ford capri vin

[wadsymoo]

hi guys,ive just come across a barn find, a 1970 v6 gt capri,been sitting in a shed for 12 years.just wondering thou if the the vin on the compliance plate is supposed to match the radiator support like on a falcon? the compliance starts ck30kb ,model no 13018,built 3-70,eng px or py,nothing for trans,paint 3(peppermint),trim n(dark saddle),radiator support ck17ky.

the body has twin exhaust cutouts,3 bolts throught the front cross member,correct bonnet,diff,dash ect,any help would be appriciated,cheers jas

[WOGBOY69]

hi mate
was that the orange one on ebay about 2 weeks ago

[wadsymoo]

hi,no,found it between canberra and cooma nsw,wasnt advertised anywhere.

[allanv6gt]

Model 13018 = 1970 v6 GT
Engine P = v6 ) sometimes stamped as simply 'Engine PX'
Trns X = 4spd manual )
VIN CK30 <> CK17 - not sure, mine are CK17 , and vaguely remember '17' is build factory (but may be way off).
body has twin exhaust cutouts - non-standard, but something lots of people do for full twin system
3 bolts throught the front cross member - correct, and should have corner gussets at vertical top where engine inner skirt meets firewall (e.g. near fuse block), and inset in skirt for bigger V6 battery.

Barn find !!!.......<bother> where do people come across these ? <just jealous>
Good luck...

[caprispecial]

The CK stands for homebush australia and 17 stands for gt and 30 stands for four cylinder xl.

[wadsymoo]

ck30kb is on the same compliance plate with model number 13018,that what gets me,forgot too look what number was stamped near the shock tower,has the corner braces in the engine bay,the exhaust cutouts look factory to me tho,il try and put up some pics

[Jim5_0]

Ahh just leave it there. Tell me where it is and I'll go and get it 8-)

But seriously the 13018 signifies a 1970 built GT and the CK17 on the slam panel indicates a GT but the CK30 number on the compliance plate well that's a mistery.

If you have a look under the front guard above where the anti sway bar mounts are you will see the captive nuts for the front bumper bar irons. These nuts are attached to a re inforcing plate which is a separate plate on 4 cylinder models but runs back past the strut on V6 models. That one would be very hard to copy on a fake V6.

[wadsymoo]

hi,ok,well im picking up early next week,so il investigate it more when i get it home

[wadsymoo]

Some pics

[cosworthfreak]

Do you have an engine bay shot, that would be a good way to tell between a 4cyl and a v6.

As a 1600XL would have a model code of 13016 and an engine/trans code of FX, it's worth being sure that 13016 isn't being misread on the compliance plate as 13018, as well as FX being misread as PX in the engine code. If you have the compliance plate from a 1600XL on the car, then that would explain the CK30.

As Jim says, the inner guard reinforcing plate should be one piece from the strut bracing forward to the bumper attachments. The hole in the trans tunnel for a manual V6 will not be round, and will have three bolt holes (two at the front and one at the back of the opening) to enable the original v6 shifter mechanism to bolt to the floor. The inner guards in the engine bay will have triangular reinforcing plates (not the small ones all Capris have but lower down at the same height of the strut reinforcing plates), and the passenger side inner guard will have a small recess where the battery sits. The radiator support panels will be different to a 4cyl, with the passenger side support being thinner than the drivers side to accomodate the battery sitting further forward.

Happy to check other pics for you if you need. If you're after a genuine v6 it would be worth a few checks before driving down from QLD to Canberra to pick it up. It looks like it has been sitting in the weather for a while, did you see it while driving down the highway?

Cheers

Jamie

[wadsymoo]

yeh seen on the way too sale in victoria.forgot too get pics of engine bay,il try and get the owner too send me some pics of the engine bay.i rang the the capri owners club up here and was told there was some conjecture on where all capri had matching numbers?(as in compliance plate to chassis) i own a xa gt and had falcons all my life and the compliance plate always matched the chassis number.

[Jim5_0]

Compliance plate should match the VIN. I've bought several Capri's where it does not including one 1970 model GT V6 with 1969 low mounted seat belts and holes in the drivers side inner guard where the 1969 (pre compliance plate) ID plate once lived. It still had the tag in the trans tunnel where the 1600 autobox's trans shifter cable attached.

[cosworthfreak]

Originally Posted by wadsymoo

yeh seen on the way too sale in victoria.forgot too get pics of engine bay,il try and get the owner too send me some pics of the engine bay.i rang the the capri owners club up here and was told there was some conjecture on where all capri had matching numbers?(as in compliance plate to chassis) i own a xa gt and had falcons all my life and the compliance plate always matched the chassis number.

In over 21 years of owning and rebuilding these cars, plus more recent research into their ID numbers, I have not seen anything that would show that they didn't have matching numbers from the factory (nor any other of Ford's cars from that era for that matter). There may be a very small handful of Capris from late in 1972 which didn't, but even some of these late build cars are all matching as well. A non-matching numbers car from the factory would be an exception rather than the rule.

There is a difference in ID number placement between 1970 V6GT Capris and '71-'72 Capris, the 1970 cars having a similar dual numbering system to the XW Falcons.

From 1971 onwards, V6 Capris had the same number for the:

- chassis/body (as stamped on the drivers side shock tower in the engine bay)

- chassis/body (as stamped on the compliance plate)

- engine number


Prior to this, the engine number was different to the chassis/body number, but:

- the engine number is stamped on the drivers side shock tower instead of the chassis/body number (as well as the engine obviously)

- the chassis number is stamped on the slam panel for 1970 cars

- both numbers appear on the compliance plate

So for a 1970 GTV6 look for a JE or JF number on the compliance plate, check this number is stamped on the engine and on top of the drivers side shock tower in the engine bay. You would then check that the CK number on the same compliance plate is stamped on the slam panel.


As I said, happy to help if I can.


Cheers

Jamie

[wadsymoo]

hey guys,i stuffed up.just got off phone with the owner,compliance says ck17ky.serial no 66857,model 13018,engine px,but the number on the radiator support is ck30kb.....,so it looks like someone has put a gt compliance and parts into a xl body including the strut supports and everything.hasnt been regoed since 1996.

[T3man]

It was sitting out in the paddock (quite a long way from any barn LOL) last time I saw it and looked pretty sad. The numbers should match - I haven't seen every GT made but every one I have seen has been a match.

CK actually stands for Complete Kit - signifying it was brought into the country in that form and was subsequently assembled here.

[Jim5_0]

CK does not stand for Complete Kit on Capri's and Escorts it's Ford worldwide code for the build and assembly Factory "C" meaning UK (where the body pressings came from) and "K" meaning Homebush NSW (where they were assembled) Just like on a Falcon where "JG" means Australia-Geelong.

[Capriman]

Technically, the C code actually stands for 'Ford Britain affiliate, Australia'. This was the code given by Ford in Britain to all Escort, Cortina and Capri, Completely Knocked Down or CKD kits sent to Australia.

The K code does stand for the Homebush plant in Sydney were Capris, Escorts and Cortinas were all assembled and so they were all coded CK. Later on Cortinas were also assembled at G or the Broadmeadows (Passenger) plant, hence they were coded CG.

The next 2 digits for all Australian assembled Capris were model numbers, either 14 for the Deluxe, 17 for the GT (be it a '69 1600GT or the '70 to '72 3000 GT/V6) and 30 for the XL.

[allanv6gt]

CK30 on the slam panel may be a replacement panel from a smash repair. Recycling panels is not unusual, especially for these oddities. (Ask yourself how many people have put a used panel on an old car. Rego will just ask you to stamp the correct number from compliance plate on the panel.) If so, look for creases in the top of the inner skirts just between the headlights and shock tower. These horizontal sections should curve gently back towards the shock tower - with creases indicating previous front end shunt. Then...check that the repair has been done proper !!

[wadsymoo]

yeh,just got it home,il post close up pics soon,has all the right bits including battery recess,bracing on firewall,bracing from struts too radiator support(where bar bolts up),so im guess'n that might be the case

[wadsymoo]

Engine and dash pics

[cosworthfreak]

Not going to rebuild it Jason?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ford-capri-19...ts_Accessories

[wadsymoo]

was going too,but im not going too have time now as the business im buying has come up alot quicker than originally planned.so il just keep my xa gt