engines.
Yeah thats news to me as well...
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Only the Family2 foundry is affected, V6 continues as normal......
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I didn't even know Holden still built 4 cylinder engines.

I didn't know holden still built engines!
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Oh they build them, they don't design them, they just build them.
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The Family II Engine. It should have been killed off in the 80's, however according to Wikipedia, the Family II Engine was used in:

Chevrolet Optra
Chevrolet Evanda
Suzuki Reno
Suzuki Forenza

Other models
1.6 L - Daewoo Kalos, Daewoo Gentra, Chevrolet Aveo
1.8 L - Chevrolet Lacetti, Chevrolet Nubira, Chevrolet Rezzo
C24SE, *2.4 L SOHC - Isuzu Rodeo
2.4 L DOHC - Chevrolet Captiva, Opel Antara

Are they still going to be making the Alloytec engine?
What you are saying is Holden's Korean range of sleeper performance vehicles that replaced the Euro trash.
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Are they still going to be making the Alloytec engine?
yes but allso be out sourced to "lon" engineering.
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X2 lol


is this the engine that the barina or something uses?
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good one! they never have!
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They were still making Camiras too, they just called them Daewoos...........

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Reading the article i is only the 4cyl plant. My guess becaus it closes at the end of 2009 it is the same reason Ford is not going to make the inline 6. New emmission regs.
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Reading the article i is only the 4cyl plant. My guess becaus it closes at the end of 2009 it is the same reason Ford is not going to make the inline 6. New emmission regs.
Is the new emissions regs the reason why ford are not making the straight 6 anymore???
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Is the new emissions regs the reason why ford are not making the straight 6 anymore???
Yes that and the hole Global platform stuff i believe, A Falcon without a straght 6 how sad.
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Yes that and the hole Global platform stuff i believe, A Falcon without a straght 6 how sad.
Agreed 100%. Falcon without a straight six is like earth with no oxygen.
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Very sad. Not only because of how reliable these moters are but because no other manufacturer uses them. They are all V6's.
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Catch 22. people buy cheap so they can buy more. Cheap comes from China.

everyone needs to manufacture in china to compete because people buy cheap thus consumers lose their jobs so they HAVE to buy cheap to live.

Nobody wants to be the one that spends a little more.

And Perth is a lame tourist destination so we'd be doubly f*ked in that situation. Seriously we have some buildings, and some suburbs. And if you dont mind a lot of travel... a curvy rock.
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This has been on the cards for years, Holden and its employees were all aware it was just a matter of when. The Family II engine is as old as the hills and was only ever going to stay into production until it was replaced by more high tech engines. Once no one needed it anymore it was just a case of shut up shop.
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yes but allso be out sourced to "lon" engineering.
Ion engineering?? The Alloytec V6 is currently, and will continue to be, fully assembled in the Port Melbourne engine facility.
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Ion engineering?? The Alloytec V6 is currently, and will continue to be, fully assembled in the Port Melbourne engine facility.
your not shure of who lon's is?
they make the ford zf gearbox, the diff for the holden, alloytec when holden cant keep up with demand.
and soon to make tha diff for ford, maybe.
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your not shure of who lon's is?
they make the ford zf gearbox, the diff for the holden, alloytec when holden cant keep up with demand.
and soon to make tha diff for ford, maybe.
They don't make the ZF auto, it comes direct from ZF in Germany. Its the 4 speed that they make.
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Well, haven't been called Ion for 3-4 years. They are called Drivetrain System Internationale.

The gearbox is made in 4,5,6 & 7 speed. The 4,5 & 6 all fit in the 4 spd case!
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There was a massive media uproar when Ford announced the closure in 2-3years time of the engine plant & redeployment to the Focus program.

This Holden loss of 500 jobs, with almost no redeployment. Media blip. Nothing. Previous job losses resulting in thousands. Nothing. Media's favourite.
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They don't make the ZF auto, it comes direct from ZF in Germany. Its the 4 speed that they make.
my info "if" correct they make under licence.
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