What do recomond?? Chasing around 170RWKW

Sweet_EL_ · 01-06-2006, 03:43 PM

Ok I've got a unichip on the way, thanks to a member here...

So now I'm looking a chasing around the 170rwkw mark but not sure what I should do next... Should I upgrade my cam / if so what cam?? I've been thinking of changing my pacey's 4499 to 4480 comp headers with the ceramic coating, then getting the head ported (to match the headers) and polished.

So what do you guys recomond??

castek · 01-06-2006, 06:59 PM

well i am currently only running pacemaker headers and a sports pipe, and i been told if i chuck a small cam in (not sure on specifics) i'll be bumpin power up to around the 140-150rwkw area. i was told this by a mate i trust and he has done these cars before. so i would definately say cam, and head work. why not look at a package from come racing or someone similar? they'll give you a cam and head work to match.

EDXR6T · 01-06-2006, 07:08 PM

170 is some seriouse power out of a 6

you' have to raise the comp for sure and yer huge cam, porting like crazy and all round reco

or just get a low boost snortperformance kit and slap that thing on the side of ur donk

FULLY SICK TURBO ULEH!

BI6TIM · 01-06-2006, 07:14 PM

Well mate my ED does roughly 150rwkw with the standard ecu. Normal old Pacemakers (not comps), 2.5" mandrel bent pipe, K&N air filter and unmodified Tickford head. It does have a cam in it but it's only a baby.

Put a sizable cam and heavier valve springs in it. I don't know what to suggest by way of modifying the head, but with the stuff you've already got in your engine bay and a custom tune you should easily be able to reach your goal in an EL Ghia!

I had an EL Ghia that I put some 'go fast' stuff in, the same cam as is in my car now and it was going sooo fast. But before I got a chance to put it on the dyno or run it down the quarter my wife smashed it to pieces. She ruined the whole drive line :(

EB Pete · 01-06-2006, 08:27 PM

thats the mark i am aiming for and this is what i have done to get near it (still putting it together).

board and honed out .5mm (20thou)
balanced and sorta blueprinted
block decked 4 thou
crow stage 4 cam 2222543
crow xr6 springs
crow vernier cam gear
head work - ported which flowed 382hp intake, larger exhuast valves, multi angled valve seats, all new stuff in there, head shaved
comp ratio raised to 9.8-10:1
intake manilold modified to flow alot better (early version)
throttle body matched to intake manifold.
normal pacemakers and 2 1/2 mercury system which will be changed to comp pacemakers (better suited to my cam) and 2 1/2 mandrel bent exhuast
haltech computer (later on)

Age182 · 01-06-2006, 08:50 PM

mate if that dusnt make more than 170kw theres sumthin rong all dat work should head near or over the 200lw mark good luck tho...

nat_daly · 01-06-2006, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Age182

mate if that dusnt make more than 170kw theres sumthin rong all dat work should head near or over the 200lw mark good luck tho...

yeah i was gonna say... if a cam and full exhaust gets you around 150rwkw, let alone a stage 4 cam..
should be pushing 200+rwkw
good luck let us know what u end up getting

mcflux · 01-06-2006, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nat_daly

yeah i was gonna say... if a cam and full exhaust gets you around 150rwkw, let alone a stage 4 cam..
should be pushing 200+rwkw
good luck let us know what u end up getting

200rwkw? Atmo six?

EB Pete · 01-06-2006, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

200rwkw? Atmo six?

i don't know what Atmo stands for, but i have built my car around others on here and i don't think 200+rwkw is possible N/A. this is still a street car (i hope) but i really want to get into the 13s club but i think i'll be really pushing it with the btr sitting behind her.

mcflux · 01-06-2006, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EB Pete

i don't know what Atmo stands for, but i have built my car around others on here and i don't think 200+rwkw is possible N/A. this is still a street car (i hope) but i really want to get into the 13s club but i think i'll be really pushing it with the btr sitting behind her.

Got it in one mate, "Atmo" = "N/A" (as in, operates with atmospheric pressure, rather than assisted (forced, boosted) pressure).

I've been checking up on your project too Pete. Good luck with it mate, you've certainly set yourself a difficult goal with the BTR in place.

Cheers,

-Dave-

EB Pete · 01-06-2006, 10:33 PM

i didn't think anyone was! well then i might actually have to write something in there now.

but on a serious note. i got all the stuff for me car based on what other ppl have on here and they were pushing out between 160-180rwkw. i don't know what mine will do but i'll give ya one tip before you start. work out what you want and waht you want to do and stick by that. i was happy to stick with the btr but found out off here that the T5Z dicks on it, so if your going to do all this, by the sounds of it, go manual.

Walkinshaw · 02-06-2006, 08:47 AM

that list WONT get you 200rwkw. Gaurentee it. The cam is tiny and will run out of puff round the 150rwkw mark. 209@50, 500" and 114LSA will NOT run to 200.

F6T · 02-06-2006, 09:46 AM

Mine is 160.5 rwkt. 96 xh falcon ute (not an xr model).

Unichip, pod filter, port polish, shaved head, extractors, 2.5" exhaust with a stage 2.5 crow cam.

I was after 170rwkt myself but you gotta spend bick bucks to get those last few extra kwt.

I saw a 1997 xh falcon ute in an Aussie Ute magazine a few months back - had the same modifications as mine but he had bored it out and put tougher springs in....that was the only difference and he was getting 172 rwkt.

Kenaz · 02-06-2006, 10:14 AM

Go to Jim Mock and order a DEV 5. I think they claim around 170rwkW for that package.

Walkinshaw · 02-06-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenaz

Go to Jim Mock and order a DEV 5. I think they claim around 170rwkW for that package.

rwmw?

Kenaz · 02-06-2006, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Walkinshaw

rwmw?

Sorry that's what I meant.

Sweet_EL_ · 02-06-2006, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by EB Pete

i didn't think anyone was! well then i might actually have to write something in there now.

but on a serious note. i got all the stuff for me car based on what other ppl have on here and they were pushing out between 160-180rwkw. i don't know what mine will do but i'll give ya one tip before you start. work out what you want and waht you want to do and stick by that. i was happy to stick with the btr but found out off here that the T5Z dicks on it, so if your going to do all this, by the sounds of it, go manual.

I was planing on keeping the BTR if it held up to all, but I would love a T5Z. I miss my T5 from my EA. How much is a T5Z? Are they ez to find?? Or can I rebuild a T5 into a T5Z??

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Originally Posted by EDXR6T

170 is some seriouse power out of a 6

you' have to raise the comp for sure and yer huge cam, porting like crazy and all round reco

or just get a low boost snortperformance kit and slap that thing on the side of ur donk

FULLY SICK TURBO ULEH! .

I don't want to go silly with head work, so if don't get to the mark 170 I wont be upset. but if I want more power I have an old snort kit from my old EA some here might remember it (StarkEA)... Which it should fit on it...

What a good cam that wont change the idel too much that it'll be noticed??

BI6TIM · 02-06-2006, 06:11 PM

You can get the t5Z from Mal Wood Automotive in Warwick, they charge about $2200 for it. Don't know if that's fitted but it's not like he'll be fitting it for you seeing as you don't live anywhere near Warwick.

The BTR will take the power if you spend a couple of bucks on it. Call MV Automatics in Melbourne and ask them about it.

Good luck with the power search man and let me know how that Unichip goes.

FRDXR6 · 02-06-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EB Pete

i don't know what Atmo stands for, but i have built my car around others on here and i don't think 200+rwkw is possible N/A. this is still a street car (i hope) but i really want to get into the 13s club but i think i'll be really pushing it with the btr sitting behind her.

For 13's you would definantly need a T5/T5z and 3.7 or 3.9 LSD.

I dont think anyone has ever got to 200rwkw with an n/a I6 yet alone one that was driveable on the street.

EB Pete · 02-06-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Walkinshaw

that list WONT get you 200rwkw. Gaurentee it. The cam is tiny and will run out of puff round the 150rwkw mark. 209@50, 500" and 114LSA will NOT run to 200.

will it run to 170rwkw? i thought it was quite big compared to others out there?

MADED-6 · 02-06-2006, 06:58 PM

yeah not even the jmm red eb gets 200rwkw. theyre making 185rwkw i think it is.

The Goodz · 02-06-2006, 10:15 PM

The cam I've got in mine is a 650" lift with 10.5:1 comp, extractors, 2.75" exhaust, ported/polished head, 4L AU bottom end, ported inlet manifold and enlarged throttle body with a Wolf 3D and AU injectors, and I'm doing 160rwkw on a poor tune, with potentional for 175-180rwkw with a good tune and a CAI and thermos (still running clutch fan). No way known you'll get anywhere above 150-160rwkw with the setup you're suggesting.

Alex

opto · 02-06-2006, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goodz

The cam I've got in mine is a 650" lift with 10.5:1 comp, extractors, 2.75" exhaust, ported/polished head, 4L AU bottom end, ported inlet manifold and enlarged throttle body with a Wolf 3D and AU injectors, and I'm doing 160rwkw on a poor tune, with potentional for 175-180rwkw with a good tune and a CAI and thermos (still running clutch fan). No way known you'll get anywhere above 150-160rwkw with the setup you're suggesting.

Alex

How the hell are you running a 650" lift with that compression of 10.5:1.
Even if you fly cut your pistons, the valves would be bouncing off your piston tops and your rockers would be twisted metal.

The Goodz · 02-06-2006, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by opto

How the hell are you running a 650" lift with that compression of 10.5:1.
Even if you fly cut your pistons, the valves would be bouncing off your piston tops and your rockers would be twisted metal.

Well it would appear not!

Alex

Walkinshaw · 03-06-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by opto

How the hell are you running a 650" lift with that compression of 10.5:1.
Even if you fly cut your pistons, the valves would be bouncing off your piston tops and your rockers would be twisted metal.

Go arround and ask what lift speedway racers run in their 4.0's. I'd be supprised if they said under 600"

PV clearence isnt just related to lift, it's related to cam timing and ramp rates more so that lift.

Walkinshaw · 03-06-2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by EB Pete

will it run to 170rwkw? i thought it was quite big compared to others out there?

I run a 217@50 with 524thou lift, and I'ts designated as a torque/towing cam.

Change to a Crow 2250 ;)

EB Pete · 03-06-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Walkinshaw

I run a 217@50 with 524thou lift, and I'ts designated as a torque/towing cam.

Change to a Crow 2250 ;)

well there ya go! dammit. well i can't go the 2250 cause it's for the EL-AU motor. the only next crow cam i can go is the race cam. what other cams out there are good enough to get me to 170rwkw?

mcflux · 03-06-2006, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by EB Pete

well there ya go! dammit. well i can't go the 2250 cause it's for the EL-AU motor. the only next crow cam i can go is the race cam. what other cams out there are good enough to get me to 170rwkw?

Increasing rocker ratio should get a bit more lift out of whatever cam you run... But I think that messing with the 3.9/4.0 rocker ratios isn't a good idea (unless someone here can confirm otherwise)

eb2fairmont · 04-06-2006, 01:02 AM

its 2:1 standard anyway.

mcflux · 04-06-2006, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by eb2fairmont

its 2:1 standard anyway.

jeebuz! That's insane... so they'd bump up the lift a cam gives a fair whack eh...

And here I am with 1.7s...