USA Riots

Franco Cozzo · 02-06-2020, 06:14 AM

The USA loves a good riot it seems, while I understand there are long standing issues going back centuries in the USA's history I believe that trashing the country probably isn't the best way to win supporters for your cause.

My opinion is that this is a cultural problem with law enforcement in the USA rather than blanket statements of 'racism'.

What are your thoughts?

Might be some good opportunities for anyone in the construction industries after this is all over

**buggerlugs** · 02-06-2020, 06:55 AM

The cop has been moved to the "Big House"................
Could be a chance meeting with "Bubba" shortly.............

**Charliewool** · 02-06-2020, 07:45 AM

Covid19 mayhem, China and Uncle Sam in each other’s crosshairs (leading to God knows what?) and now total anarchy all over the place!!
Wouldn’t be a nice climate to be living in presently.
Could the empire be crumbling?

Citroënbender · 02-06-2020, 07:51 AM

It’s just their way of letting off steam. Aussies got to play cubbyhouses for a couple of months, our stress dissipation methods are less hazardous...

danzvtil · 02-06-2020, 08:13 AM

And having a grown toddler at the helm with a twitter account inflaming the situation won’t end well....

Peter B - CV8 · 02-06-2020, 08:52 AM

The US police (and ours too) seem to have adopted an arrest procedure whereby the detainee must be laying face down & immobilised with various pressure holds ie knee in the back, arm wrench etc etc. Officer safety should always be paramount but, if you have a compliant offender (or alleged offender), is this level of restraint really necessary ?

swanee · 02-06-2020, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by danzvtil

And having a grown toddler at the helm with a twitter account inflaming the situation won’t end well....

He has turned the United States into a reality TV show.

Fake news this, lamestream media that, everyone else is to blame except him, takes no responsibility or accountability

**Polyal** · 02-06-2020, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by swanee

He has turned the United States into a reality TV show.

Fake news this, lamestream media that, everyone else is to blame except him, takes no responsibility or accountability

And when the boss is acting like that and has his moral set then you stand no chance.

He could have really been a breathe of fresh air, but his made it a circus, but thats what he knows. Its sad but they voted him in....

Ben73 · 02-06-2020, 09:36 AM

It's pretty weird how the cop and the guy he killed both worked at the same club as security.

**DJR-351** · 02-06-2020, 09:55 AM

Starts at the 32min mark....

Trump Says He'll Deploy Military Unless States Halt Violent Protests in Rose Garden Speech

LG17 · 02-06-2020, 09:55 AM

Protesting an injustice is one thing; riots and lawlessness are an entirely different matter.
I don't know if it's possible for their National Guard to separate them.
The POTUS hasn't helped at all with his responses but to be honest, I would have been shocked if he did.
It was very brave of him walking outside surrounded by the Secret Service, Police, National Guard, helicopters and armoured vehicles...

**Rallye Sport** · 02-06-2020, 09:59 AM

I don't condone but can totally understand the slam them to the ground and hold them approach. This society is armed, armed to the teeth with military grade weapons, with no fear of flouting or using them. The cops need to get in and out as efficiently as possible, give the offender a chance and they could well reach for a weapon if not secured.

Then you've got the onlookers, copwatchers filming on phones, friends, family and others swarming the scene interjecting and interfering. For all the cop knows one of them are prepared to use a weapon. Just look at the protesters, aiming direct violence at the authorities they've no respect for the police why should they show it back?

They'd be on edge all shift every shift, sooner or later a mistake or over reaction is going to happen. It's a sad society that they live in, be glad to live where we do.

**Polyal** · 02-06-2020, 10:04 AM

Can you imagine enraged bogans in Australia if they had the legal ability to arm themselves, that puts it into context for me. Its just crazy and I dont care what your culture or history is as a society you are meant to evolve for the better...good luck to them.

CoupeKing · 02-06-2020, 10:34 AM

Heaps will get locked up for this. How does one vote in a Federal Election from a Federal Prison.

simon varley · 02-06-2020, 10:41 AM

I'm white. The vast majority of my friends are white. I live in a very white neigbourhood. I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like for blacks, asians and hispanics to be in fear everytime they leave the house. whether it is institutionalised, or casual it must be horrible. I can't condone the looting, but I can totally understand the anger

**Charliewool** · 02-06-2020, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Rallye Sport

I don't condone but can totally understand the slam them to the ground and hold them approach. This society is armed, armed to the teeth with military grade weapons, with no fear of flouting or using them. The cops need to get in and out as efficiently as possible, give the offender a chance and they could well reach for a weapon if not secured.

Then you've got the onlookers, copwatchers filming on phones, friends, family and others swarming the scene interjecting and interfering. For all the cop knows one of them are prepared to use a weapon. Just look at the protesters, aiming direct violence at the authorities they've no respect for the police why should they show it back?

They'd be on edge all shift every shift, sooner or later a mistake or over reaction is going to happen. It's a sad society that they live in, be glad to live where we do.

8 minutes kneeling on the blokes neck would’ve ensured he didn’t get his “military grade” AK47 outta his pocket, one would think?

**Charliewool** · 02-06-2020, 10:58 AM

It was actually closer to 9 mins...

The coroner’s report: five minutes and 53 seconds of kneeling before officers declared that Floyd was unresponsive, followed by two minutes and 53 seconds of continued pressure. That totals just less than nine minutes.

**Rallye Sport** · 02-06-2020, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Charliewool

8 minutes kneeling on the blokes neck would’ve ensured he didn’t get his “military grade” AK47 outta his pocket, one would think?

As I said I don't condone it, but what are they going to do, ask him politely if he'll be a good boy and wait patiently for the divvy van?

Falcon SXR8 · 02-06-2020, 11:18 AM

I couldn't even imagine being a cop over there and dealing with the amount of weapons people have. Then add drugs into the mix and its no wonder things get out of hand. Some of the youtube vids Iv'e seen where they have been pulled over even the white people give the cops serious respect and tell the cop every move they are gunna make before they do it because they don't wan't the cop to think their reaching for something.

roKWiz · 02-06-2020, 11:25 AM

Funny how we had a guy shot dead by cops on a Melbourne freeway last week. He had a small knife and these 4 cops couldn't take control of the situation by wrestling him to the ground or shooting him in the legs but no one is outraged here.

US wise, What happened doesn't excuse looting and burning down buildings.
I feel sorry for the Covid effected, small business owners who have now had shops destroyed.

kaniSS · 02-06-2020, 11:36 AM

I condone protesting and causing havoc to overthrow corrupt politicians, and to teach police a lesson in who is actually boss but I don't condone looting and stealing.

cheap · 02-06-2020, 11:52 AM

BLM has no leadership nor a solution instead they have been comprehensively exploited by ANTIFA.

The 21 of 23 worst rioting cities are Democrat managed cities.

Much of the rioting is in the poorest Black communities, which happen to also be Democrat electorates. Trump's economy has enabled poor Black people to find jobs and then these riots flare up - go figure...

All that's been achieved is to set back race relationships a couple of decades.

Trump's mistake was expecting the Governors to resolve the riots but they're shown to be a bunch of limp wristed soy-latte sipping nancy boys.

Trump is just not going to put up with this ****e any longer. Trump will use the US Military to put down the insurrection because that's what it is. Trump is invoking the insurrection act from 1807 to quell this mess.

Notice that the rioting hasn't spread to the suburbs, that's because the middle-class White&Black people are armed to the teeth.

CoupeKing · 02-06-2020, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kaniSS

I condone protesting and causing havoc to overthrow corrupt politicians

All but a few are in Democrat ran states/towns/cities.

Now the state where this guy was killed, it has a Democrat Governor, Democrat Senator, Democrat Mayor etc etc.

Now, what are the chances of this guy, and the 3 other officers who were at the scene (search their ethnicity) gets off from a technicality because the case is rushed, or gets a weak sentence? I hope not but.....

Boom, riots and looters 2.0

BUT IT'S TRUMPS FAULT.

T3rminator · 02-06-2020, 12:13 PM

Looks to be more than just police system failure to me. Looks and feels like they are angry with "authorities" in general. This has a different look and smell about it than previous protests. And looking at how some of the police have reacted on raw videos on twitter, I can't see it ending any time soon.

There is a lot of similarities with the HK protest. Started off with a very specific cause. Then others join in. Those that join in later are of a certain age group that feel the system has neglected them. The difference is, the US protest doesn't have a leader or a common voice, so how do you even begin to negotiate?

I've been watching CNN the last couple of days. I find it interesting how reporters are trying to get black civil rights activists or black people in position of authorities, and even celebs to condemn the destruction and violence, but very few of them are actually strongly condemning it. They are often justifying it, saying peaceful protests in the past has not brought about any change.

Last night Karl Stefanovic interviewed a black rights activist, and started off with "...its seems to have escalated in a short amount of time". The interviewee looked dumbfounded, and said it has been brewing for a LONG time. Channel 9 focused on the looting, but the activist kept directing him back to the cause without condemning the looting. Not good.

Meanwhile, Australia has just bought this. I wonder if this will get deployed in the US in the coming days. Quite scary actually.

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational...eapons/7419408

ford71V8 · 02-06-2020, 12:22 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/mkultrane...05587206807553

Watch the cop place the black mans hand on his baton, giving him reason to escalate the arrest / beating.

sixman · 02-06-2020, 12:28 PM

I dont get why so many Australians are so invested in partisan American politics.

Are you guys not glad we are nothing like Americans? We can get together and solve problems without a standoff. Different sides of politics can work together - look how successful the National cabinet has been in response to Covid compared to the Americans?

There used to be a saying, "if you dont like it here go back to where you came from..."

Perhaps the modern version should be "If you love America so much, go live in 'Merica..."
Just dont bring that American crap here.

sixman · 02-06-2020, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CoupeKing

All but a few are in Democrat ran states/towns/cities.

Now the state where this guy was killed, it has a Democrat Governor, Democrat Senator, Democrat Mayor etc etc.

Now, what are the chances of this guy, and the 3 other officers who were at the scene (search their ethnicity) gets off from a technicality because the case is rushed, or gets a weak sentence? I hope not but.....

Boom, riots and looters 2.0

BUT IT'S TRUMPS FAULT.

Ill tell you what is Trump's fault. Look up the economic impact of Trump's policies/ crazy tweets on the Australia's economy. He has cost us billions. Cant work out why any patriotic Australian would think the Trump admin is a good cause worth defending.....

CoupeKing · 02-06-2020, 12:33 PM

Live:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLrpVo6OjEo

**cs123** · 02-06-2020, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sixman

I dont get why so many Australians are so invested in partisan American politics.

It's a curious thing. You can see by their posting that they must spend a lot of time online soaking up the hyper partisan stuff.

And it does strike me as strange how people can be pro MAGA and living here.

**Giant Cranium** · 02-06-2020, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by simon varley

I'm white. The vast majority of my friends are white. I live in a very white neigbourhood. I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like for blacks, asians and hispanics to be in fear everytime they leave the house. whether it is institutionalised, or casual it must be horrible. I can't condone the looting, but I can totally understand the anger

I worked in nyc at Central Park and was the only white bloke. Some of their stories were incredible about being chased and beaten for being black.

The thing that hurt them daily was people coming to me for directions when we were all together as I was the only white one there. It happened from my first day. Then watching people reactions when I directed them to the black person to answer the question. You would see the people get nervous then repeat the question slowly

You could see the pain and anger in my coworkers faces.