Windows vista installed and uninstalled today

S3SR · 21-01-2007, 09:50 PM

got a copy of the final release of vista ultimate (the top notch one), so i installed it, found it doesnt like my mobo driver disk, graphics card disk, network setup, isnt user friendly

and most of all if you dont like seeing "Are you sure...." every time you right click or do something, then windows vista isnt for you.

i tried installing some software and deleting useless crap, EVERYTHING was "how would you like to use this....", "you dont have permission to do this click continue for permission", "you have....." so i hit reset, formatted and snapped the disk.

the colours are nice, layout is an idea, functionality is like learning to drive a car with the indicator on the left hand side, reverse in the top left, front wheel drive with no power.....
ill install on another partition tomorrow and take screen shots, and examples (i have another copy of the disk)

im just gonna let everyone know what their getting into, so it might help if buying a laptop or PC and waiting for the vista models to come out instead of buying XP installed, getting free upgrade and having option of either if you dont like vista.

then again if i used it long enough it prob never go back to XP ever again.... who knows

btw vista and office isnt allowed to be sold until the 30th jan 2007.....

the_scotsman · 21-01-2007, 09:54 PM

All of those prompts asking for permission etc can be EASILY turned off in User options in control panel with one click of the mouse...

I was a Vista & Office beta tester from the start...I now own Vista Ultimate and will NEVER go back to XP...ever...I love it...my laptop (Dell Inspiron 9400) run flawlessly with it...if anything, Vista is faster than XP, especially boot times and application open times...

Boss 260 Ute · 22-01-2007, 10:13 AM

Where did you get it?

Jeeepers · 22-01-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by FALCONSR

got a copy of the final release of vista ultimate (the top notch one), so i installed it, found it doesnt like my mobo driver disk, graphics card disk, network setup, isnt user friendly

and most of all if you dont like seeing "Are you sure...." every time you right click or do something, then windows vista isnt for you.

i tried installing some software and deleting useless crap, EVERYTHING was "how would you like to use this....", "you dont have permission to do this click continue for permission", "you have....." so i hit reset, formatted and snapped the disk.

the colours are nice, layout is an idea, functionality is like learning to drive a car with the indicator on the left hand side, reverse in the top left, front wheel drive with no power.....
ill install on another partition tomorrow and take screen shots, and examples (i have another copy of the disk)

im just gonna let everyone know what their getting into, so it might help if buying a laptop or PC and waiting for the vista models to come out instead of buying XP installed, getting free upgrade and having option of either if you dont like vista.

then again if i used it long enough it prob never go back to XP ever again.... who knows

btw vista and office isnt allowed to be sold until the 30th jan 2007.....

It won't like your setup disks, true. But you should have got Vista versions of your hardware drivers before you installed. Setup a cd with all your driver files for vista (once you obtain them) and use this cd to get your hardware drivers updated. Because Vista is new, only mainstream hardware will be natively supported without drivers being needed. Specialist, or upbeat hardware will need support from the relevant OEM manufacturer. Like in the case of my Audigy 2 ZS. Vista doesn't recognise this card, so Creative have a Vista driver on their site. It won't be long, and most OEM suppliers will have covered their hardware for Vista.

Jeeepers · 22-01-2007, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Boss 260 Ute

Where did you get it?

It was given to some beta testers and Technet Plus subscribers gratis for their efforts in bug reports and general info which leads to a better os.

EA2BA · 22-01-2007, 10:53 AM

Goto the microsoft site and download the compatability tester, it wll tell you if your hardware will run with Vista or not.

Ralliart · 22-01-2007, 02:27 PM

i read on the news.com.au/theage.com.au, that you could dl the final copy of vista is this true?, i wanna run on my current computer but not sure it it will take it.

Jeeepers · 22-01-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralliart

i read on the news.com.au/theage.com.au, that you could dl the final copy of vista is this true?, i wanna run on my current computer but not sure it it will take it.

Do as EA2BA says in post six. It will let you know if you can, and what won't work.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...r/default.mspx

Just go from here.

Ralliart · 22-01-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ORSM T

Do as EA2BA says in post six. It will let you know if you can, and what won't work.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvist...r/default.mspx

Just go from here.

thanks just did that said it will run

atec77 · 22-01-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ORSM T

It won't like your setup disks, true. But you should have got Vista versions of your hardware drivers before you installed. Setup a cd with all your driver files for vista (once you obtain them) and use this cd to get your hardware drivers updated. Because Vista is new, only mainstream hardware will be natively supported without drivers being needed. Specialist, or upbeat hardware will need support from the relevant OEM manufacturer. Like in the case of my Audigy 2 ZS. Vista doesn't recognise this card, so Creative have a Vista driver on their site. It won't be long, and most OEM suppliers will have covered their hardware for Vista.

No ned to make excuses for this dodgy micksoft product , it's crap.

Jeeepers · 22-01-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by atec77

No ned to make excuses for this dodgy micksoft product , it's crap.

Thanks for that informative review. It swayed me.

the_scotsman · 22-01-2007, 03:13 PM

LOL...real helpful...

care to elaborate on your seemingly knowledgable opinions?

Why is it crap?

You really have to laugh at these idiots who bag new MS products without knowing ANYTHING about them..just because its MS and new...it must be crap...

the_scotsman · 22-01-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralliart

i read on the news.com.au/theage.com.au, that you could dl the final copy of vista is this true?

In part it is...Microsoft will, for the first time, offer buyers of Vista and Office the option to download the media, rather than buying DVD.

Although at this point they are unsure whether this will include Australian buyers or not.

Jeeepers · 22-01-2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by the_scotsman

LOL...real helpful...

care to elaborate on your seemingly knowledgable opinions?

Why is it crap?

You really have to laugh at these idiots who bag new MS products without knowing ANYTHING about them..just because its MS and new...it must be crap...

Amuses me to no end. Spelling was hot too....

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Quasi · 22-01-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ORSM T

Specialist, or upbeat hardware will need support from the relevant OEM manufacturer. Like in the case of my Audigy 2 ZS. Vista doesn't recognise this card, so Creative have a Vista driver on their site. It won't be long, and most OEM suppliers will have covered their hardware for Vista.

When testing with RC1 I managed to have Vista accept the XP drivers for the installed Creative Live! 5.1 and had no issues with it.

Ihave been waiting to get my final release installed, and the only thing holding me back is lack of drivers my from laptop manufacturer. They tell me it will be this week, so then I'll make time for the install.

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Originally Posted by atec77

No ned to make excuses for this dodgy micksoft product , it's crap.

Yeah, right....gotta love such constructive and informed input.....probably hasn't used it since BETA 1, and doesn't know any better.

Ralliart · 22-01-2007, 03:31 PM

when i had vista rc1 installed the only thing that didn't work was my nforce2 drivers for my sound card, but apart from that it worked fine.

atec77 · 22-01-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ORSM T

Thanks for that informative review. It swayed me.

I installed it days ago onto a dual boot multi cpu machine ( a dell server)
to perform the work under the non winblows operating system vista was slightly slower than both the nix and the win2k installs , no advantage in doing so , I dont like the feel of it but will conceed its pretty , basically it is an un-needed upgrade and I feel along with the new office of no advantage . I still have a lot of customer machines running win2k and they were looking to use the same machines for a couple of simple tasks to which vista offers no advantage .
Microsoft does have an upgrade at all costs metality along with a lot of thins in the o/s which never get used . but unless a gamer for typing a couple of letters and doing some homework win98 is sufficent and perfoms well on basic hardware .
I will say it again , vista has no advantge for me atm , the good thing is I am seeing many client going to unix o/s due to it doing what they require without the expense of hardware upgrades , after all how many letters can you write at once ?

Venomous · 22-01-2007, 03:40 PM

I've been using it.
Drivers and everything are
pretty much fine.
One thing i've noticed is Ram is a shocker,
I've got 1 gig and even thats pretty bad

Ralliart · 22-01-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Venomous

I've been using it.
Drivers and everything are
pretty much fine.
One thing i've noticed is Ram is a shocker,
I've got 1 gig and even thats pretty bad

so it eates up ur ram does it?

andrewts · 22-01-2007, 03:42 PM

I suppose one of these days I might crack the new version of Vista and Office together, but only when I can afford it lol. I beta tested it, and I found it troublesome is some areas, but they were things that you get used to, and I just might have been impatient.

I will also wait a little longer, because a lot of the tings I enjoy probably aren't supported in Vista Yet.

Jeeepers · 22-01-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by atec77

I installed it days ago onto a dual boot multi cpu machine ( a dell server)
to perform the work under the non winblows operating system vista was slightly slower than both the nix and the win2k installs , no advantage in doing so , I dont like the feel of it but will conceed its pretty , basically it is an un-needed upgrade and I feel along with the new office of no advantage . I still have a lot of customer machines running win2k and they were looking to use the same machines for a couple of simple tasks to which vista offers no advantage .
Microsoft does have an upgrade at all costs metality along with a lot of thins in the o/s which never get used . but unless a gamer for typing a couple of letters and doing some homework win98 is sufficent and perfoms well on basic hardware .
I will say it again , vista has no advantge for me atm , the good thing is I am seeing many client going to unix o/s due to it doing what they require without the expense of hardware upgrades , after all how many letters can you write at once ?

All good, a little more info behind you're comment makes a lot more sense in the bigger picture. While I concede it's not for you at this stage, it doesn't mean the product is crap. And as far as Win 98 is concerned? Well that OS was never stable, and good luck getting some of todays games/software to run happily in it. But each to their own I guess.

Jeeepers · 22-01-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralliart

so it eates up ur ram does it?

I have 1 gig, and it uses 450 meg.

Venomous · 22-01-2007, 03:48 PM

Yeah probably should have stated which version i was running.
I'm running ultimate, what are you running ORSM?
On mine it uses about 500mb, which is a fair bit once you
add on the things that i always use at once, Firefox, MSN, Itunes.
And trying to play source on it is impossible

Ralliart · 22-01-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ORSM T

I have 1 gig, and it uses 450 meg.

Dam, thank god i have 1300mb Ram

EA2BA · 22-01-2007, 04:10 PM

Personally in an office environment the small difference between office 2003 and office 2007 make office 2007 a clear advantage to use. Vista I have not fully evaluated, but I can see advantages for a business to upgrade.

EG.
Excel 2007 does 1048576 rows which is very handy for the data I have to deal with, no crappy 65,000 row issues. It is also only limited by installed ram fro creations of arrays.

Bill_R · 22-01-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by the_scotsman

All of those prompts asking for permission etc can be EASILY turned off in User options in control panel with one click of the mouse...

I was a Vista & Office beta tester from the start...I now own Vista Ultimate and will NEVER go back to XP...ever...I love it...my laptop (Dell Inspiron 9400) run flawlessly with it...if anything, Vista is faster than XP, especially boot times and application open times...

I don't mind it. I stareted testing Vista from early internal alpha stages via the MVP program. I have copies but haven't installed the final build as yet.
It does take a little while to get used to.

The thing to remeber is that Vista uses a new graphics engine. When developers start taking advantage of it then gamers (specifically) will adopt it.

Another benefit is the MCE integration. Basically, I advise people to hang onto XP if they are comfortable with it but be prepared to install Vista in the future when applications and drivers are up to it.

banarcus · 22-01-2007, 04:52 PM

I had RC1(x64) on my desktop and had no problems with it apart from the lack of many 64x drivers. A few things didn't function, like the media centre thingy and some older games such as BFV wouldn't work properly. I managed to figure out a fix for nforce4 sound somehow but have forgotten now. After using vista and then using a XP machine, XP does look decidely fisher price.

As said previously, if you play games or anything else, you would do yourself a favour by buying more ram as when I had 1 gig, vista used something like 450mb. I wouldn't know how RC1 compares to the final version, perhaps scotty could tell me?

the_scotsman · 22-01-2007, 04:55 PM

LOL Fisher Price....I like that one!

Yea, Vista RTM is still using around 450-550 MB RAM but compared to RC1, the performance is mind blowingly better...

XplosiveR6 · 22-01-2007, 05:08 PM

if you have a cheap second rate PC don't complain that next-gen software doesn't work on your PC. It was the same when XP came out everyone was complaining that it ran too, slow on their old Pentium 166mhz PCs. What do you expect.

And once more people complained that the security in XP was hopeless, now that they implement security features people are complaining that its too annoying. you cant win with some people

Josh_XC · 22-01-2007, 06:49 PM

I recieved my final copy today and installed it about 2 hours ago, after a little setting up it works wonderfully, but i can see that a lot of people will have compatability and networking problems, but ive had it since beta 1 release and i love it.