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Old 03-03-2006, 12:24 AM   #1
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Question Fiesta engine variable-valve?

Hi. After checking the brochure on Fiesta's Duratec 16V 1.6L engine, I wonder: is this engine variable-value capable?

For example: Jazz has its VTEC (in 1.5L only, not the 1.3L), Mazda 2 has its SVT (sequential valve timing), Echo/Yaris has its VVTi (variable valve timing with intelligence - as if!).

Is Fiesta's engine just pure DOHC & no other fancy stuff?

Does anyone has Fiesta's power/torque versus RPM graphs? Somewhere posted here? From the graph, you can some times tell the point where the variable valve (if any) kicks in.

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Old 03-03-2006, 09:55 AM   #2
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VTEC and all the other ones , there well think of it as power band like on a motor bike ,They just make the engine work better under more load thats a very basic understanding , no the fiesta is just dohc , but it has a very goood engine design so that helps , i feel it needs a little more touqe in my opition .
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Old 03-03-2006, 01:02 PM   #3
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The fiesta does not get any variable valve technology. It has an extremely flat torque curve until 4k where it does start to run out of breath, but this is great for city driving as the torque is down low.

Ford does have an updated 1.6L duratec engine in the focus range which has 85kw and 148NM of torque, not sure why they didn't include the new engine in the fiesta facelift as the engine is now well down on power with the other cars in the class (even the getz has 85kw).
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Old 03-03-2006, 01:22 PM   #4
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The fiesta does not get any variable valve technology. It has an extremely flat torque curve until 4k where it does start to run out of breath, but this is great for city driving as the torque is down low.

Ford does have an updated 1.6L duratec engine in the focus range which has 85kw and 148NM of torque, not sure why they didn't include the new engine in the fiesta facelift as the engine is now well down on power with the other cars in the class (even the getz has 85kw).
Other's may have more power - but usually they don't go as quick. The Fiesta engine is quite high-tec and a very good 1.6L. Ask Mitch - he has alllllllll the articles on the 1.6L engine. I wouldnt say power drops off at 4k... more like 5000rpm. Also - although it isn't variable valve timing, it does like to rev. It's not like ALOT of small cars out there that need to rev to get to power, however sound harsh in doing it. The Fiesta is a great sounding engine... just wish it was faster!
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Old 03-03-2006, 05:57 PM   #5
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''the engine's highly durable camshaft sprocket is made of a glass and mineral fibre-filled phneolic synthetic resin plastic and weighs only 167 grams, compared to 400 grams for a similar design in metal.''

''It features a precision, sand-cast, light aluminium alloy block with a closed deck and a deep skirt. Cylinder bore liners of cast iron ensure tightly controlled geometry for less internal friction. The Duratec also delivers maximum bottom-end rigidity through a separate cast aluminium bearing beam bolted inside the lower block skirt.''

''Aluminium construction
The aluminium construction of the 1.6L Duratec 16V makes it one of the lightest, most compact and efficient petrol engines produced in Europe. The deep-skirted, closed-deck sand casting of the block features cast-iron bore liners with tightly controlled geometry. An aluminium bearing beam and cast structural aluminium oil pan provide a robustly strong bottom end.''


''Head detail
The 1.6L Duratec 16V engine features a double overhead cam design, with valves at an included angle of 42 degrees. The spark plugs are nearly centrally mounted in the pentroof combustion chamber, allowing for circular flame propagation and improved fuel economy, especially in part-load conditions.

Piston and rod
The 1.6L Duratec 16V's lightweight alloy pistons has a low-friction coating. The connecting rods are fracture-split sintered steel. The bore size is 79mm and the stroke 81.4mm.''


''Intake manifold
The 1.6L Duratec 16V's intake manifold was crafted with extensive attention to detail through the use of Ford's proprietary computer-aided design resources. It was designed for manufacturing simplicity, consists of only three parts, and is made of friction-welded plastic to be more flow-efficient and stay cooler than ordinary cast metal.

The manifold possesses precisely designed intake runners with a diameter of 36mm. The runners are fully symmetrical in length from the centre of the throttle plate to the intake valve, a technique that has achieved a larger car sound quality from a small car engine.

The intake system features a solid-state temperature and pressure sensor, which makes more precise air mass measurements. These measurements are constantly relayed to the engine management module for efficient engine production. The design also features a separate air cleaner unit for mechanical package efficiency and enhanced pedestrian protection by providing impact space under the hood.

Electronic throttle
Fiesta's 1.6L Duratec 16V engine has a highly responsive electronic drive-by-wire throttle. This technology allowed engineers total freedom in calibrating the relationship between the pedal angle and the throttle plate under varied operating conditions. This provides excellent responsiveness and contributes to the vehicle's class-leading driving dynamics.

Knock sensing technology
The 1.6L Duratec 16V engine has an optimised knock control system, which continuously adapts the engine's operating parameters in real time to optimise performance and economy for all grades of fuel from 95 RON upwards.

Energy management alternator
Fiesta's 1.6L Duratec 16V engine features an intelligent energy-management alternator with dual internal cooling fans. The alternator senses the battery's charging needs as well as load changes on the electrical system and signals the engine management module to adjust idle speeds accordingly. It also senses changes in vehicle operating conditions, taking advantage of 'free energy' during vehicle deceleration to increase battery-charging levels.

The alternator is driven by a serpentine poly-V belt made of a new "smart" composite rubber with material characteristics that allow the belt to adjust its own length according to operating conditions. This allowed engineers to do away with the dynamic tensioner and save weight.

Fuel injection system
Fiesta's 1.6L Duratec 16V engine is fitted with a sequential electronic fuel injection (SEFI) system, which injects precisely measured quantities of fuel into each individual cylinder at the optimum point in each combustion cycle. The SEFI system incorporates injectors with a two-hole design. These deliver a twin-spray pattern directly toward the twin inlet ports of each cylinder for more spray penetration and less wall wetting. This in turn translates to improved driveability and low emissions.''
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Old 03-03-2006, 06:16 PM   #6
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Good find there Mitch!

I particularly like this quote:

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Knock sensing technology
The 1.6L Duratec 16V engine has an optimised knock control system, which continuously adapts the engine's operating parameters in real time to optimise performance and economy for all grades of fuel from 95 RON upwards.
I guess the Fiesta does need more then 95 octane petrol then....

Well, it should work better
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Old 03-03-2006, 07:10 PM   #7
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Yeah I beleive that whole speil for the fiesta was on Autoweb. I've read it before. It goes on and on and on about everything about Fiesta.
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Old 03-03-2006, 09:11 PM   #8
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but in reality, its the same tech that everyone else uses. sequential fuel injection is common place knowledge, along with knock sensors and drive by wire throttle.

the lack of any form of variable valve timing is a pretty meagre effort from the ford boffins, considering its been around for ages. i guess thats the reason why most other small car motors do the dirty on the duratec in terms of power output.
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Old 04-03-2006, 02:11 AM   #9
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Josh... the Fiesta does well with Torque though (which is a major factor). Power is average - but torque is pretty good! Better then the Swift....
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