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07-01-2020, 08:19 AM | #1 | |||
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07-01-2020, 08:44 AM | #2 | ||
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“Everyone who wants one has got one,” said a veteran Ford dealer, who asked not to be named.
No surprise, this was always going to happen. Holden expected and predicted the V2 Monaro would only last 3-4 years with sales halving each year. They were correct. I think they sold about 12,000 Monaros in that time frame, with an unexpected bonus of about 30,000 Pontiac GTOs and Chev Lumina coupes. |
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07-01-2020, 08:57 AM | #3 | ||
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I’d argue that despite the low aggregate sales, the “new” Monaro boosted the public image of Holden.
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07-01-2020, 09:31 AM | #4 | ||
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There have been over 25000 Mustangs sold since 2015.
Not a bad number for a two door sports car. Also Joshua Dowling reporting the Ford glass of water is half empty again.
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07-01-2020, 09:41 AM | #5 | ||
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Yet comfortably still the number one sports car in Australia and their numbers were up for December.
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07-01-2020, 09:41 AM | #6 | ||
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This is no real suprise to anyone I would have thought, mustang sales were always going to slow right down at some point once all the fans brought them, I'm sure when ford offer a substantially different model than the current one there will be some who will choose to move up from the previous model which will bolster sales numbers.
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07-01-2020, 10:02 AM | #7 | |||
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its a niche vehicle. unless a new model offers a substantial difference, buyers are unlikely to upgrade every couple of years. cars purchased on lease type deals may get replaced with another car the same, although there will always be those that want to try something else. it was never the type of car that would continue to sell consistently at 'release' type numbers.
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07-01-2020, 10:51 AM | #8 | ||
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All they now need is to ^%$ up the Ranger and Ford are toast like Holden.
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07-01-2020, 11:43 AM | #9 | |||
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almost wishing it could happen just to be right. Gen 1 T6 Ranger is now inside its final two years. Plain and simple Ranger is good design that jives with Aussie buyers but sure, they can do much better by adding in a few missing niches. They ask top dollar and yet buyers still embraced it so there’s something good going on there. I think it’s a mistake to ignore the 2.5 petrol tradie Ute at the bottom, this isn’t about maximise profit, it’s about more dealer traffic which I know Ford ignores. At this point, the profit off about 1500 tradie 2WDs would probably eclipse any profit coming from Focus, Escape and Endura. Well, that would get my vote anyway.... (that and a 2WD row rider crew cab petrol ute could replace Ford's other cars...) On Mustang, I wonder if those lower GT numbers are now because the Camaro is available or if that's just a coincidence. the other coincidence is that the decline in sales steepened once Ranger Raptor arrived.. Last edited by jpd80; 07-01-2020 at 11:57 AM. |
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07-01-2020, 12:21 PM | #10 | ||
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07-01-2020, 12:47 PM | #11 | ||
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07-01-2020, 12:49 PM | #12 | ||
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In todays Herald Sun in Melbourne - Lowest overall car sales for years , not just Mustangs !!!!
My theory is that lots of buyers brought the last of the 'Aussie Made" cars and have tended to keep them longer as there has been a lack of direct replacement. Example - No V8's ,No 6cyl Turbos etc. I think the buying delay plus the SUV + small car trend killed the 'Commodore'. This won't change in the near future and even the Mustang might not have a V8 in the future, maybe the 4 and the great V6 they have got in USA.
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07-01-2020, 01:31 PM | #13 | |||
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Just those looking for affordable performance cars stuck around and they only make up a small percentage of the market. . |
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07-01-2020, 08:06 PM | #14 | ||
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Whoops wrong thread...
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07-01-2020, 08:14 PM | #15 | ||
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It means they are a one trick pony. You know the saying about eggs and baskets?
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07-01-2020, 08:15 PM | #16 | |||
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Eggs and baskets is no marketing strategy, make a good product and double down on it. Ford and Holden have survived on one trick ponies for decades, Ranger is second only to F Series in term of profit percentage per vehicle. |
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07-01-2020, 08:58 PM | #17 | |||
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07-01-2020, 09:42 PM | #18 | ||
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I think one thing that also needs to be taken into consideration, is that when a lot of a particular "new category/model series" of a car has been sold over a number of years... So too, does the number of second hand cars of that model become available or increase.
When the 2015+ Mustang came to our shores, if you wanted one, you had no choice but to buy a new one, that coupled to pent-up initial demand from enthusiasts created a high sales volume. As the novelty of owning a 2 door sports coupe wore off with many people and it's impracticalities, many are starting to appear on the used car lots, and with very low kilometres for their age, (quite a few being toys used for the weekends of course). I think quite a few people who cannot afford upwards of $70K for a new fully optioned out GT, are instead opting for a low kilometre 2017 model GT, which can be had any day of the week for circa $45 ~ 50K. That's quite a saving, for what is still a very much a new car with the balance of new car warranty (In May 2018, Ford went 5 year warranty and unlimited kilometres, as we all know). Many MY17 built models were first registered in the second half of 2018, so that warranty applies. This has had to affect the volume of new Mustangs sold. To put the sales of new 2015+ Mustangs into perspective.... According to the ABS Motor Vehicle Census of 2019, there are 19,500,000 currently registered cars in Australia. Assume circa 25,000 Mustangs have been sold. Then that represents 0.00128% of cars currently registered. Or to put it another way, 1 in every 780 cars still registered is a 2015+ Mustang. That is a fair number for a 2 door sports coupe, compared to any other brand/model coupe sold in Australia. Last edited by GO FURTHER; 07-01-2020 at 09:50 PM. |
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07-01-2020, 10:23 PM | #19 | ||
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LOL @ Ford originally expecting only 1,000 sales.....
could the analysts at Ford be any further west of wrong.. yes men telling the FOA CEO what he wants to hear? |
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08-01-2020, 06:53 AM | #20 | ||
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I guess there are only so many guys and gals having a mid life crisis.
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08-01-2020, 07:42 AM | #21 | ||
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I think slow downs happen with most cars , not just Mustang . Not sure whether it's the end of the Honeymoon Period or whether it's just that it's just settling down to a more normal set of numbers .
Does anybody know what resale trading is like ? I wonder are some people waiting for a pre-loved Mustang rather than going the extra dosh for a new one off the showroom floor . Even if sales stay lower I'm guessing the love affair with Mustang will always remain while they keep building them . I hope so anyway . |
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08-01-2020, 08:23 AM | #22 | ||
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At least FoA doesn't have to find the money for a whole new product cycle,
that was the real kicker for Falcon needing to self fund everything. There's a 5.0 V8 Hybrid being released in the USA later this year, I wonder if we get a version here as a more fuel efficient power adder than the conventional supercharger route... |
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08-01-2020, 08:24 AM | #23 | |||
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08-01-2020, 08:32 AM | #24 | ||
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I don't believe that is quite correct.
When Holden & Ford were number 1 in sales they always needed & 2nd & 3rd tier car to back up the numbers. In the 80s when Ford finally beat to become to become No.1 they had the Laser & Telstar selling well. They wouldn't have been No. 1 with Falcon/Fairmont/Fairlane alone. When Holden got back on top they had Astra & Rodeo to back up the Commodore, the Commodore range alone wouldn't have been enough. Look at Toyota, it is their wide range that makes them No. 1, not Hi-Lux or Corolla alone. Dr Terry |
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08-01-2020, 08:54 AM | #25 | |||
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as in, survived not lead the sales chart. The reason local manufacturing existed for so long was the revenue generated justified continued operations. (without Territory replacing Fairlane, Falcon would have died much earlier) Sales of second and third tier/ import vehicles barely covered their costs. Vehicles like Mustang carry a lot more profit and don't rely on local sales to fund the next product cycle, that's the difference. This Mustang generation is now in its seventh year in the USA so it's getting harder to jump the shark every year, even the yanks are down to about 5,000/mth and they have nearly 20 x people. And it really narks me that people keep putting Ford in the same bin with Holden simply on dumb bunny sales numbers when the prices / profits on Ranger, Everest and Mustang are just so much higher. Last edited by jpd80; 08-01-2020 at 09:12 AM. |
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And don't worry, there is a lot of good stuff in the pipeline that will only boost Rangers appeal. |
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