Blue Typhoon In Accident Tonight King Georges Rd.

gtfpv · 30-12-2008, 12:50 AM

seen the aftermath of a huge accident on king georges road Homebush tonight. coming home from work . 3 cars involved and the typhoon looked the worst by far . the other cars were smaller cars , one hyundi excell the other a little bigger . but the typhoon was light blue and the whole front of the car was pushed into the fire wall. the road was obviously blocked police and tow trucks everywhere . possibly a fatality.
i felt bad , because the road was slightly wet with drizzle and it was misty rain. as soon as i saw the phoon , i thought , not surprised . sorry but it was my 1st thought .
i hope it wasnt anyone from the forums here . because it looked pretty ugly.

GT0132 · 30-12-2008, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

seen the aftermath of a huge accident on king georges road Homebush tonight. coming home from work . 3 cars involved and the typhoon looked the worst by far . the other cars were smaller cars , one hyundi excell the other a little bigger . but the typhoon was light blue and the whole front of the car was pushed into the fire wall. the road was obviously blocked police and tow trucks everywhere . possibly a fatality.
i felt bad , because the road was slightly wet with drizzle and it was misty rain. as soon as i saw the phoon , i thought , not surprised . sorry but it was my 1st thought .
i hope it wasnt anyone from the forums here . because it looked pretty ugly.

For the F6 to come off worse than the Hyundai is a bit of a worry

JerseyVics · 30-12-2008, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ozmale42

For the F6 to come off worse than the Hyundai is a bit of a worry

it probably wasn't the first car it hit...

hopefully everyone walked away. Accidents are no fun!

axeray · 30-12-2008, 07:19 AM

I hope no one was seriously injured.

MAGPIE · 30-12-2008, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ozmale42

For the F6 to come off worse than the Hyundai is a bit of a worry

It happens, I've seen a BA XR6 sheared completely in half by a little hiace van.

Pedro · 30-12-2008, 11:12 AM

It was on the news this morning. No fatalities, the phoon crossed the median strip and collided with two cars travelling in the opposite direction, two people taken to hospital with moderate injuries.

tex · 30-12-2008, 11:18 AM

They've got some serious low rev - torque inducing sideways 'potential' in careless hands (even for just a split second) those boosted sixes.

Crossing the divider to hit on coming cars suggests she stepped out in a big way, poor bugger driving, at least everyone involved is moderately ok...

geehaa · 30-12-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ozmale42

For the F6 to come off worse than the Hyundai is a bit of a worry

Doesn't that mean the car has done its job in absorbing the impact?
Stupid question?

Pinch · 30-12-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by geehaa

Doesn't that mean the car has done its job in absorbing the impact?
Stupid question?

Yep, better the car crumple than the people inside. Cars can be replaced...

This seems to be an emerging trend this crossing the median and hitting oncoming cars on Sydney arterial roads. Lets hope they stop happening quick smart, however they are being caused.

Quicksand · 30-12-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

as soon as i saw the phoon , i thought , not surprised . sorry but it was my 1st thought .

Why do you say that?

Gobes32 · 30-12-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Inducted_Breeze

Why do you say that?

A 307kw turbo 6 is a lot more dangerous than a 307kw V8 due to the way it produces it power, especially the F6. A V8 will have a very linear power curve with power increasing as the revs rise, the F6, especially in FG guise, seems to have little to no power until 2500rpm, THEN ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. If you add a light shower (worse than heavy rain, imho ) then the car becomes a weapon to a inexperienced driver.

Quicksand · 30-12-2008, 04:31 PM

Thanks Gobes32, thats not what i got from the statement (it didn't seem like he was making a reference to the power delivery of the F6 etc) so maybe i am just seeing things,

Cheers

Gobes32 · 30-12-2008, 06:24 PM

Are you assuming he meant "typical ford driver in high powered car he cannot handle"? Yeah, I thought he did too. I gave him the benefit of doubt.

gtfpv · 30-12-2008, 11:58 PM

hmmmmm i didnt think the hyundi excel had crossed the road and ran into the phoon . if that happened i'd of been surprised .

make of that what you think . if it had been a lambo, i wouldnt have been surprised either .

Pedro · 31-12-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

A 307kw turbo 6 is a lot more dangerous than a 307kw V8 due to the way it produces it power, especially the F6. A V8 will have a very linear power curve with power increasing as the revs rise, the F6, especially in FG guise, seems to have little to no power until 2500rpm, THEN ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. If you add a light shower (worse than heavy rain, imho ) then the car becomes a weapon to a inexperienced driver.

Having travelled 2500kms in my FG F6 I'd have to differ with your interpretation of the power delivery Gobes32.

My previous drive was a BF F6 with 300rwkw and I can assure you that all hell breaks loose in an FG (standard) right from the start. But a big difference is that the traction control actually works (as opposed to the BF) and controls the beast. I've tested it a couple of times and been caught applying correction (in anticipation) only to find it wasn't necessary.

The BF was a weapon in the hands of an inexperienced driver, but that description does not apply to the FG in my experience.

For the FG to snap sideways, one would have to have the TC turned off.
Perhaps that was the case in this accident.

Transfiguring R · 31-12-2008, 12:11 AM

I bet that is exactly what he meant Gobes. I read it that way because I own an '05 Typhoon and on more than one occasion the back end has come out on roads that were nearly dry after a light shower. As soon as you climb up to 2000-2500 rpm anything can happen, and you can forget about traction control... It has never responded to this sort of thing for me ie., under very little throttle/light acceleration.

Mines also still stock...

gtfpv · 31-12-2008, 12:18 AM

the typhoon was a BF . I DONT THINK IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED highly unlikely under the circumstances that this happened . if anyone sees a smashed up f6 on a high traffic 80km hour highway that is riddled with traffic . what do you think there 1st thought would be ,. flat tyre.

Luke3000 · 31-12-2008, 12:19 AM

I thaught he meant just an inexperienced driver with a serious engine, calm down i sure gtfpv isnt barracking for the dark side...and i am sure he would have said the name thing be the car a aupra or something like that. Benefit of the doubt, thats what we are about.

This also raises a point why do some, if not most syndey drivers seem to be so erratic on the roads

gtfpv · 31-12-2008, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Luke3000

I thaught he meant just an inexperienced driver with a serious engine, calm down i sure gtfpv isnt barracking for the dark side...and i am sure he would have said the name thing be the car a aupra or something like that. Benefit of the doubt, thats what we are about.

This also raises a point why do some, if not most syndey drivers seem to be so erratic on the roads

OK BEING A SYDNEY DRIVER WHO DOES 800KMS A WEEK IN TRAFFIC , I CAN TELL YOU , they are shockers . for a start people changing lanes in traffic , ( why i'll never know) you need to drive with your accelerator more so than your brakes ( typhoon in wet would not like this treatment) and then you need to brake hard and hope the car behind you has optioned up to premium brakes . where i come unstuck each and every day is cruise control . i like to sit at the speed limit and get in the overtaking lane and cruise past all the people variying thier speed by 30km/an hour whilst on the phone txting . however somepeople behind me hate this and dont understand why i leave up to 50m gap in front of me . so often a driver tailgating me will light up the rears and overtake me on the left at say 30kms over speed limit , only to realise that the car in front of me is travelling at the speed limit or lower . hence slam on the brakes .
this sort of driving creates sheer havic for a poor f6. an f6 would need a patient driver on sydney roads .

lowriding · 31-12-2008, 09:58 AM

i have found xr6ts ,especially modified ,can be diabolical in drizzle ,added to the fact more turbos are generally driven by a younger crowd,there is good reason most insurance cos ask more money for turbo charged cars . If i had seen that i would have drawn my own conclusion and that would have been the same .

Rodp · 31-12-2008, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

OK BEING A SYDNEY DRIVER WHO DOES 800KMS A WEEK IN TRAFFIC , I CAN TELL YOU , they are shockers . for a start people changing lanes in traffic , ( why i'll never know) you need to drive with your accelerator more so than your brakes ( typhoon in wet would not like this treatment) and then you need to brake hard and hope the car behind you has optioned up to premium brakes . where i come unstuck each and every day is cruise control . i like to sit at the speed limit and get in the overtaking lane and cruise past all the people variying thier speed by 30km/an hour whilst on the phone txting . however somepeople behind me hate this and dont understand why i leave up to 50m gap in front of me . so often a driver tailgating me will light up the rears and overtake me on the left at say 30kms over speed limit , only to realise that the car in front of me is travelling at the speed limit or lower . hence slam on the brakes .
this sort of driving creates sheer havic for a poor f6. an f6 would need a patient driver on sydney roads .

?!?!

Nope. Read it a few times and I'm still confused.

I'll also average about 800km/week (little less this time of year, little more come Feb) as well on Sydney's roads. The way you describe your experience driving your car is almost completely opposite to my experience driving mine.

I couldn't imagine how a reasonable driver would have that much trouble with an F6 in Sydney traffic as opposed to any other car, let alone having to deal with sheer 'havic'. I've seen plenty of F6's on the road and those owners didn't appear to have any problems keeping their car under control.

gtfpv · 31-12-2008, 06:34 PM

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?!?!

Nope. Read it a few times and I'm still confused.

I'll also average about 800km/week (little less this time of year, little more come Feb) as well on Sydney's roads. The way you describe your experience driving your car is almost completely opposite to my experience driving mine.

I couldn't imagine how a reasonable driver would have that much trouble with an F6 in Sydney traffic as opposed to any other car, let alone having to deal with sheer 'havic'. I've seen plenty of F6's on the road and those owners didn't appear to have any problems keeping their car under control.

well i just dont think that often a fast car , such as an F6, GT/ CLUBSPORT, WRX , XR8, IS GOING TO HAVE AN ACCIDENT due to something malfunctioning , or driver error . i kind've think that there wouldnt be a 70 year old grand mother behind the wheel either .
dont get me wrong , any car can be put out of control . however , some easier than others . unfortunately a rear wheel drive huge potential turbo. is the number one likely suspect vehicle that i would expect to see all smashed up on a drizzly raod . anyway some vehicles you can take a chance with , some you cannot . in the case of a stupid moment behind the wheel the f6 / xr6t would have to be a front runner for unf orgiving it's driver . DONT YOU THINK . ???
you'll most probably say no . because you are a carefull experianced driver .
not everyone has that luxury.

Cappy_Hamper · 31-12-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

well i just dont think that often a fast car , such as an F6, GT/ CLUBSPORT, WRX , XR8, IS GOING TO HAVE AN ACCIDENT due to something malfunctioning , or driver error . i kind've think that there wouldnt be a 70 year old grand mother behind the wheel either .
dont get me wrong , any car can be put out of control . however , some easier than others . unfortunately a rear wheel drive huge potential turbo. is the number one likely suspect vehicle that i would expect to see all smashed up on a drizzly raod . anyway some vehicles you can take a chance with , some you cannot . in the case of a stupid moment behind the wheel the f6 / xr6t would have to be a front runner for unf orgiving it's driver . DONT YOU THINK . ???
you'll most probably say no . because you are a carefull experianced driver .
not everyone has that luxury.

Mate, if you can't drive it park it....

GT0132 · 31-12-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

well i just dont think that often a fast car , such as an F6, GT/ CLUBSPORT, WRX , XR8, IS GOING TO HAVE AN ACCIDENT due to something malfunctioning , or driver error . i kind've think that there wouldnt be a 70 year old grand mother behind the wheel either .
dont get me wrong , any car can be put out of control . however , some easier than others . unfortunately a rear wheel drive huge potential turbo. is the number one likely suspect vehicle that i would expect to see all smashed up on a drizzly raod . anyway some vehicles you can take a chance with , some you cannot . in the case of a stupid moment behind the wheel the f6 / xr6t would have to be a front runner for unf orgiving it's driver . DONT YOU THINK . ???
you'll most probably say no . because you are a carefull experianced driver .
not everyone has that luxury.

Having owned both a non turbo barra BA and a BA GT I can honestly say the 6 would stick to the road like glue in drizzlewith good rubber whereas the GT has to be driven with care. Losing traction in 3rd gear not uncommon in the wet in the GT. The GT has traction control whereas the XT didn't but i don't think TC is fool proof.

FRDGAL · 31-12-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cappy_Hamper

Mate, if you can't drive it park it....

True that!

Trendseeker · 01-01-2009, 12:46 AM

Just a minor bit of detail - King Georges Rd finishes at Wiley Park, then goes into Roberts Rd which finishes at Greenacre, then goes into Centennial Drv which finishes at Homebush, then goes into Homebush Bay Drv.

BPXR6T · 01-01-2009, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

well i just dont think that often a fast car , such as an F6, GT/ CLUBSPORT, WRX , XR8, IS GOING TO HAVE AN ACCIDENT due to something malfunctioning , or driver error . i kind've think that there wouldnt be a 70 year old grand mother behind the wheel either .
dont get me wrong , any car can be put out of control . however , some easier than others . unfortunately a rear wheel drive huge potential turbo. is the number one likely suspect vehicle that i would expect to see all smashed up on a drizzly raod . anyway some vehicles you can take a chance with , some you cannot . in the case of a stupid moment behind the wheel the f6 / xr6t would have to be a front runner for unf orgiving it's driver . DONT YOU THINK . ???
you'll most probably say no . because you are a carefull experianced driver .
not everyone has that luxury.

After driving a modified XR6T for 12 months then stepping into a boxster S I can see why the insurance premium is lower for the boxster even though it's ten times the price. Turbo six is recipe for trouble, I'm still waiting for my latest licence suspension to come thorugh from my XR6T days. :(

P.S.
The current owner of my old XR6T has also had the car impounded and lost his license too. Speaks volumes for the state of insurance premiums on a turbo six.

SpoolMan · 01-01-2009, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BPXR6T

After driving a modified XR6T for 12 months then stepping into a boxster S I can see why the insurance premium is lower for the boxster even though it's ten times the price. Turbo six is recipe for trouble, I'm still waiting for my latest licence suspension to come thorugh from my XR6T days. :(

P.S.
The current owner of my old XR6T has also had the car impounded and lost his license too. Speaks volumes for the state of insurance premiums on a turbo six.

You cant blame the car for your driving habits, as for insurance my wife has 2007 Fiesta she pays $200 less a year than for my modified BF F6.

Rodp · 01-01-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

well i just dont think that often a fast car , such as an F6, GT/ CLUBSPORT, WRX , XR8, IS GOING TO HAVE AN ACCIDENT due to something malfunctioning , or driver error . i kind've think that there wouldnt be a 70 year old grand mother behind the wheel either .
dont get me wrong , any car can be put out of control . however , some easier than others . unfortunately a rear wheel drive huge potential turbo. is the number one likely suspect vehicle that i would expect to see all smashed up on a drizzly raod . anyway some vehicles you can take a chance with , some you cannot . in the case of a stupid moment behind the wheel the f6 / xr6t would have to be a front runner for unf orgiving it's driver . DONT YOU THINK . ???
you'll most probably say no . because you are a carefull experianced driver .
not everyone has that luxury.

Do people lose control giving a high powered car a squirt? Absolutely. However, your made a post that suggested there's something about Sydney traffic that puts poor, unsuspecting F6 drivers in danger.

Not everyone has the luxury of being a careful driver?! Ok, I'll perhaps give you a driver of a getaway car after a bank job probably doesn't have that luxury - that's a choice, but who else do I have to share the road with come under that criteria?

Pinch · 01-01-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BPXR6T

After driving a modified XR6T for 12 months then stepping into a boxster S I can see why the insurance premium is lower for the boxster even though it's ten times the price. Turbo six is recipe for trouble, I'm still waiting for my latest licence suspension to come thorugh from my XR6T days. :(

Its not just the turbo's, the insurance premium for my Mini (soft top mind you) is HALF what it was for my N/A BA XR6. The Mini also cost more and being BMW built has the associated parts costs.

AAMI even said, no, sorry won't insure it at all. Even with a 70% NCB with them for life, and another car also on max NCB.

The XR's don't seem to be well received by the insurance co's.