LPG Injection - The New Inventors

Steve_T · 20-04-2005, 09:53 PM

Sorry if this has been posted before.

Anyone see The New Inventors on ABC tonight? There was a bloke who has come up with a new LPG injection system (vapour injection, not liquid). Looks very good and simple. Just replace your injectors with LPG ones fed from a special regulator/converter. Factory ECU still thinks it's running on petrol and controls everything just the same. Sequential MPEFI on LPG.

Looks like he did most of his development etc. on Falcons too!

GTi Stealth is what it's called. Anyway look here - www.gas-injection.com

Steve.

rag top · 20-04-2005, 11:38 PM

Very interesting - more power over petrol running the standard OEM computer!

JC · 21-04-2005, 12:08 AM

And only about $3000 to install. I previously posted something about this in the LPG section, and was actually looking at investing in his company....but didn't.

WIKIDSTIX · 21-04-2005, 12:20 AM

thats pretty interesting, i wonder if they would do old ford motors

gtfpv · 21-04-2005, 12:39 AM

it has lots of potential you can increase the comprssion from standard 9.5/1 to 13.5/1 on lpg however it is a slower burning fuel than petrol so cam work may be advised , but then again just increasing the compression would compensate.if they are getting better power out of standard engines imagine one that is built to suit lpg. like the EGAS engine from ford.

JC · 21-04-2005, 12:42 AM

If it's Fuel injected, they will do it. Give Bill a call and have a chat - he's a really nice bloke, and will tell you if they have an installer/agent over there in the west.

WIKIDSTIX · 21-04-2005, 01:06 AM

chears jc, i know a lot of people that would be interested.

hey wats the go with the government rebate on gas, anyone know?

banarcus · 21-04-2005, 07:57 AM

When will this be comercially available? Sounds like a very good idea...

redGhia · 26-07-2005, 08:38 PM

anyone know if this system is in production, I see that parnell have a sequential system out now

Racecraft · 26-07-2005, 08:41 PM

yes Sprint Gas sell the kits $3200 installed for the i6's

redGhia · 26-07-2005, 08:55 PM

do you know if the LPI systems are avail yet as well

sfr rob · 26-07-2005, 09:31 PM

can i ask a stupid question???

what is the difference beween unleaded and gas injection?
what are the benifits??

rob

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outback_ute · 26-07-2005, 09:40 PM

Huh? To give a stupid answer (well a short one anyway) the change is like (ie exactly the same as) going from carby petrol to EFI, only with LPG. Better control over the engine, so better efficiency.

sfr rob · 26-07-2005, 09:42 PM

ok thanks.

so not really any BIG deal then?

Steffo · 26-07-2005, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfr rob

ok thanks.

so not really any BIG deal then?

LPG is cheaper, burns far cleaner, and is better for your engine. Plus, it is 105 RON, whereas the best petrol we get at the pump is 98 RON. I'd say its a pretty big deal.

ratter · 26-07-2005, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steffo

LPG is cheaper, burns far cleaner, and is better for your engine. Plus, it is 105 RON, whereas the best petrol we get at the pump is 98 RON. I'd say its a pretty big deal.

You forgot to mention the extra valve seat recession LPG causes :(

Steffo · 26-07-2005, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratter

You forgot to mention the extra valve seat recession LPG causes :(

For LPG applications you should fit harder valve seats, but it tends to be OK with most modern unleaded cars, although on older stuff its not that nice. But, IMHO, the benefits outweigh the negatives.

ratter · 26-07-2005, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steffo

For LPG applications you should fit harder valve seats, but it tends to be OK with most modern unleaded cars, although on older stuff its not that nice. But, IMHO, the benefits outweigh the negatives.

Agree, but I see a lot more valve problems with LPG cars (late models) than just petrol cars

XRated · 27-07-2005, 12:34 AM

Interesting. How would it go with a boosted I6?

**Mechan1k** · 27-07-2005, 08:02 PM

I am eagerly awaiting this for my EGAS engine.

I want to go LPI from the current mixer setup.
Apparently power is much better than the standard factory petrol motors.

Also get better economy and cleaner emmisions as well ... with more power.
I think the $3,000 is worth it ... wonder if it is cheaper to convert a current LPG carby setup to LPI?????

**Mechan1k** · 27-07-2005, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racecraft

yes Sprint Gas sell the kits $3200 installed for the i6's

Yeah ... where ... who???
Very interested

deesun · 27-07-2005, 08:26 PM

Its great to see another system which seems on face value to be beter than current crop.But the facts remain that the cost of $3000+ is hard to recoup except in high km cars. Not all gas is half the cost of petrol and it needs to be to mean significant savings.

Racecraft · 27-07-2005, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mechan1k

Yeah ... where ... who???
Very interested

I'll get you the name and number of someone in Sydney

redGhia · 27-07-2005, 08:41 PM

i will be able to repay a $3000 gas system in approx 1.5 years, 25000 a year paying $1.20 p/l for bp ultimate and averaging gas @ 50c a litre

http://www.parnell.com.au/index.php?...d=11&Itemid=34

or for astd system it will take 11 months, Going from spending close to 5k a year on gas to approx $1800 on gas

redGhia · 27-07-2005, 08:43 PM

Here is a reply from parnell about their liquid vapour sys

Ashley,

Firstly, thank you for requesting further information on the Parnell Sequential vapour Injection (SVI) system to suit your EF XR6 Sedan. Parnell LP Gas Systems are thrilled to introduce this product onto the market. After lengthy Research and Development we are pleased to formally introduce the product onto the market and trust that you enjoy the advantages that Parnell SVI offers.
Parnell SVI technology will deliver significant improvements in the vehicles performance with regards to power, economy and emissions. LPG motoring has never been better - Parnell SVI will save you more than money! We look forward to you experiencing the benefits of Parnell SVI on your own vehicle.

Features of the Parnell SVI System:

a.. Parnell SVI technology incorporates a separate set of injectors located in the manifold closely located to the cylinder inlet. The state of the art equipment fully integrates with the vehicles electronic control unit.
b.. Separate LPG contents gauge and changeover switch is neatly mounted into the dash of the vehicle.
c.. Dual fuel conversion
d.. 1,500 klm free inspection after conversion
e.. Parnell SVI is an aftermarket kit that is being used extensively through out Australia on New and used applications.
f.. Parnell offers a 3 year / 100,000 klm (new vehicle) or 2 year 50,000klm (used vehicle) Nationwide Parnell warranty on the LPG System, which is supported by our own National Installer Network.
g.. Parnell also offers our Sapphire Warranty option, that is an optional extra that provides cover against consequential damage to the upper cylinder and air induction system at an additional charge of $350.00 plus GST - for further information please contact our office.
Parnell SVI Installation Pricing:

Ford XR6 (none Turbo) EF Sedan Parnell SVI 3rd Generation System $ 3,100
plus GST

Ford XR6 (none Turbo) EF Sedan Ring Venturi 2nd Generation System $2,020
plus GST - (recommended)

Parnell Sapphire Warranty Option $350.00

Please Note:

a.. Pricing is exclusive of GST
b.. Terms are strictly C.O.D on completion of the conversion
c.. Conversion pricing is fully inclusive of all charges except GST
d.. Installations on other applications are available - contact Parnell LP Gas Systems for pricing
e.. The system being offered here is an aftermarket LPG system and we recommend that the direct to discuss the implications on the new vehicle warranty
f.. Pricing will remain valid for 60 days from today's date
g.. Installation to be done onsite by an Authorised Parnell Installer - location T.B.C
h.. Pricing excludes pick up and delivery of vehicle Please do not hesitate to contact our office on 03 9315 1699 for additional information or any issue clarified.

I trust that this quotation meets your approval and I look forward to receiving your call to co-ordinate a mutually convenient time for the installation.

Regards Mark Somers

Anyone have any leads on who does LPI yet, I am looking at this very seriously atm

**Mechan1k** · 28-07-2005, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racecraft

I'll get you the name and number of someone in Sydney

Legend!!!!

I think the $3000 is well worth it .... especially if you are going to end up with more power than the etrol run version .... better economy and longer tank range. A cleaner running vehicle that will save me more money.

I will make the cost back very quickly doing courier work ... that's for sure.

**Mechan1k** · 28-07-2005, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redGhia

Here is a reply from parnell about their liquid vapour sys

Ashley,

Firstly, thank you for requesting further information on the Parnell Sequential vapour Injection (SVI) system to suit your EF XR6 Sedan. Parnell LP Gas Systems are thrilled to introduce this product onto the market. After lengthy Research and Development we are pleased to formally introduce the product onto the market and trust that you enjoy the advantages that Parnell SVI offers.
Parnell SVI technology will deliver significant improvements in the vehicles performance with regards to power, economy and emissions. LPG motoring has never been better - Parnell SVI will save you more than money! We look forward to you experiencing the benefits of Parnell SVI on your own vehicle.

Features of the Parnell SVI System:

a.. Parnell SVI technology incorporates a separate set of injectors located in the manifold closely located to the cylinder inlet. The state of the art equipment fully integrates with the vehicles electronic control unit.
b.. Separate LPG contents gauge and changeover switch is neatly mounted into the dash of the vehicle.
c.. Dual fuel conversion
d.. 1,500 klm free inspection after conversion
e.. Parnell SVI is an aftermarket kit that is being used extensively through out Australia on New and used applications.
f.. Parnell offers a 3 year / 100,000 klm (new vehicle) or 2 year 50,000klm (used vehicle) Nationwide Parnell warranty on the LPG System, which is supported by our own National Installer Network.
g.. Parnell also offers our Sapphire Warranty option, that is an optional extra that provides cover against consequential damage to the upper cylinder and air induction system at an additional charge of $350.00 plus GST - for further information please contact our office.
Parnell SVI Installation Pricing:

Ford XR6 (none Turbo) EF Sedan Parnell SVI 3rd Generation System $ 3,100
plus GST

Ford XR6 (none Turbo) EF Sedan Ring Venturi 2nd Generation System $2,020
plus GST - (recommended)

Parnell Sapphire Warranty Option $350.00

Please Note:

a.. Pricing is exclusive of GST
b.. Terms are strictly C.O.D on completion of the conversion
c.. Conversion pricing is fully inclusive of all charges except GST
d.. Installations on other applications are available - contact Parnell LP Gas Systems for pricing
e.. The system being offered here is an aftermarket LPG system and we recommend that the direct to discuss the implications on the new vehicle warranty
f.. Pricing will remain valid for 60 days from today's date
g.. Installation to be done onsite by an Authorised Parnell Installer - location T.B.C
h.. Pricing excludes pick up and delivery of vehicle Please do not hesitate to contact our office on 03 9315 1699 for additional information or any issue clarified.

I trust that this quotation meets your approval and I look forward to receiving your call to co-ordinate a mutually convenient time for the installation.

Regards Mark Somers

Anyone have any leads on who does LPI yet, I am looking at this very seriously atm

I enquired about this for Factory Dedicated Gas vehicles ... and here is the response I received:

Simon,

Our system is not compatible with the dedicated LPG system - it is only available in a dual fuel capacity.

Regards Mark Somers

**Mechan1k** · 28-07-2005, 02:10 PM

I have found GTi though

and have shot an email off to them about it

**Mechan1k** · 28-07-2005, 05:04 PM

Reply from Bill Campbell at GTi

Hi Simon,

Thanks for your enquiry; unfortunately at the moment we do not have any retail product available. I have largely completed the research and beta testing, and am at the commercialisation stage. I am actively seeking investors to assist with the commercialisation of the product. Once I can organise the funding, we will have commercial product available in 12 - 18 months. You may not be able to invest personally, but you may know someone who can. If you have any contacts for investment, I would be pleased to receive the information.

The EGAS engine is a bit of a problem because they don’t have the injector holes drilled in the manifold, or a fuel rail for the injectors and the wiring harness is not installed for the injectors. It would be an expensive exercise and you would probably only gain power because on the EGAS engine the mixer type gas system is controlled by the Ford computer, so the economy would probably not change all that much.

Best Regards

Bill Campbell

Gas Injection Technologies Pty Ltd.

bindi · 28-07-2005, 06:08 PM

Yeah I tried Bill Campbell at Smithfield, but got the same email in response.

Bum.