6 cylinder NA Drag war

[XRCIST]

Hey guys, what do you think about organising a drag day between us NA ford 6 cyl owners (SOHC and DOHC) and our fellow NA 6 cyl holden owners over on streetcommodores.com? Im thinking maybe sometime in June, after our AFF drag day.

Of course this event will not just be restricted to NAs, it would be good to have a few Turbos come along as im sure some of the V6 supercharged guys would love to come aswell.

[Ruger]

how quick do the holden 6's go though? id love to come

[[dave]]

well in my stock ba i beat a vz sv6 by a car lenght to 120

[XRCIST]

Originally Posted by Ruger

how quick do the holden 6's go though? id love to come

This is "the list" i found on the streetcommodores forum
http://forum.streetcommodores.com.au....php?t=8459105

Certainly some quick ones, a few are running 13s to low 14s. You may notice that we arnt that far behind some 5L on the list either :sm_headba

[MoreHPformyXR6]

Originally Posted by XRCIST

This is "the list" i found on the streetcommodores forum
http://forum.streetcommodores.com.au....php?t=8459105

Certainly some quick ones, a few are running 13s to low 14s. You may notice that we arnt that far behind some 5L on the list either :sm_headba

George

Could you please cut & post street commodore time's here save me going throught the pain of signing up to view?

As for how quick I beleave that a Stock VZ SV6 vs a Stock BA XR6 both in Auto that the SV6 would about 2 or 3 tenths quicker over the quater as a general rule of thumb. :

[XRCIST]

Sure no worries. Didnt realise you have to be signed up to view it

V6

NATURALLY ASPIRATED


1) Sleeper / Andrew, 1989 VN Executive, 3350lbs
ET 13.63 @ 97.94mph, 1.850 (60ft), 3.8L V6, A3, 3.9:1.

2) Jas.G / Jason Gaikhorst, 1990/ VN commodore, 3250lbs
ET 13.742 @ 98.46mph, 2.021 (60ft), 3.8L V6, Ported heads shaved 20thou, 1.8 roller rocker, WADE cam, Ported manifold+ 70mmtb, K@N pod filter+ CAI, exhaust, EMS computer, MSD coils, Hi stall, auto4, 3.45:1LSD

3) Blownvn / Scott Taylor 1989 VN Sedan, 3350lbs
ET 13.836 @ 97.16mph, 2.088 (60ft), 3.8L V6, A4, 3.45:1

4) sme6 / Cliff Redfern, 1995 VS Calais, 3260lbs
ET 14.115 @ 98.59mph, 2.171 (60ft), 3.8L V6 Ecotec, A4, 3.91:1

5) strokedvr6 / gavin , 93 vr v6
ET 14.131 @ 94.83mph, 2.086 (60ft), 4.2L V6, A4, 3.73:1 LSD

6) dvsdirtjumpa / Lins, 1997 VS Sedan
ET 14.693 @ 96.38mph, 2.312 (60ft), 3.8L V6 Ecotec, m5, 4.11:1 LSD

7) jrh03m / James, 1990 VN Sedan
ET 14.829 @ 92.29mph, 2.149 (60ft), 3.8L V6, M5, 3.45:1.

8) VS S PAK / Mark,1996 VS S'Pak
ET 14.872 @ 93.17mph, 2.174 (60ft), 3.8L V6 Ecotec, M5, 3.73:1.

9) rocky / Peter Gallagher, 2000 VT Acclaim
ET 14.948 @ 90.90mph, 3.8L V6 Ecotec, 3.73:1

10) vzsv6 / anjelo sakis, 2004 SV6
ET 15.040 @ 94mph, 2.218 (60ft), 3.6L V6 Alloytec, A5, 2.87

11) sloVN / Peter, 1990 VN Sedan, 3350lbs
ET 15.139 @ 91.34mph, 2.277 (60ft), 3.8L V6, M5, 3.45:1

12) robk / rob, 1989 VN, 3350lbs
ET15.298 @ 90.18mph, 2.335 (60ft), 3.8L V6, M5, 3.45

13) VSV6ECO / Shannon Lyons, 1995 VS Sedan, 3300lbs
ET 15.329 @ 89.39mph, 2.293 (60ft), 3.8L V6 Ecotec, A4, 3.08:1

14) smaddock / Simon Maddock, 1996 VS Commodore, 3080lbs
ET 15.337 @ 90.16mph, 2.394 (60ft), 3.8L V6 Ecotec, A4, 3.08:1

15) JE5TER / Jezz, 1999 Holden VT II Executive Sedan, 3485lbs
ET 15.372 @ 89.52mph, 2.262 (60ft), 3.8L V6 Ecotec, A4, 3.08:1

16) DRF74 / Brock, 1997 VS Ute, 1250kg
ET 15.425 @ 89mph, 2.120 (60ft), 3.8L V6 Ecotec, A4, 3.08:1

17) Vee Pee / Justin G 1993 VP Sedan, 2970lb
ET 15.537 @ 88.54mph, 2.315 (60ft), 3.8L V6, A4, 3.08:1

18) FRY29T / Chris Sorgsepp 1996 VS Acclaim
ET 15.619 @ 88.25mph, 2.449 (60ft), 3.8L Ecotec V6, S/C V6 CAI, 2.5" exhaust, A4, 3.08:1 open center IRS

19) The Fonz / George, 1994 VR Acclaim
ET 15.681 @ 87.51mph, 2.373 (60ft), 3.8L V6, A4 , 3.08:1

20) PAWN / shae, 1995/VS Commodore, 1300kg
ET 15.757 @ 85.91mph, 2.288 (60ft), 3.8L Ecotec V6, 4l60e auto 4 speed, 3.08

21) Tritorius Rex / Trent, 1991 VN
ET 15.804 @ 87.86mph, 2.45 (60ft), 3.8L V6, A4, 3.08:1

22) Barneyness / Joshua Barnard, 1990/ VN Commo, 2800lbs
ET 15.825 @ 84.55mph, 2.351 (60ft), 3.8L V6, A4, 3.08:1

23) YEP-38L / Matt Rowland 1989 VN Sedan, 2970lb
ET 15.847 @ 85.11mph, 2.332 (60ft), 3.8L V6, home made CAI, 2.5" exhaust, A4, 3.08:1 open center

24) Wretched / Ben Hosking 1992 VP Sedan, 3400lbs
ET 15.87 @ 87.13mph, 2.413 (60ft), 3.8L V6, A4, 3.7:1

25) VP Racer / Andy Rowland, 1990 VN Wagon, 3270lbs
ET 16.026 @ 82.50mph, 2.343 (60ft), 3.8L V6, A4 , 3.08:1 LSD

26) Calais3800 / Arthur, 1994 VR Calais
ET 16.254 @ 86.01mph, 2.529 (60ft), 3.8L V6, A4 , 3.08:1

27) VTCOM / Shaun Rees, 98 Commodore Acclaim
ET 16.306 @ 85.05mph, 2.535 (60ft), 3.8L V6 Ecotec, A4, 3.08:1

28) eggman / Anthony 1994/VR Berina 3000lb
ET 16.312 @ 84.14mph, 2.461 (60ft), 3.8L V6, A4, 3:08:1

29) Speed_racer / Brenden VN Calais
ET 16.355 @ 83.41mph, 2.534 (60ft), 3.8L V6, A4, 3:08:1

V6

BLOWN (included supercharging, turbo's, nitrous)

1) dwilz / David 1995 VS Sedan, 3300lbs
ET 9.826 @ 134.24mph, 1.461 (60ft), 3.8-litre V6 twin turbo, N02, A4, 3.45:1

2) sleeperv6 / Geoff Whyte, 1990/commodore/VN, 3480lbs
ET 11.16 @ 114.68mph, 1.678 (60ft), Holden v6/3.8/ turbocharged, T400 and 3.08 diff ratio

3) CHARG6 / LOUIE, VN 1990 EXEC, 2970lb
ET 11.48 @ 118.4mph, 1.695 (60ft), 3.8L, M90 supercharged, A4, 3.45:1

4) Tonsta V6 S/C / Tony, VT SS sedan, 4000lbs
ET 11.68 @ 121.78mph, 1.948 (60ft), 3.8-litre V6 Turbo, A4, 3.46:1

5) Sleeper / Andrew, 1989 VN Executive, 3350lbs
ET 11.771 @ 112.68mph, 1.607 (60ft), V6 3.8l, nitrous, A3, 3.9:1

6) Blownvn / Scott Taylor, 1989 VN Commodore, 3400lbs
ET 11.995 @ 114.76mph, 1.850 (60ft), 3.8-litre turbo, A4, 3.45:1

7) ICULKN / Dane 2000 VT
ET 12.006 @ 117.76mph, 1.685 (60ft) 3.8L intercooled S/C V6 ,A4, 3.73:1 MT street radials

8) 3.8 turbo / Daniel 1994 VR Sedan, 1570kg MT street radials
ET 12.542 @ 106.88mph, 1.711 (60ft), 3.8-litre V6 twin turbo, A4, 3.45:1

9) Super SS / Michael Gordon, 1998 VT SS, 3520lb
ET 12.611 @ 108.82mph, 1.884 (60ft), 3.8L S/C V6, A4, 3.73:1

10) Harey / Jeff, RAREVP, VP V6 Turbo, 2970lbs
ET 12.800 @ 109.31mph, 1.999 (60ft), 3.8L with GT35r, T700, standard stall, 3.45

11) Cuckoo / Craig 1999 vt calais
ET 12.886 @ 103.99mph, 1.734 (60ft), 3.8L v6 m90, A4, 3.73 L.S.D

12) Turbo EcoTec / Adam Carver, 96 VS
ET 13.007 @ 95mph, 1.80 (60ft), V6 3.8l single turbo, M5, 3.08:1

13) Blackjacknz / Steve, 2000/ VX S
ET 13.054 @ 104.52mph, 2.009 (60ft), 3.8-litre V6 S/C, A4, 3.08:1

14) NosVn / Dustin 1988, VN commodore 1300kg
ET 13.099 @ 103.4mph, 1.894 (60ft), 3.8lt v6, Nitrous, extractors auto 4spd 4.11:1

15 pupsv 1988 / holden / vn /calais
ET 13.23 @ 106.41mph, 2.133 (60ft)

16) CJ_JET / Luciano, 1989 VN Commodore S'pack, 1350kg
ET 13.24 @ 106.03mph, 1.907 (60ft), V6 3.8 Factory S/C M90,intercooled M5, 3:73:1

17) ravenvtsuper6 / Rob Sanderc*ck/ 1998 VT Sedan, 1700kg
ET 13.299 @ 101.44mph, 1.834 (60ft), 3.8-litre S/C V6, A4, 3.73

18) Magic / Matt 2004 VZ, 3410 lbs
ET 13.392 @ 106.42mph, 2.219 (60ft), 3.6 litre turbo, A4, 3.45

19) sloVN / Peter, 1990 VN Sedan, 3350lbs
ET 13.540 @ 100.01mph, 1.975 (60ft), 3.8l V6, M5, 3.45:1, Nitrous

20) VXSPR6 / Daniel, 2000 Holden VX Executive
ET 13.758 @ 98.15mph, 1.923 (60ft), 3.8L V6, M90, A4, 3.73:1

21) FRY29T / Chris Sorgsepp, 196 VS Commodore
ET 14.087 @ 98.06mph, 2.2 (60ft), V6 3.8 Raptor V, A4, 3:08:1

22) voy / Voy Z, 1998 VT Commodore S'pack, 1600kg
ET 14.269 @ 92.18mph, 2.135 (60ft), V6 3.8 Factory S/C M90, A4, 3:07:1

23)CAM-82M / Cameron Monk, 1997/VS/Calais
ET 14.289 @ 95.289mph, 2.104 (60ft)

24)Stewart / Darren (My Dad ), 1994/Holden/Commodore
ET 14.439 @ 96.17mph, 2.076 (60ft), 3.45:1

25)KrAzEe / Mohamed, 2000 VT S Pack, 3660lbs
ET 14.753 @ 98.40mph, 2.092 (60ft), Supercharged 3.8L V6, A4, 3.08:1

Holden or Chev V8

NATURALLY ASPIRATED

1) GMVPSS / Darren Parker, 1992 VP SS, 2850lbs
ET 10.102 @ 132.04mph, 1.40 (60ft), Holden V8 383ci, powerglide auto,transbrake,4.57:1,slicks

2) sir5.7 / Branko Milic, 1991 VP Calais, 3650lbs,
ET 11.26 @ 120.2mph, Holden V8 383ci, t350 auto, 3.7:1

3) ProVK / Matt Turnbull, 1984 VK Calais, 3470lbs
ET 11.928 @ 114.19mph, 1.759 (60ft), 355ci, A3, 3.91:1

4) 5150 / Chris Mcgregor, VR SS, 1730kg
ET 12.131 @ 130.66mph, 1.718 (60ft), 355ci, A4 T700, 3.45,nittos

5) XPI66Y / Brendan Caunt, VN Berlina
ET 12.262 @ 108.27mph, 1.731 (60ft), Holden 383ci, custom trottle twin body tunnel ram manifold, stage 3 turbo 400 box,2800 stall, vp v8 diff mini spool 4.11. cam but no details, std heads with stainless valves 10.2:1 com, pump fuel, full weight

6) Loffy05 / Darren Loffler, VP SS
ET 12.533 @ 112.48 mph, 1.861 (60ft), Full Weight commodore with M/T street tyres, 325ci 308, nos, A4, 3.45:1

7) SLE355 / Travis, VH SL/E
ET 12.66 @ 110.13mph, 2.098 (60ft), 355ci, Trimatic, 3.36

8) GMHVN5 / Paul, 1990 VN Calais
ET 12.8 @ 105mph, 1.82 (60ft), 304 EFI, T700 auto, 3.45 LSD diff

9) QuickVN / Mark 1989 VN Berlina, 1380kg
ET 12.809 @ 113.63mph, 2.185 (60ft), 338ci, M5, 4.11/spool

10) Girl Torque / Carly, VL Calais
ET 12.960 @ 105.58mph, 1.919 (60ft), Holden V8 304ci, A3,3000 stall, 4.11,MC Creary

11) Spasm / Scott, VN, 1620kg (race weight)
ET 13.001 @ 106.76mph, 1.903 (60ft), Holden V8 355ci,Crane 284,Delco, M5, 3.08:1

12) Steveo / Steve Axford, VN SS
ET 13.013 @ 103.70mph, 1.887 (60ft), 330ci, M5, 3.7:1

13) vpcon / Con Poulian, VP Commodore
ET 13.072 @ 103.62mph, 1.892 (60ft), Holden V8 355ci,Crane 272,10-1 comp, T700r4,3500rpm stall, 3.45:1 LSD

14) Chemicals / Gary, VR Clubsport, 3525lbs
ET 13.317 @ 103.4mph, 2.024 (60ft), Holden V8 355ci, M5, 3.73:1

15) Instinct / Philip Bryant, 87 VL Calais
ET 13.425 @ 105.38mph, 2.234 (60ft), VT 220i 5.7L, M5, 3.73:1

16) VK_HDT_5L / Ken, VK Calais
ET 13.57 @ 103.07mph, 2.07 (60ft), 308 on LPG 5L, A3, 3.7:1

17) loffy05 / Darren,1992 VP SS
ET 13.659 @ 99.4mph, 1.942 (60ft), Holden325ci stroker,torque power dual plain manifold 3.45:1

18) Stock94 / Chris 1981 Holden VC Commodore, 3212lbs
ET 13.610 @ 100.22mph, 2.014 (60ft)

19) stealthvn / Brad,1994 VR SS
ET 13.687 @ 100mph, 2.125 (60ft), Holden 308ci,mild cam, twin 2 1/2 inch exhaust, Stage 2 shift kit, 2800 stall, 3.08:1

20) Bugnash / Mark,1984 VK, 1290kg
ET 13.718 @ 102.65mph, 2.162 (60ft), Holden 308ci, M5, 3.23:1

21) 1SS05L / Jamie Upton, 1985/ vk/ calais, 1290kg
ET 13.868 @ 93.49mph, 2.134 (60ft), 304 EFI / th350 / 3.66 LSD

22) SJMAN / Michael Wright, 1990/ VN/ S, 3200lbs
ET 13.949 @ 97.00mph, 1.993 (60ft), Holden V8/358ci/ 3" cat back exhaust,t700 (4 speed) shift kit heavy duty clutches etc, 3.08 lsd

23) Chubby / Damien Lowe, 1979 VB, 3080lbs
ET 13.90 @ 103mph, 308 EFI, M5, 3.55:1

24) Naze77 / Nathan, 1989 Berlina, 1410kgs
ET 13.956 @ 98.90mph, 1.978 (60ft), 304, T5, 3.50:1

25) 355 vk / Bruce, 1985 VK, 3400lbs
ET 14.087 @ 100.18mph, 2.398 (60ft), 355ci , A3, 3.89:1

26) BTI-VN / Shane Janssen, 1989 VN, 3400lbs
ET 14.289 @ 100.48mph, 2.286 (60ft), Holden EFI V8 304ci, M5, 4.10:1

27) YLDSLE / Nick, 1996/ HSV/ GTS
ET 14.342@ 98.41mph, 2.173 (60ft), HSV Stroker, 5.7ltr Stock,M6,3.45:1

28) AVB-05L / Mathew Budden, 1979 VB Sedan, 3031lbs
ET 14.380 @ 95.20mph, 2.105 (60ft), Holden EFI V8 304ci, TH700 4 Speed, 3.7:1

29) dreama / Vaughn, 1994 VR Exec
ET 14.517 @ 98.13mph, 2.311 (60ft), 304ci M5, 3.08

30) JTVPSS / Joe, 1992 VP SS
ET 14.546 @ 94.63mph, 2.316 (60ft), 304ci M5, 3.08:1

31) Shamus / Shane Miners, 1990 SV5000
ET 14.67 @ 95.28mph, 2.196 (60ft), 5.0L V8, A4, 3.08:1

32) VRoy / Roy Dineed,1995 VR Exec
ET 14.746 @ 95mph, 2.226 (60ft), 5.0L,A4,3.73

33) dpac #2 / Dave, 1991 VN SS
ET 14.800 @ 94.28mph, 2.278 (60ft), 304ci V8, M5, 3.08:1

34) Jimbo_SS / Jim, 1995 VS SS
ET 14.868 @ 94.60mph, 2.242 (60ft), 304ci V8, M5, 3.73:1

35) smokey24 / Les Marlborough, VS S3 Ute
ET 14.889 @ 94.38mph, 2.263 (60ft), 5.0L V8, M5, 3.08:1

36) THESTATESMAN / MATT LINDSAY, 1990 Holden Statesman, 1563kg
ET 15.086 @ 91.21mph, 2.216 (60ft), efi v8/304ci/ 70mm TB, Pacemakers single 3 inch, redline air filter, auto Stage 2 shift kit, 3.45.1

[Ruger]

some very quick and well setup cars. 98.5mph and a high 13 is very well setup and 1520kg aint all that light (i dont think these VN and VP's are as light as people make out) 98mph is around 340hp not bad for the ol v6 i didnt think there were many that quick.
WHICH IS GREAT would make for some good racing !

[Bluehoon]

I am in.... Where, when???

I will bring the ute, show them how to turbo properly... Performance from factory...

Also, we each need to bring some penrite 25W70 for them
so thick they won't lose any on the strip and make us lose control, 25W70 is good for old junk motors..... :gren: :gren: :gren:


: : :

[Ruger]

penrite extra virgin works well too mate

[Bluehoon]

Originally Posted by Ruger

penrite extra virgin works well too mate

true, but their motors, unlike ours, have more than being around the block, so to speak...

[XRCIST]

Originally Posted by Bluehoon

I am in.... Where, when???

I will bring the ute, show them how to turbo properly... Performance from factory...

Also, we each need to bring some penrite 25W70 for them
so thick they won't lose any on the strip and make us lose control, 25W70 is good for old junk motors..... :gren: :gren: :gren:


: : :

Ahahahahaha, nice one Ben. Heathcote probably seems like the best venue to hold an event like this. Il post it up on the street commodores forum and see what they think about the idea.

[Airmon]

Originally Posted by Bluehoon

I am in.... Where, when???

I will bring the ute, show them how to turbo properly... Performance from factory...

Also, we each need to bring some penrite 25W70 for them
so thick they won't lose any on the strip and make us lose control, 25W70 is good for old junk motors..... :gren: :gren: :gren:


: : :

Dont worry about it mate, we'll just cut a few banana peels and throw em in, that should thicken it up a bit aye? But then again....we don't want to be giving those commodores a secret HP enhancement at the same time.

[mrnsx]

Originally Posted by MoreHPformyXR6

George

Could you please cut & post street commodore time's here save me going throught the pain of signing up to view?

As for how quick I beleave that a Stock VZ SV6 vs a Stock BA XR6 both in Auto that the SV6 would about 2 or 3 tenths quicker over the quater as a general rule of thumb. :

i hope thats sarcasm cauz ive noticed that my BA munches on any 6 cyl NA from holden. and my ba is stock...

[bigAl]

i think hes refering to the 190kw version of the holden 6 banger

[feebs]

Pretty sure a vz sv6 is supposed to be able to beat a ba, stock for stock.

But the New sv6 is definately slower.

[XRCIST]

One of my mates has a manual VZ SV6 and there is nothing in it between mine and his. From a standing start, the cars a so close it depends on the launch, if i dont launch as hard he wins, if he doesnt i win, if we both launch cleanly its neck and neck. From a roll mine was starting to pull away at the top of 2nd and into 3rd but i only had him by half a car length.

[mrnsx]

i think the extra engine capacity (torque) of the ba might have the upper hand, but a valid point that it must be designed to beat the ba na or holden just suck lol

[MoreHPformyXR6]

Originally Posted by mrnsx

i hope thats sarcasm cauz ive noticed that my BA munches on any 6 cyl NA from holden. and my ba is stock...

No saracsm VZ SV6 190kw & lighter than a BA XR6 is suppose as a rule of thumb run 2 to 3 tenths quicker quaters than the XR. Both being stock etc im sure if you did a couple runs in each with 10 different as new VZ SV6 & the same with 10 as new BA XR6 that would be pretty on the money.

[Casper]

sounds like fun, I'm interested.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by MoreHPformyXR6

No saracsm VZ SV6 190kw & lighter than a BA XR6 is suppose as a rule of thumb run 2 to 3 tenths quicker quaters than the XR. Both being stock etc im sure if you did a couple runs in each with 10 different as new VZ SV6 & the same with 10 as new BA XR6 that would be pretty on the money.

I remember reading that the VZ were a couple of tenth slower than the 4sp Auto. The ne VE is spose to be on par with the 4sp.

[mrnsx]

on a different note, is it a good idea mixing fords + holdens together in 1 day? i think it will end up with a brawl cauz the holdens got their asses whooped too hard.

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by Casper

sounds like fun, I'm interested.

Well I hope all the AU boys are interested, I noticed you guys are running some very respectable times.

[Stav]

Those cars weigh 150 to 200kgs lighter than us and a better 1st gear ratio.It would be intersting though.

[XRchic]

Mmmmmm prey.....

[Bluehoon]

MMMM, Hey George, mate any update?

Cheers

[dave.747]

Ooh can I bring my NA BA powered EA along?

[XRCIST]

Originally Posted by Bluehoon

MMMM, Hey George, mate any update?

Cheers

I posted the idea up on the Street Commodore forum 2 weeks ago and have got no replies or interest whatsoever. I guess they must be too scared...........

[Falcon4L]

oh well bugger them then. How about some of those magnas that were doing 14's? I remember them cruising through these forums a few times. At least there's some competition there.

[GORDZ]

had a bloke in a vx commodore pull up in a lane to the left of me, which merges into my lane just across the intersection... I didn't let him in, and had him slamming his brakes by the end of the intersection ^_^ Had him by about a meter