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18-01-2014, 03:42 PM | #1 | ||
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Another member on here recently suggested that there were no Fairlanes or LTD's plated as AUIII models.
I have a copy from a book that a dealer had which includes all makes and models of cars and in the Fairlane section it shows this :- Jul 02 : AUII models replaced by the AUIII range and it also says Jul 02 : AUIII upgrade includes - 6 way power adjustment on the passenger seat, upgraded door trims I am not challenging the other members claim. He in fact has a Jul 02 build LTD that is plated AUII so this contradicts what is in the book. I was in a Ford dealership second hand car yard the other day and asked the salesman (who had been Ford yards since pre AU days) and he said he had never seen a AUIII LWB sedan So the question is "has anyone seen or definately know of a AUIII LWB sedan" or have any other info that is relevant to the model. If such a car exists I would like to know the Model number from the build plate
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18-01-2014, 04:00 PM | #2 | ||
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Hi Shayne.
I too are interested as the other member to find out if anyone does infact have a S3 LWB. I note that there is a brochure in the brochure section here for a S3 Fairlane, which was published in March 02 iirc. Not sure if they ever saw the light of day though? Yes, my LTD is a July 02, but is most definitely a S2. Another interesting fact that I learnt from Russellw, was that in 2002, only 100 LTDs where made. That may explain why they did not go to a third series. Cheers Stu
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18-01-2014, 08:22 PM | #3 | ||
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For me, a AU III Fairlane or LTD can be identified by the side skirts that were added to AU III SWB sedans and wagons in November 2001. Earlier cars (AU/AU II) didn't have these.
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18-01-2014, 08:49 PM | #4 | ||
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I think you'll find that the issue is that while these cars did come with them, and they have been released around AUIII build dates, that they are still plated as AUII. Stu might be able to confirm but from what I gather this is what the guys are trying to clear up.
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18-01-2014, 10:35 PM | #5 | ||
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Apologies. Checked my LTD tonight, it is a June 02 build. Definitely a AUII LTD.
Still confident that there where no S3 LTDs. Not so sure with the Fairlanes. I really cannot comment on the side skirts - I have not seen a S3 LWB apart from Shayne's TL50 to see the difference. Skirts on my S2 LWB Hence this thread. Does anyone have a S3 LWB? Cheers Stu
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19-01-2014, 02:55 PM | #6 | ||
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There is certainly one Series III TL50 in existence - when I get my old computer rebuilt this week (it died on Thursday night) I'll be able to check the data I have there to see if there were any builds across that period.
Cheers Russ
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19-01-2014, 05:07 PM | #7 | ||
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That would be mine ! We know the other two are AUII. Trying to establish if its the only LWB AU III including Fairlane and LTD
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19-01-2014, 10:02 PM | #8 | ||
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There was NEVER a Series 3 longwheelbase AU. Series 2 Fairlanes and LTDs continued through until the release of the BA LWB models in (I think from memory) July 2003.
The ONLY plated Series 3 LWB vehicle is Shayne's TL#147. Russell, as you are posssibly the only person who can read this maybe you would be good enough to post it up. |
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22-01-2014, 12:44 AM | #9 | ||
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I was selling Ford at the time of going from AUII to Series III.
There were no Series III Fairlanes and LTDs. However there were Series III TL50s as they were part of FTE. I could be proven wrong as we didn't sell any retail and it was a long time ago. But I do vaguely remember the Ford rep coming out to speak with us regarding the Series III update and all of us asking why there was no update for the LWB models. |
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22-01-2014, 03:16 AM | #10 | ||
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My old AUII Fairlane Sportsman was either a month before or after Stu's AUII LTD was built, and that was also plated as an AUII...
edit: 22.05.2002 was the build date of it.
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22-01-2014, 11:02 AM | #11 | |||
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I will wait for Russell to see if he has any build info after his computer is rebuilt As per my post #7, of the 3 T3 TL50's built only one is plated AUIII
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22-01-2014, 11:12 AM | #12 | |||
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Cheers Stu
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22-01-2014, 11:16 AM | #13 | ||
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the only AU3 as such i know of in Fairlane form is the T3 TL50
i'm sure there was no official AU3 as far as standard Fairlane and LTD went.
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22-01-2014, 05:46 PM | #14 | ||
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AU3 = BA.
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22-01-2014, 05:51 PM | #15 | ||
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22-01-2014, 05:53 PM | #16 | ||
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You always had a soft spot for AUs JC!
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22-01-2014, 05:54 PM | #17 | ||
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AU5 in fact (BA 3, BA mkII 4)
Whilst being wildly off topic, I saw a G220 getting about yesterday in that really pale green. Thought "gee, that's not a bad rig.". Then got in the AU and repented
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22-01-2014, 06:04 PM | #18 | ||
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Yep, I'm on my 8th, I think, if you consider that the change to B series was a marketing ploy only - we all know the B series are really just a continuation of the A series, except if you're really an "A series" or really a "B series" stalwart, then this will not ring true. LOL
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22-01-2014, 06:28 PM | #19 | ||
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Sorry for the thread jack Shayne, but here is your typical AU4 - Started life as a T3 as you may guess from the engine and the id plate on the DS shock tower as well as the interior dash may give it away.
Cheers Stu
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22-01-2014, 08:07 PM | #20 | ||
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Yeah what a waste. I had a ride in that when it was the T3 race car at Wakefield
Posted pics of it in its former livery and as above but at a different track before the above pics were taken
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I will have to up the insurance and the price !
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22-01-2014, 10:20 PM | #22 | ||
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Now that the PC is sort of back to life (another story altogether) I can confirm the end date of AU LWB production was the 11th month 2002 which was confirmed by a DCB from that month which advised that production would not recommence until sometime in 2003 which ended up being July 2003 some 8 months after BA SWB production started.
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23-01-2014, 09:32 AM | #23 | |||
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23-01-2014, 09:58 AM | #24 | ||
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No Stu
As far as I can establish it suggests that that there was actually some S3 production but I suspect very little as it would more than likely have been only BTO while back stock was cleared. I've asked the question within Ford so we'll see what we get for a response. Cheers Russ
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23-01-2014, 10:04 AM | #25 | ||
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Thanks Russ
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23-01-2014, 10:34 AM | #26 | ||
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The plot thickens !
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23-01-2014, 12:32 PM | #27 | ||
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I have just had a look at the scanned brochure and cannot find anywhere on the actual brochure it says AUIII (yes, I may have missed something).
Sure, the file name that it was scanned under says AUIII but nowhere on the actual brochure does it say AUIII. Just had a look on Redbook and they don't have a record of AUIII LWB as well. They say that the AUII model ran until 7/2002. |
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23-01-2014, 02:47 PM | #28 | |||
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NU Fairlane 3/1999 to 11/2002 (on sale till 7/2003) - 10,297 built Which is consistant with Russ' data provided above. Big question is what where the Fairlanes modelled as from July 02? Was there any built? Would be interesting to see a different model number. The brochure scans also tell us that the S3 brochure was published in March 02, long after the S2 Brochures. Clearly there was intent to produce a S3 LWB, but was there actually any built? Stu
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23-01-2014, 05:35 PM | #29 | ||
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Maybe they decided it wasn't even worth releasing it as a specific AUIII model, and just did any planned changes to what would have been the AUIII LWB as a running change.
Makes sense to me, they didn't do anything to them worthy of creating a new model designation for them, and would have been cheaper and easier to implement any updates as running changes. |
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The only reason I vaguely remember this is because there was a Dealer Bulletin sent out about the unavailability of Fairlanes for this period and me thinking that we didn't sell any of them retail anyway. I just can't quite remember if the bulletin was for BTO only or not building them at all. |
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