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I reply to an email inquiry from me today Castrol Australia has advised:
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Perhaps it would also be good time to buy shares in Lubegard https://www.lubegard.com/products/bt...rsion-formula/
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I know my son's pld 2010 Fg EcoLPi used a BTR auto trans. Anyone with one (or later) know what ATF was specified in the owners' handbook for these?
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I've contacted https://www.dsinternational.com.au/ for comment on the suitability of Dexron VI Mercon LV Multivehcile in BTR transmission buy I suspect the will say as they have never tested anything but TQ95 in these transmissions they cannot advise.
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I'm pretty sure EcoLPi was released in July 2011 and they use the ZF 6-speed auto. I think your son's car is an Egas model, which used the 4-speed auto.
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I don't see a problem using the Mercon LV, it is used in other ford 6 speeds based on the ZF design.
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But no you are both missing the point this is for an Australian manufactured BTR/ION/DSI 4 speed L85/L95 designed to use only TQ95 not a ZF box. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drivet..._International and page 47 of https://www.tiperformance.com.au/Ref...Speed_Auto.pdf etc.
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The MK I FG Workshop manual at https://fordforums.com.au/wsmpub/fg/307-01A.html sEction 307-01-A-1 also specialises TQ95 for the 4 speed auto.
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Why would they discontinue it there must be tons of btr's still getting around.
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I would imagine there would also be other brand equivalents that has been used. Castrol TQ95 being phased out must have started early in another country. https://fordforums.com.au/showthread...93#post6920693 |
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Hmm see https://msdspds.castrol.com/bpglis/FusionPDS.nsf/Files/F27F753345AD732F80257C4400831A6A/$File/Transmax%20TQ95_467290_2013_12.pdf and attached I wonder if the fact that it works well In Honda Automatic Trans means the Honda Product could also work well in the BTRs. This stuff I presume: https://www.hondapartsconnection.com...-dw-1-82009008
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It would be nice to no the frictional index figures for all the ATFs in question so a comparison could be made.
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That's the same as running break in oil in a new old motor. That does in no way mean anything else will cause issues. This is why there's standards.... The only reason manufacturer is saying only to use the oem oil is to cover their backside. I'm amazed they even responded to that at all. It's a stupid question and there's only one way they could answer it. If it was CRUCIAL to use tq95, then everyone with a btr would, and they wouldn't can it. At least not without a working alternative. The best atf for a 4sp auto is whatever is on special. In fact, if there's a problem or it's worn out, the best thing is actually the oil still in it. Good link on the service bulletin though. Last edited by Jack91; 24-09-2024 at 10:50 PM. |
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So even if it means those other listed could be used to refill a trans completely, none of them or ones meeting their spec except TQ95 have been available for decades. Most people I know that have used Transmax ATF Dexron VI or Mercon LV Multivehcile have ended up with significant jerky shift quality issues. I also had a email exchange chat with the man from this channel https://www.youtube.com/@YepThatsIt and he is of a similar opinion. Quote:
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If other ATF were suitable Ford would certainly not specify it for use for the BTR in the FG given they were at the same time selling other vehicles that use Dexron etc and it would have been cheaper and more convenient for Ford to use one of those for servicing the BTR as that they would have had that ATF readily on hand in bulk.
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Either way that's at the very least a somewhat insulting remark to one of us. I certainly don't think either question is a stupid question given the extent to which Ford and BTR/ION, and sometimes even Castrol, have in the past extensively and continuously emphasised the need to use TQ95 in these BTR transmissions. It fact both are really a very valid questions worthy of asking.
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Seeing as it was only for the aussie trans it would be nice if Penrite started doing a version of it. But I guess we will have to see if the other trans oils do the job or not. But from what I've read over the years of people trying alternatives it never performs as well.
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If the the 'correct and recommended' trans fluid is NLA, what are Ford dealers going to use when you get your 4 speed Falcon / Territory serviced at a dealer ?
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If the specs to a replacement oil match up it will be fine.
Companies say you must use a particular brand and type to cover themselves legally. If they be honest and say providing the spec is the same it will be fine they throw away their get out of gaol free card as far as refusing warranty work. The brand that is recommended will be whoever they have the better relationship with. |
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Well if TQ95 is NLA you are going to have to use an alternative fluid and you seem to being going round in circles with the forum members trying their best to help.
At some stage you will need to bite the bullet and choose a brand, otherwise you will be going nowhere. |
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![]() If a car fails around town, that’s an inconvenience in the shorter term. If it fails while roaming, that’s part of life’s adventures. I have a rare Peugeot with still-grenaded gearbox and that’s a whole lot more hassle than a quick exchange of twenty year old automatic transmissions which are common as muck. #perspective |
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In surprised you were able to get any at all.. surely with this news the hundreds of trans shops around Australia wouldve bought up all the remaining stock. Or maybe they too emailed the manufacturer of a 30 + year old transmission asking for oil recommendations and got a different answer.
Of all these that have been serviced over the years (maybe in the millions) by their owners or shops, do you REALLY think that they all used this particular oil and any that didn't now have broken autos? Cmon... Do you get your oil and coolant from Ford? Special NOS Ford air in your tyres? I hope to god you don't have any modifications on it, because thatd be against their recommendations too. By all means you do you, but its not actually an issue. Perfect example of how more research and internet makes people forego common sense. It's literally in the bulletin you linked |
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So what is all this fuss about then if you have the solution , a mountain from a mole hill.
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