Fastest Turbo Manual Ba-FG turbo

[Paul@eliteauto]

On Saturday 27th of March, I was given the great honour of driving this beast of a car at willowbank.
Not driven a manual at the strip for quite some time and never anything with slicks and front runners!
880 horses at the rear wheels and standard IRS set up was a little daunting to say the least.
First run was a 12.0 at 136 mph to feel it out.
Second pass the heater hose behind the dump pipe blew and had me sideways at half track at over 100 mph! Still managed 11.82 @ 127 mph.
Last pass 1.9 sixty foot and I short shifted 3rd I think and ran a 11.04@137 mph.
video
11.04 pass
11.82 getting loose half track on coolant

Talk about a blast!

Cheers Paul

[SpoolMan]

Well done totally awesome time for a manual, nail the start and the 10 is yours easy.

[HEMI POWER]

Originally Posted by Paul@eliteauto

On Saturday 27th of March, I was given the great honour of driving this beast of a car at willowbank.
Not driven a manual at the strip for quite some time and never anything with slicks and front runners!
880 horses at the rear wheels and standard IRS set up was a little daunting to say the least.
First run was a 12.0 at 136 mph to feel it out.
Second pass the heater hose behind the dump pipe blew and had me sideways at half track at over 100 mph! Still managed 11.82 @ 127 mph.
Last pass 1.9 sixty foot and I short shifted 3rd I think and ran a 11.04@137 mph.
video
11.04 pass
11.82 getting loose half track on coolant

Talk about a blast!

Cheers Paul

Top effort especially in a manual.

[Micksxboxmods]

Originally Posted by Paul@eliteauto

On Saturday 27th of March, I was given the great honour of driving this beast of a car at willowbank.
Not driven a manual at the strip for quite some time and never anything with slicks and front runners!
880 horses at the rear wheels and standard IRS set up was a little daunting to say the least.
First run was a 12.0 at 136 mph to feel it out.
Second pass the heater hose behind the dump pipe blew and had me sideways at half track at over 100 mph! Still managed 11.82 @ 127 mph.
Last pass 1.9 sixty foot and I short shifted 3rd I think and ran a 11.04@137 mph.
video
11.04 pass
11.82 getting loose half track on coolant

Talk about a blast!

Cheers Paul

Hi Paul great effort.

With a MPH like that, I seriously think it should be good for much lower E/T's, especially at Willowbank(as is a quicker track than most in Oz)

Keep us updated of future times as I reckon you wil be in the 9's(with slicks) or decent 10's as you have the power, maybe just with experience and talking to the other guys out there(which they will do anyway), will see some outstanding times.

Regards
Mick

[TruBlu351]

137mph with an 11!!....you much be getting sledgehammered once it hooks up off the line! Good stuff!

What clutch is he running in this thing?

[Quadcams]

Well done Paul, she must be a handfull being a manual.

[JINSAY]

nice stats mate

[tweeked]

What a jet! Some good driving to get a manual out that quickly.

Not many people appreciate how hard a car that you cannot just floor off the line is to get a good time out of!!

[Paul@eliteauto]

The clutch is a Mal Wood special twin plate. Ring Mal for specs as I cant recall exact spec.
Thanks for the nice words and the thing is like driving a bolt of lighting. Things happen extremely quickly. The way it accelerates up top is bloody awesome.

Cheers Paul

[xr6t8u]

Great effort Paul, and very close to a 10.
Top end acceleration in the big powered manual is very enjoyable, and compensates for the frustration of relatively slow gear changes. fyi in my 138mph run in my manual I went from 91mph half track to 138mph full track, and that was on Toyo street tyres.
Maybe you can talk Spiro into giving you another shot at it?
Brian

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by xr6t8u

Great effort Paul, and very close to a 10.
Top end acceleration in the big powered manual is very enjoyable, and compensates for the frustration of relatively slow gear changes. fyi in my 138mph run in my manual I went from 91mph half track to 138mph full track, and that was on Toyo street tyres.
Maybe you can talk Spiro into giving you another shot at it?
Brian

You got a timeslip for that? Not being smart or calling you on it Brian, but 47mph in the back half is almost unbelievable to most people, i'd like to see the 660' time vs the time to full track down to the x.xxx seconds, so I can compare it to the mere 34mph "back half gain" that my 507rwkw effort yielded last year...... I know at 91mph you have a lot more time to cover the last 660', but 47 mph is huge!

Daniel

[xr6t8u]

Sure have, and I fully understand your comment. A lot of other people were surprised also. It was witnessed by quite a few people, and my very first run in the car at the drags, video posted, and I accidentally dabbed the brake on the 3-4 gear change.
Wsid 8/3/2008
91.56 mph half tack ---- 8.704 secs (very slow, but poor burnout)
138.51 mph at full track --- 12.5 secs

I probably had a lot more than 500rwkw with the C16.
However, I think I had already got into 4th before half track, so would have been at around 4400 rpm in 4th ,for 91mph, so didn't have a gear change in 2nd half track, and simply revved it out in 4th to around 7000rpm at full track for 3.812 seconds. I can rev to around 7400.
Two runs later that night I tried revving out 3rd gear to have 105mph at half track, and 0.6 secs quicker to ½ track, but my full track mph was only 135.85mph. My gear changes weren’t that fast, as it was a testing night, and probably lost a lot of momentum on the 3-4 change. 60’ times were around 2.2 seconds.
Brian

[TruBlu351]

Just FYI, a good rule of thumb for working out "optimum" ET vs MPH is 1320/mph.

Just goes to show how much more ET you get get out a car with traction and suspension all working together......and parts holding together

ie: 1320/138 = 9.5

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by xr6t8u

Sure have, and I fully understand your comment. A lot of other people were surprised also. It was witnessed by quite a few people, and my very first run in the car at the drags, video posted, and I accidentally dabbed the brake on the 3-4 gear change.
Wsid 8/3/2008
91.56 mph half tack ---- 8.704 secs (very slow, but poor burnout)
138.51 mph at full track --- 12.5 secs

I probably had a lot more than 500rwkw with the C16.
However, I think I had already got into 4th before half track, so would have been at around 4400 rpm in 4th ,for 91mph, so didn't have a gear change in 2nd half track, and simply revved it out in 4th to around 7000rpm at full track for 3.812 seconds. I can rev to around 7400.
Two runs later that night I tried revving out 3rd gear to have 105mph at half track, and 0.6 secs quicker to ½ track, but my full track mph was only 135.85mph. My gear changes weren’t that fast, as it was a testing night, and probably lost a lot of momentum on the 3-4 change. 60’ times were around 2.2 seconds.
Brian

Thanks for taking the time to explain the pass Brian, and also for not doing what so many tend to, and jump down my throat for asking a question on what can often be a touchy subject (timeslips : ). The reasoning you have given for the pass (being in 4th already) being what it was and how it differed on a subsequent run (105/136) makes perfect sense and is exactly in line with my expectation on such a car/engine/trans combo.

Thanks again,

Daniel

[Paul@eliteauto]

this car is making a lot more power now
will be interesting to see

Cheers Paul

[v gate]

Seems like you need a better suspension set up and a clutch that is looser 880 horses is alot of power i hope you get it sorted (at least to a 1.5 1.6 sixty)

[Quadcams]

Originally Posted by v gate

Seems like you need a better suspension set up and a clutch that is looser 880 horses is alot of power i hope you get it sorted (at least to a 1.5 1.6 sixty)

A 1.5 60' in a manual will need some good suspension, tyres and total disregard of your driveline to achieve, hasnt been done yet, 1.63 is the best Ive heard of to date in a manual BA-FG.

Wade

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Quadcams

A 1.5 60' in a manual will need some good suspension, tyres and total disregard of your driveline to achieve, hasnt been done yet, 1.63 is the best Ive heard of to date in a manual BA-FG.

Wade

x 2 on that, epecially trying to judge the launch with a turbo

[Paul@eliteauto]

I have said it before. This thing is like driving a lightning bolt.
It all happens so fast its insane!

[v gate]

Its not total disregard for your drive line. Its about building a whole car.
Its pointless (to me anyway) spending 900 hp dollars and running 550 hp dollars time slips.
people will spend 20 grand on an engine and then nothing on drive line.
sorry it dont work like that. Truthfully if youre chasing time then the motor is only half the bill you should expect
But well done for keeping it manual

[justa6]

was this ever really ment to be drag car anyway. good on him for getting it out there and not just on the rollers

[v gate]

yep thats true. but thats a heap of horses for gettin the shoping

[justa6]

Originally Posted by v gate

yep thats true. but thats a heap of horses for gettin the shoping

it has the fastest manual record is that not enough.

[v gate]

Originally Posted by silverxr

it has the fastest manual record is that not enough.

to be really truthful that et isnt anywhere near where its mph says it should be (and dont use that its really good FOR A MANUAL thing). If and when (and i hope its when) this thing hooks up and shifts for real down the track dont be surprised if its got a heap more mph showing.
and hp for hp 2 tenths quicker than the equivalent auto record. You might think im off my rocker but just check super stock indexes the auto v manual.
Now your going to tell me there cluchtless gear boxes. well yes some are but some indexes dont allow them. Then we get to dog boxes (tuffer than your mother inlaw) and it takes some gettin used to but i used mine to and from work 100ks a day with 4.5s for 7 months not 1 single issue.
I really want this car to kick **** because im a manual man to the bone. Id rather watch someone trying their **** off rowing the boat to an honest 13 @100 mph then some auto doing 10s . Showing up stick is a start following through with it is the art sorry to the op stick with it .

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by v gate

(and dont use that its really good FOR A MANUAL thing). .

It is, time and time again we see the manual being much slower with the ET, Its so much harder to launch, every time you push the clutch in your boost drops away.
Similar thing with the same power cars between the 4 speed and 6 speed auto, the 6 speed has better mph with its almost seamless changes through the gears that help it so much with very little boost drop off..
The auto will always be quicker.
Manual turbo cars have to work very hard for there time and consistency is also very hard, every now and then they get the good launch and get the changes right for a good ET, there MPH shows there making good mumbo.
Manual turbo 6 better for the rollers than the track.....
Put an auto in this car and a low 10 easy and the MPH will increase as well..

[v gate]

has anyone used an adjustable softloc clutch and a pro shifted tremec in a turbo 6 before or is everyone using 2 and 3 disc set ups

[TruBlu351]

You mean one of these!!? : Got mine ready to go, just need to put my motor back together and rebuild my 9 inch.....then let 'er rip!

You need to adjust these for a race and street setting. The race setting is like a loose torque converter which slips down low and holds at higher rpm. Trick is to leave at the lockup RPM so it just slips a tad. On the street you need to adjust the base spring pressure back up so it holds at low rpm.....otherwise it's easy to burn them out.

Would like to get my TKO proshifted too for those "foot to the floor hot knife thru butter" shifts!

[v gate]

thats the 1
i used to run an old hays rag that was adjustable but 2 of my mates ran softies.
Dead on get your base set then its just a couple of turns and your ready to race.
lucky bugga

[GTP owner]

Great time for a manual.
Would it be possible to create an anti-lag set-up like the rally cars use? Dumping fuel into the exhaust to keep the turbo spinning and keep it on boost between changes. Perhaps an injector in the exhaust manifold that only dumped fuel when the throttle was shut.
It would bang away like crazy, put lots of stress on the manifold and turbo, but minimise any boost losses on gear changes.

[Paul@eliteauto]

I have only had three passes in this car, first point. It takes a little more practice and I am sure there is plenty more in it.
Secondly I dont think the drive line is up for too much harder of a launch.
CV's and diffs with 900 plus hp running through them wont last.
If it was a 9" diff it would be a little different.
Be out the track again soon.

Cheers Paul