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27-06-2006, 07:23 PM | #1 | ||
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hi all,
i know the mag is a little old but i read the article again tonight and came across a few things. at the start it says 'Our six-cylinder EB drag car was built partly as a response to all the doubters and keyboard warrios'. It goes on to say alot more about these 'keyboard warriors' if you haven't read it. but i was just wondering is it this forum that they are talking about or another one out there? |
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27-06-2006, 07:35 PM | #2 | ||
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Id say its a good chance it was this one but who knows.... AS i still think there dev kits are a "lil" expensive for what u get... do i get away with saying that now there not a sponsor?
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27-06-2006, 09:02 PM | #3 | ||
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Hell yeah their DEV kits are expensive. JMM are made out to be a lot better than they are. Yeah the can make an EB do a 12sec pass but do a little research on the suspension setup for starters and you'll quickly realise that it is in no way a street car. People on this forum that do 14sec or even 13sec passes do them in their daily drivers for the most part. Plus the money that anyone else would have to spend to build that car would be unachievable for most.
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27-06-2006, 09:09 PM | #4 | |||
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It is probably this one.
Good to get a mention, even if not by name!
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27-06-2006, 10:02 PM | #5 | ||
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it seems to be a bit of a touchy subject but can anyone tell me (other new members) what it's all about. i have read a few comments about JMM and don't really know the whole story.
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27-06-2006, 10:35 PM | #6 | |||
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their products are proven, but as others said, its the easy and pricey way of doing it.
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27-06-2006, 10:45 PM | #7 | |||
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LOL JMM, ahh im not even going to go there.. the gear works, but you pay for it.. start buying scratchies, then pray and hope to win if you want a Dev5.
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28-06-2006, 05:52 AM | #8 | ||||
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JMM are expensive, but they also have the best E-Series I6 1/4 mile results. Thing is, for the money of a DEV5 kit, you could almost build a relaible 250rwkw turbo motor. Quote:
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28-06-2006, 09:02 AM | #9 | ||||
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Thank you, there is no problem with customers discussing the JMM range, however, there will be no more free advertising.
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28-06-2006, 10:16 AM | #10 | |||
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That mag states it is a DRAG CAR running 12s, but like all good things u have to start from somewhere. That same car also ran low13s and highish 13s earliear in its street life. As you would expect u get every tom dick an harry doubting the performance of a car that excels over its peers.So u would expect someone to defend their work or their car..right?? Dont forget this is a public forum so its bound to have its share of know it alls. Were does it say that if u buy a dev 5 you are assured a 13sec pass?? Nowhere. It just shows potential. And the last time i checked it would cost u more to get it engineered 4 a turbo then a dev kit... |
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28-06-2006, 10:20 AM | #11 | |||
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Does it state with nitrous or without, just out of curiosity?
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28-06-2006, 12:05 PM | #12 | |||
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Comments such as the one above which by they way paragraphs are structured allude to the fact the car has a Dev5 package, which clearly it doesn't. But yes water under the bridge. Keyboard warriers, a good term for slagging people who point out deceptive tactics employed by performance houses to gain business.
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28-06-2006, 12:44 PM | #13 | |||
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THE ENGINE Is a DEV 5 Unit.....race rebuild with dev 5 kit. Upgraded with JMM Manifold.....A Bolt on upgrade Upgraded with JMM Race headers.......a Bolt on upgrade Upograded with JMM Intake piping......a bolt on upgrade All of these items were available at the time. The car is still a dev 5. Which part is NOT ?
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28-06-2006, 12:48 PM | #14 | ||
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Time to settle in and watch the :
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28-06-2006, 01:03 PM | #15 | ||
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you people are carzy....
I don now about any of it, so I am not going to comment... Unless someone can explain the full storie to me with out getting in a ****ed mannor |
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28-06-2006, 01:06 PM | #16 | ||
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I think that the keyboard warrior jibe is for all the doubters out there on the internet who think they know it all. The Jim Mock guys have been tuning ford sixes for years and have developed a lot of expertise in packaging up parts that work together. They also have made friends and enemies on forums where you don't have to be fair in what you say or do and if you offend a moderator be warned.
I am a happy dev3hl customer. I just bought the cam not the kit fitted it myself ran 136 to 142rwkw on different dynos with my choice of extractors not the kit and the kit claim was 146rwkw. Well I think that is pretty bloody good. Sure aren't getting 12 second passes but it did carve about a second of my qtr. The fact you could take the basic package and with a light weight model EB and a manual with some decent tyres and a very well prectised driver and run 12's is great. It shows what can be done. |
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28-06-2006, 01:08 PM | #17 | ||
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Everyone seems to be hanging on the Price.......
Then they go on to say they work....... Then go on to say you can get it cheaper..... Then they say its quick and easy.... So basically its Quick and Easy modifications that will work but are bit pricey. : In my life time it has always been you pay for what you get. If it works and its expensive thats because it is proven to work. If you go the cheap back yard version then it will prob break sooner than later. What is the big deal.....
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28-06-2006, 01:43 PM | #18 | ||
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well, i have a daily drivable car, (i dont drive it daily as i work i the city now and i get public transport), but my car is well capable of running consistant low 14's, on a standard XR6 motor with a cam, as the only engine mod. i have pacemaker extractors and a exhaust with some parts still standard piping... will be changing asap. I also have no JMM parts. With the help of other forum members i have done the research and work.
i do however have to question the drivability of a car with no front sway bar, el rear trailing arms for an 'agressive' pinion angle, and a ride height that could make some small 4wd's to have a second look. its not really a car thats going to pull up against you at the lights... thats what people are interested in. no doubt they might know their stuff, and done the research, but i spose for those who dont or cant be bothered researching you are always going to pay top$$$. JMM have probably helped the street cred of e-series falcons by their products by showing the POTENTIAL of 4.0L engines and helping smash 3.8L V6's by an un-named manufacturer. i have considered many times going for a trip down south and taking my car down the strip with some nice COOL southern air, and see what the ol' girl can do... and then drive back of course...
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28-06-2006, 02:02 PM | #19 | |||
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28-06-2006, 02:27 PM | #20 | |||
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The lack of interior, no sway bar, very soft shocks, make it far from a street car. A street car has all this and is how you would drive it on the road. Maybe with street slicks, and all the crap taken out of your boot, but that is about it. Last edited by SBR_SVO; 28-06-2006 at 02:44 PM. |
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28-06-2006, 02:30 PM | #21 | |||
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Also ive heard about your car before mate(pretty impressive)...but if u want to get into the low 13s id say ud better start changing suspension setups and tyres. If that doesnt work i know an expert on the subject u can ring : _2: |
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28-06-2006, 02:32 PM | #22 | ||
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one must also keep in mind if you cant do the work yourself then it would be safe to asume it to be good value paying for jmm knowledge and experiance rather than your averidge joe mechanic throwing a cam in with no idea of the results, so for some id have to say jmm is exactly what they need. for others we will play and learn ourselves.
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28-06-2006, 02:57 PM | #23 | ||
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i am going back to willowbank o the 19th of july... i definitly reckon with slicks it should be capable of 13's. but thats not a road car then...
i know suspension setup is important, i do have a good road setup, but no way i am driving a boat just for a few 400m runs now and then
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28-06-2006, 06:34 PM | #24 | |||
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show me a parts list with prices and ill build one for me self in that case
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28-06-2006, 06:45 PM | #25 | |||
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if anyone wants to know about it pm " Casper" in the au thread, he'll be more than happy to tell u what happened. from what i can see they do have a good product and at affordable prices and the price includes fit and dyno test by specialists in the I6 field. once i get some money together im going dev 3hl for the pano brendan
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28-06-2006, 11:05 PM | #26 | ||
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OED666 for 13s!!!!!!! Rollin Motorsport FTW lol :P
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28-06-2006, 11:21 PM | #27 | |||
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28-06-2006, 11:24 PM | #28 | ||
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all 12 second passes done by the JMM EB were on nos.
i'm fairly sure the article states that.
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29-06-2006, 08:19 AM | #29 | ||
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IIRC, it ran 13.2 NA before they put it on the bottle.
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29-06-2006, 08:56 AM | #30 | ||
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Something arround that Aaron. 13.34@101 i think. Fact is when you come down to it, regardles of what it does or doesnt have in it, currently it stands as the quickest 4.0 N/A eseries.
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