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Monique Ryan in parliament has started pushing for fuel efficiency standards in Australia,
She has released an op-ed, with her thoughts on it, and I thought this would be worth a discussion with our community here on AFF: Quote:
There's a push in parliament house to introduce fuel efficiency standards, this could certainly turn the Australian car market on its head if they head down a fuel efficiency path and punish manufacturers (and customers) for flooding our market with Thailand Specials and SUVs. I've bolded the parts I found interesting, I find it hilarious she's mentioned the F150 Lightning, they can't even manufacture enough for their own market, and they don't offer the F150 in RHD either from the factory, even if we did introduce fuel efficiency standards - whose to say Ford USA would even consider offering this to Ford Australia? |
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I can see the “flow on” here ( if we go down the Euro path ) where personal transport for financial demographics becomes unaffordable ( unless new EV’s become cheaper than new ICE vehicles of course ).
Insurance rates will go through the roof also (for EV owners), if the current rate of “write offs” for EV’s continue based on battery damages sustained. Damage or other reasons for Battery replacement costs anyone ? |
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Monique Ryan ditched the Electric Car post election and back driving the V8 Three Pointed Suppository. Now she comes up with this Bulltish.
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Rules for thee not for me
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I can see some points in there that are good - less foreign oil, less expenditure overseas in cold war Mk2
The great danger is denying transport to many people who will simply not be able to afford it - they are often those working the jobs that make the society run. So it becomes a reverse democratisation of transport. What will really happen: Aussies keep their old bangers, some get creative and fuel them alternatively, mum's the word
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I used to go to this fancy coffee place that opened up near my office a couple years ago, ran by a young bunch of women who were very keen for the environment.
They used to offer a $1 discount if you brought in your 'keepcup', so I just kept paying the extra dollar and getting the disposable cup. After a few weeks she kept trying to convince me to bring in a reusable cup because its cheaper, and I was all like nah, I cant be ****ed washing the cup after I use it so give me a disposable one please. She told me she'd clean it for me I said I wouldn't be so disrespectful as to hand you over a dirty keepcup and expect you to clean it before you used it - just give me the disposable cup. She then cracked the ****s, called me a ***** who doesn't care for the environment and flew off into this big tirade about how I'm damaging the environment ![]() Mission accomplished ![]() If you cared so much for the environment, why do you even offer disposable coffee cups then? Then COVID happened and everyone banned keepcups anyway Franco 1 Greens Voters 0 I'm not saving the world one coffee cup at a time, I'd prefer we do more meaningful things to help the environment. Same as how we're suggesting we bend over backwards, we're giving out tax incentives for EVs and proposing fuel efficency standards to interfere in the market - all for something that contributes less than 10% of our total greenhouse emissions as a nation. Can we start on the 90% first? |
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Hahahahhaha! You wore them down over weeks.
Some of the most genius gags are those played over a long time period.
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EU7 is basically killing diesels in Europe in 2026.
Petrol will continue for a while, but the EU is pushing so hard towards getting rid of the ICE, I don’t understand why. Nutcases here will have us going down this track unfortunately. |
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Either that or Bosch is being Bosch and is sitting on technology that will get diesels through later stage emissions and they're just sitting on it waiting for it to happen before they come out with a solution. They do this sort of **** all the time because they're flogs. |
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If this happens here, I reckon the base “****box” will be 35k |
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![]() https://www.drive.com.au/news/ford-f...edium=Referral But it is more hilarious that these numnuts still think EV's will take over from ICE. It will NEVER happen in Oz and Albo and Co need to stop the BS that will destroy Oz and accept it. |
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My car gets 11.5L/100km and if they're expecting me to get something more efficient than that, they better give me a skirt and some high heels to assist me in my transition.
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The local council blurb on Recycling specifically states no disposable cups in the Recycling bin. Local Coffee Shop Disposable Cups have Recycling Logo Damned if you and damned if you don't. |
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*shrugs* eh I am not seeing the issue here, brings us in line with the rest of the world instead of wondering around in the wilderness like we have been.
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Monique Ryan, never heard of her, but heres the important breakdown
1: She's a politician, so you need to question WHO's agenda she's pushing, and WHY 2: Yes, she's a "Doctor", but in Neurology, studies of the brain, nothing to do with the environment, motoring or anything at all to do with what she's written here. Basically, her opinion on the matter matters no more than that of the average person on the street. It is, however, amusing to note that her parents had seven children, and she herself has had three, which makes me consider her to be somewhat of a hypocrite given her stance on climate change, and her family's contribution towards rising population numbers....
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And then you learn that doing this will actually do more harm than good. Typical green bull****. https://www.drive.com.au/news/electr...ides-industry/ At the centre of the controversy – and the secret back-channeling in Canberra – is the aggressiveness and speed of the emissions reduction targets proposed for petrol and diesel vehicles, combined with the extremist view all cars should be electric by the middle of next decade, 2035. Drive has learned that, earlier this year, the Electric Vehicle Council distributed a document with a detailed proposal that matched the toughest emissions reduction targets in the world – even though such a rapid and unprecedented change would cause a sharp increase in the cost of car ownership, and force motorists to hold onto older, higher-polluting vehicles for longer. Despite assurances to federal policymakers in the lead-up to today’s announcement, the Electric Vehicle Council did not consult all corners of the automotive industry, and only canvassed a small number of car companies who are part of the break-away lobby group. If the Electric Vehicle Council’s proposal were to be adopted, analysis shows the price of electric cars would go up – not down – because of the forced increase in demand for rare earths and precious minerals to make battery-powered vehicles in such high volumes. The proposed policy would also push up the price of petrol and diesel vehicles – such as SUVs, utes and four-wheel-drives – because the scheme would punish those cars with arbitrary taxes to discourage motorists from buying them. Fk them and their agendas. It's not about saving the environment, cause it will do stuff all. It's all about forcing you into something you don't want. And then the power companies can absolutely rort the hell out of you while doing it. |
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https://www.resilience.org/stories/2...oming-for-you/ Now some of my favourite loons are the peak oil/agriculture loons - who knows, they might even be right. But the world keeps turning each day with more hydrocarbons, just like the financial system seems to although now it's ctrl_p'd to an obese extent. With diesel, Turiel argues that the amount of oil from which it's easily refinable - is getting more scarce. The peak is coming from below, first the heavier oils, then diesel, then petrol. A bit like the mandated emissions targets... Note his 2018 charts of diesel (peaked, 2015) and more alarmingly, fuel oil which looks nasty. Might the recent diesel being 50c more expensive than petrol have a different cause? Go back to the French yellow vests: that one was triggered by Macron trying to ban diesel in towns, and putting a circa 20% more tax on it. Euroland runs on small diesels, it's how working people get to work. And their vans and trucks, without saying. Macron failed, but maybe EU7 will do the thing. So, here's an alternative theory to think about. It would provide a very real impetus to use govco policy to kick the consumer's arz into electric, and if you can't afford it, tough. I reckon if they push it there could be an Aussie working class fuel revolt similar to the French (but with Australian characteristics: see Yorak Hunt videos for an idea of what that will look like).
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Australians wouldn’t riot if their lives depended on it. Too much self-generated, self-censoring fear.
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You didn't see the construction camp up in the NW when the Indian food was denied to the workers, being reserved for the Indian management
Also: Cronulla riot, I believe there were attacks on local girls in the lead up?
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Somebody should tell these idiot greenies that cars made in the last 20 years are not "heavily polluting".
The genuine pollution (hydrocarbons, oxides of nitrogen etc.) was drastically reduced years ago. The "pollution" they are referring to is CO2. Good old CO2 plant food !! The exception would be particulates produced by Diesels, then get rid of Diesels. Don't pick on the average wage earner going to work in his 4-cyl ICE car. Any possible affect on the climate by COS emissions is far outweighed by the pollution caused by battery manufacture etc. etc. Dr Terry |
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wont be long now that the tradie utes get looked at seriously.. wonder if this will rush the hybrid / ev versions out faster now ?
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Over a decade ago he foretold us that "we would never again see real rain on the East coast of Australia". 5 years later Brisbane had record floods. Dr Terry |
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Monique has to pay back the mining interests that backed her.
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1. many of those 20 year old cars are still on the road 2. even if new car emissions have halved, there are more than twice as many cars on the road so the total tailpipe emissions have increased |
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not really. she's elected to parliament, so regardless of her professional qualifications beforehand her opinions now most certainly do count for more than mine or yours
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Think for under 300km a day's activity of city - school - wife - run around car we will go an EV next time. That is if they come down in price a bit, maybe a lot. If not we will go another hybrid. The hybrid we currently have has been awesome since 2016, 190,000km.
The two things that appeal about EVs to me, is they go like the clappers, and I can power the house at night. The bits that detract is they don't self charge in the sun, and for us we park in the sun all the time away from the house at work, kids sport, shopping etc. No spare, and no wagons. I've given up on the noise around range envy, battery fires, rare metals, Co2, slave labour....... I can think of many failings around ICM's so don't see any of it as an argument for or against really. We have a big solar system with large chunks of energy going to the scabs in the energy industry. So would like to capture more of it for myself. Started looking into buying a totaled EV to knock of the batteries for the house rather than say a Powerwall. 80Kwh is far more appealing than 13.5, especially for a few cloudy days. Bring on then EVs I say. |
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