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Old 05-05-2008, 03:12 PM   #1
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Default 8 cars confiscated for doing burnouts

over the weekend, police took possession of 8 cars. apparently they were doing burnouts around the sydney beaches area.
now, i wonder what happens next. do they pay a fine and collect their cars or will they be crushed, even though some of these blokes maybe first time offenders.

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Are we talking Manly or Brighton le Sands here?? Also no one's cars are getting crushed buddy. Better go check that story out.
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i asked what happens next, do they get crushed. i didnt say they will get crushed. better re-read my post buddy.
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over the weekend, police took possession of 8 cars. apparently they were doing burnouts around the sydney beaches area.
now, i wonder what happens next. do they pay a fine and collect their cars or will they be crushed, even though some of these blokes maybe first time offenders.

Yeah a couple of GT owners were amongst them too so i hear on the news this morning
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i asked what happens next, do they get crushed. i didnt say they will get crushed. better re-read my post buddy.
Since when has crushing even been considered in Australia?

First I've heard of it.
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Since when has crushing even been considered in Australia?

First I've heard of it.
There were a couple of news articles some time back.
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Yeah a couple of GT owners were amongst them too so i hear on the news this morning
You wouldnt crush a GT would you..???
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From the telegraph today...pictures here


PAINSTAKINGLY restored, with a gleaming blue spray and faultless interior, the owner of this Ford GT claims the iconic Aussie muscle car is worth at least $200,000.

But the 32-year-old will never see a cent of profit, after the prized sedan was seized by police - bound for the government sales yards - during a blitz on car hoons.

The GT was among eight cars confiscated during a crackdown on street racing and car hoons at Botany on Sunday.

Eight drivers were caught doing burnouts, including three P-platers, with the vehicles all towed away for impunding.

But for the GT owner, reclaiming the car will not be an option with the sedan set to be sold at government auction after police revealed it was the second time it had been impounded.

The move came as police yesterday spoke of their frustration at the ongoing problems of drag racers and hoons, who continue to gather and menace residents at known hotspots at Port Botany, La Perouse and Brighton Le Sands.

Under Operation Torque, police and Roads and Traffic Authority officers have been flooding hotspots for over three months seizing 20 cars, using uniformed and covert teams, including officers in unmarked cars.

More than 30 police flooded meeting spots on Anzac Parade, Penryhn Rd and Foreshore Rd from about 5pm on Sunday, issuing 18 defect notices and 39 infringements.

The blitz came as more than 100 car enthusiasts gathered in the area, despite ongoing operations.

Superintdendent Ron Mason said police were determined to stamp out the hoons, who were endangering other motorists with risky driving and unroadworthy cars.

"It is (a big problem), but I think we are getting to them," he said.

"Several months back you would get 200-300, at the moment we are getting 100, so it's starting to get to them with the number of confiscations we are getting."

Supt. Mason said police called in the riot squad to quell unrest from some of the motorists, upset over the seizures.

The drivers ranged in age from 17 to 40, with one youth the car was his mothers and another driving a vehicle belongong to his brother.

The vehicles included three Holden Commodores, two GT-model Fords, a Holden Ute, Holden Torana, and Nissan 200ZX.

Sup. Mason said the message was clear for car hoons.

"This is not a one off operation. This is ongoing. Whatever day they're going to be there, we'll be there," he said

"You do the wrong thing and you can expect to pay the consequences."

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Since when has crushing even been considered in Australia?

First I've heard of it.
NSW:- This amendment makes crushing permissible, it modifies existing Rule 227 of the "Road Transport (General) Act 2005 No 11" to then read vis, see link 2 for existing 'in-force';-
[25] Section 227 Disposal and crash testing of vehicles

Insert after section 227 (4):

(5) At the request of the Authority, the Commissioner may dispose of a motor vehicle that is the subject of forfeiture under section 219 (4) or 219A

(4) by releasing it to the Authority to be used for the purposes of crash testing and any educational program for drivers of motor vehicles established by the Authority.

(6) The Authority may cause any motor vehicle released to it to be used for the purposes of crash testing and any educational program for drivers of motor vehicles established by the Authority.

See other (NSW) legislation. See link two re 218/219-227.
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/su...o%3D4&nohits=y

http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fr....2-sec.227+0+N
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What an idiot!, to get done once is dumb!, but to do it again is just retarted!!
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Second offence for the bloke with the GT, no pity for him at all...
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Anti Hoon laws will not fix the problem. It's just another "band-aid" fix, like the wipe off 5 rubbish.

Real sad about the GT.
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No proof..
Take note..
A small loss of traction is deamed as burnout...
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sorry, but there is a time and place, if you are stupid enough to do it at the wrong time and place(ie when there is a chance of being caught(not once but twice)) then you deserve for your car to be taken away, whether it is a 1979 toyota corona or a 2008 lambo gallardo
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I wrote a long post to some of the people in this thread who display what can only be catagorized as inept short term thinking in regards to their own property rights, then i realised its pointless trying to teach sheep to dance.

So. Baaaa. Eat grass. Pay Tax. Vote when you are told.
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I wrote a long post to some of the people in this thread who display what can only be catagorized as inept short term thinking in regards to their own property rights, then i realised its pointless trying to teach sheep to dance.

So. Baaaa. Eat grass. Pay Tax. Vote when you are told.

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Going to these known "Hoon hotspots" and doing burnouts, is like shop lifting from a police station.
While I think the laws suck as the punnishment is not equal, they knew the punishment and did it in such an obvious spot.
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Why would it be sold on second offence?

I thought it was 3rd offence before that happens.
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A guy I know used to work at the holding yard in Enfield , and has driven a few very well know cars around that had been impounded.
Not one has ever been sold.
Too much of a legal minefield to actually sell em off.
Even though the car is impounded the car is still owned by the person it was taken off until a court order is put into place.
So the easy way is to sell your car to someone the next day. No legal grounds to sell off and quite possibly released early.
Straight fromthe horses mouth.
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For all those that say this is a band aid solution to the problem, I want to ask a question.

After hearing about this, would YOU go and do this in these "hotspots" now?
Or even congregate in the area with your car?


If you want to do burnouts or donuts or drag race....do it a suitable location like a drag strip or supervised track.
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I sit hear and wonder how these laws got this far, yes doing a burnout is illegal, But when it comes to confiscating somebody's personal property for something as trivial as creating some noise and tyre smoke i think the line has been crossed and ****ed all over by the government.

What other act's attract this penalty, well dealing in Drug manufacturing and or distributing, Gun ruining and other Highly illegal activity's can have your assets frozen and confiscated so are we really sticking burnout's in with this level of crime.

In all honesty we are being manipulated by the media and government and we are all falling for it, IE Binge drinking is all of a sudden a major problem and what do ya know we are all paying more for drinks now to "Fix the "problem" that has been going on since god knows when.

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These laws are crossing the line. If a police officer decides you did a "burnout", your car leaves on a tow truck without you. Why is it that all criminals are presumed innocent until proven guilty, while motorists are guilty as charged? If you want to challenge a penalty you have to have deep pockets and even then you have slim chances.
Why are we so over regulated? Because the Government is profiting from this type of policing.
A rapist gets out of jail in two years, this guy loses his $200K GT for doing burnouts in an area that is unpopulated at night. Yes he is a FOOL, but does the punishment fit the crime? I'd rather see repeat offenders do jail time or community service based on the seriousness of the offence.
It's typical of our Government, a problem needs addressing and they find a way to make money out of it. (eg, binge drinking is a problem, let's increase the tax on pre mixed alcoholic drinks : )
Sorry, Long rant but sick of these pollies pimping the Police force, got to wait four hours for the police when a junky holds you up, next day get booked for doing 63 in a 60 zone by a camera :jab:
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Well I agree Id hate to see an XY GT(replica or real) get crushed, (god forbid), Id hate to see the very same GT Loose control and kill innocent bystanders.
It is effective, I know I wouldnt want to get my car crushed, so I would never make that mistake a second time!
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If there was video evidence of what actually took place then I would comment but I know of a few ppl who have had their cars towed for doing chirpes into second......... :

I mean chirp, not skid, not burnout, not doughnuts, chirp - he is a member or was a member of another forum.

Where does all the money they make from fines go? to help increase or better the police force, i think not........
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I sit hear and wonder how these laws got this far, yes doing a burnout is illegal, But when it comes to confiscating somebody's personal property for something as trivial as creating some noise and tyre smoke i think the line has been crossed and ****ed all over by the government.

What other act's attract this penalty, well dealing in Drug manufacturing and or distributing, Gun ruining and other Highly illegal activity's can have your assets frozen and confiscated so are we really sticking burnout's in with this level of crime.

In all honesty we are being manipulated by the media and government and we are all falling for it, IE Binge drinking is all of a sudden a major problem and what do ya know we are all paying more for drinks now to "Fix the "problem" that has been going on since god knows when.

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For all those that say this is a band aid solution to the problem, I want to ask a question.

After hearing about this, would YOU go and do this in these "hotspots" now?
Or even congregate in the area with your car?
To answer your question, no. If someone had their hand cut off for stealing I wouldn't steal either. Still don't agree with the punishment though.
They shouldn't have the power to seize your personal assets at their discretion, then sell/crush them.
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PAINSTAKINGLY restored, with a gleaming blue spray and faultless interior, the owner of this Ford GT claims the iconic Aussie muscle car is worth at least $200,000.

But the 32-year-old will never see a cent of profit, after the prized sedan was seized by police - bound for the government sales yards - during a blitz on car hoons.
What a load of BS. How does a burnout = a $200k fine. It's a long bow to draw but a car worth that sort of money could well of been his super fund or any number of other random suggestions.

The financial implications of this approach are waaay left of centre and it infuriates me that we continue to elect govt's that carry on with this sort of tripe.

I hope he starts a meth lab in his basement to get his money back. j/k.
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What a load of BS. How does a burnout = a $200k fine. It's a long bow to draw but a car worth that sort of money could well of been his super fund or any number of other random suggestions.

The financial implications of this approach are waaay left of centre and it infuriates me that we continue to elect govt's that carry on with this sort of tripe.

I hope he starts a meth lab in his basement to get his money back. j/k.
Thats funny, thats close to the fine you get for importing illegal guns into Australia, all for doing a burnout. $200,000 for a burnout, $250,000 for importing illegal guns into Australia. I wonder which is worse?
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abosolute joke these new laws . over strict policy that generates hate. It was mentioned before they would have to try and catch me. I would be the same no way i would hand over a 200k gt or my 30k xr8 willingly it would honestly provoke me in to being a danger to the public . i know its a joke but i love my car
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