Cressy (Vic) Accident

[dom_105]

I'm pretty sure those in Melbourne have already heard of this accident, but for those interstate - http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...09-661,00.html

To sum it up:

* Stolen Ford Festiva
* Crashed into a tree after a police chase reaching speeds of 160 kph
* Unlicensed, underage driver.
* Two passengers crammed into boot on account of Plasma Television and other electronics (yep, stolen) taking up back seat.

You just know that despite all this, those involved will get off with a slap on the wrist (come from a broken home, he/she's a good kid really, mixed up with some bad people, sincerley regretful... you know the same old story) but if they had got away with it, the law wouldn't have given a about those who's property was stolen.

As sad as it is, they get no sympathy from me.

[Kryton]

just before the Police bashing begins:
the chase was called off 5-10 minutes BEFORE the crash.

[XR Martin]

It was a Focus, not a Festiva (they showed it on the channel 9 news)

[kyro_02]

eitherway, it doesn't matter if it was a broom they crashed into a tree, focus, festiva.. meh?

they'll get left off anyway

[AU1XLS]

Originally Posted by davway

just before the Police bashing begins:
the chase was called off 5-10 minutes BEFORE the crash.

Forget the police bashing lets start on the parents for not keeping any eye on where there children are at 4:40am

[Fev]

i thought the cops were supposed to pull back when speeds reach over 160?


dumbass kids

[AU1XLS]

Originally Posted by Fev

i thought the cops were supposed to pull back when speeds reach over 160?


dumbass kids

They did according to the news report

[Falcon_Power_06]

prime example of it dosnt matter what car you drive you can still speed and still crash.

I want an XR8

oviously i am a P plate driver.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by Fev

i thought the cops were supposed to pull back when speeds reach over 160?

Do you even read beyond the first post? It was the 2nd post for Christs sake.

Originally Posted by davway

just before the Police bashing begins:
the chase was called off 5-10 minutes BEFORE the crash.

[Russ]

As dom_105 said it's the same old story, the problem is will these kids learn anything from this experience? We can only hope, because not only is this sort of occurrence costing the lives of far too many young people, it is also costing the rest of us more in insurance premiums and taxes. :

[Agent86]

Originally Posted by davway

just before the Police bashing begins:
the chase was called off 5-10 minutes BEFORE the crash.

I find these statements from the police/media irritating.

They ALWAYS say just prior to the incident the chase was called off..

now c'mon. so the people always run harder when there are cops NOT chasing them?

im sure that they do call em off sometimes before crashes, but i will tell you from what i have seen in my area, is they DO NOT back off.

We had a high speed chase thru here a while ago, but after the reduction of maximum chase speeds, and the cops were hammering to keep up with the car. They had the air wing following so there was no need. they knew where he was and where he was going as they had roads blocked to direct him to their final trap point.

i think its a little convenient to say they always had called the chase off just prior.

[Tuddy200]

police Bashing Thread, Children Bashing Thread, Parent Bashing Thread, Educations System, Legal System etc.

Can we put links to other threads already been argued out countless times and close this, because in only 10 posts we already have stupid remarks insulting each other.

RIP to the Focus.

[SVTVNM]

After seeing the footage I am glad my girlfriend purchased a current Focus, it held up alright considering the impact. And I beleive the more serious injuries were the dropkicks in the boot.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by AceofSpades

I find these statements from the police/media irritating.

They ALWAYS say just prior to the incident the chase was called off..

now c'mon. so the people always run harder when there are cops NOT chasing them?

im sure that they do call em off sometimes before crashes, but i will tell you from what i have seen in my area, is they DO NOT back off.

We had a high speed chase thru here a while ago, but after the reduction of maximum chase speeds, and the cops were hammering to keep up with the car. They had the air wing following so there was no need. they knew where he was and where he was going as they had roads blocked to direct him to their final trap point.

i think its a little convenient to say they always had called the chase off just prior.

I get what youre saying, but what do you expect? The cops to call the chase the day before? Its almost always going to be just prior, thats the nature of high speed chases and the all too often inevitable end.

While getting them to the 'trap' is good, theres a lot that can go wrong in between. Society expects the police to intercept before that happens. The speed cutoff point is a trade off between the dangers of high speed chases to the public, the danger continuing by failing to apprehend them and the reluctance of the system to provide a get out jail free card to criminals (ie: go really fast, and the cops have to let you go).

[Scott]

Originally Posted by AceofSpades

They ALWAYS say just prior to the incident the chase was called off..

A pursuit is initiated the moment a driver realises the police want him to pull over and he decides not to. A pursuit doesn't need to be fast, it can occur at 25km/h on a private road or at high speed on the freeway. Once a pursuit has commenced, the police car (usually the passenger) will radio it in and advise on all of the conditions affecting the pursuit such as traffic, speed, weather, road, driver capability etc. Charles in Charge on the other end of the radio will make a decision based on all of the above, what the suspect has done, the police drivers capability & maturity, risk to the public, risk to the police and how else the pursuit could be managed.

There are two people in the car who can decide when to stop a pursuit and a host of people on the other end of the radio. Only one person can engage the pursuit which is the police driver - any of the other people can stop it whenever they want.

Should the driver choose to ignore a call to stop a pursuit, blame for anything from there on lies squarely on his shoulders and you can bet your backside that punishment will be severe.

Whilst we know that pursuits cause accidents, I think the police apply a reasonable approach to them and fortunately, almost all pursuits conclude without too much trouble - be it by calling it off, surrender, letting them get away to catch up later, letting, mechanical failure or a minor/ish fender bender on a corner that renders the car incapacitated.

Typically, the car being pursued will continue on at speed as they are still running. I guess their mentality is that they don't know what has been decided so they have ot keep on as fast as they can. I wouldn't mind betting that the reason people crash after a pursuit is because they get pre-occupied looking for the police and trying to figure out what move to make next. Desperation is a good thing for clouding judgement.

[XA-Coupe]

A lot of what people tend to forget is that the car comes to the attention of police, usually for fast driving or running reds etc etc ( not that there are many red lights out Cressy way ), then get the adrenaline dump of being chased by the police then even when the pursuit gets called off, they keep on going warp 9.
Also, calling of the pursuit doesn't mean stop following, the pursuit can be off but the police car still shadowing it for when they hopefully dump and run.
As sad as it is, the 'kids' authored their own destiny and unfortunately they paid the ultimate price for being stupid little scrotes.

[ED Classic]

Originally Posted by AU1XLS

Forget the police bashing lets start on the parents for not keeping any eye on where there children are at 4:40am

Could have snuck out the window behind their back while the parents thought they were asleep or anything, this is one case where you shouldnt jump on the parents if you dont know 100% what happened. Having said that I agree alot of the time the parents are walkovers...We just need facts though...

[XA-Coupe]

Even at the coronial hearing I wouldn't expect to hear a lot of facts... it's just a blame game. Despite relaxed rules of evidence, it is the same as the rest of the court system, anything but just.
The facts are they ran from the police, they crashed and two are dead.. the rest is up in the air.

[ED Classic]

Silly kids just thought it was a good idea at the time and then payed the price after being chased to death...The adults here need to have a more clear head on their shoulders that silly kids never will, and someone intoxicated or under the influence etc etc and weigh up the risk vs what the crime was/is...The Police story is the same every time without fail and never ever ever any different...Dont they have spikes by now? Where were they..Thats what needs investigating for a start as they were bought to Vic police for obvious reasons.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by XA-Coupe

Even at the coronial hearing I wouldn't expect to hear a lot of facts... it's just a blame game. Despite relaxed rules of evidence, it is the same as the rest of the court system, anything but just.
The facts are they ran from the police, they crashed and two are dead.. the rest is up in the air.

Hopefully NOT 2 dead?... Last I heard 5 injured with 2 serious?

[XA-Coupe]

Originally Posted by charliewool

Hopefully NOT 2 dead?... Last I heard 5 injured with 2 serious?

uh, my bad.. I was tying in a hurry

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by ED Classic

Silly kids just thought it was a good idea at the time and then payed the price after being chased to death...The adults here need to have a more clear head on their shoulders that silly kids never will, and someone intoxicated or under the influence etc etc and weigh up the risk vs what the crime was/is...The Police story is the same every time without fail and never ever ever any different...Dont they have spikes by now? Where were they..Thats what needs investigating for a start as they were bought to Vic police for obvious reasons.

The crime and the result are not the issue. The fact is they ran, they get chased. Why? Because their driving style is endangering the public at large for every second they drive like that, the general public have a right to be considered in the equation, not simply the tools and the crime they committed.

You probably should revise your notion that police are gung ho crazies who dont consider the lives of those they pursue, or the lives of the general public. The few that are gung ho are a minority, not the majority. The police story will often be the same, because as posted very eloquently above by GTP006, there are situational consistencies in the type of events.

[ED Classic]

Originally Posted by fmc351

The crime and the result are not the issue. The fact is they ran, they get chased. Why? Because their driving style is endangering the public at large for every second they drive like that, the general public have a right to be considered in the equation, not simply the tools and the crime they committed.

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Yeah but why would they stop? So they can be abused and capsicum sprayed and hung rather than sent to proper rehab? Tougher laws will only ensure more try to do the same and as you said endanger other lives. Where were they road spikes were they on the way FMC 351? The more Police chase them the more they drive like that and will to the end, and only once they think they have got away or had their tyres spiked or killed themselves or someone else and themselves will they stop. The "they ran so lets all get them attitude" you are using is what endadgers lives and makes people in that state of mind not stop...Fact

[ED Classic]

Originally Posted by fmc351

You probably should revise your notion that police are gung ho crazies who dont consider the lives of those they pursue, or the lives of the general public. The few that are gung ho are a minority, not the majority. s.

Yeah true and the minority that are are not dobbed in by their collegues so what does that make the rest them?

[RG]

Originally Posted by ED Classic

Yeah but why would they stop? So they can be abused and capsicum sprayed and hung rather than sent to proper rehab? Tougher laws will only ensure more try to do the same and as you said endanger other lives. Where were they road spikes were they on the way FMC 351? The more Police chase them the more they drive like that and will to the end, and only once they think they have got away or had their tyres spiked or killed themselves or someone else and themselves will they stop. The "they ran so lets all get them attitude" you are using is what endadgers lives and makes people in that state of mind not stop...Fact

Do you read what you type? What utter crap, grow up.

[Bud Bud]

Originally Posted by GTP006

Desperation is a good thing for clouding judgement.

It sure is! Can be fatal. In aviation terms it is called push-on-itus and is a big killer.

Why are the cops action even called into this? Why so much cop bashing when they put their lives at risk chasing a-holes like these in the first place. These cops have their own family and children to go home to as well. They have no more interest in endangering their own lives as you or me, especially at work.

People, look at this again rationally. Car full of no good kids breaking and stealing from someone like you or me = no respect towards you, me, the police, hell society in general. No licence driver, speeds of up to 170 kph (ina front wheel drive??????, kids in boot with no seatbelt or airbag security to make way for their more prized (but stolen anyway) possession, a plasma screen, kids of around 14 years old unaccompanied at 4.30 am, evading arrest. Need I go on?

When will people learn that a little common sense can go along way to save a tragedy.

[XA-Coupe]

Originally Posted by ED Classic

Yeah but why would they stop? So they can be abused and capsicum sprayed and hung rather than sent to proper rehab? Tougher laws will only ensure more try to do the same and as you said endanger other lives. Where were they road spikes were they on the way FMC 351? The more Police chase them the more they drive like that and will to the end, and only once they think they have got away or had their tyres spiked or killed themselves or someone else and themselves will they stop. The "they ran so lets all get them attitude" you are using is what endadgers lives and makes people in that state of mind not stop...Fact

That's probably the classic post of all time !!!

[Sorted]

Well if they did pull over before the accident they would of got a slap on the wrist and told that they were bad kids and very naughty - basically got off scott free.

This way they have been punished by their actions.............

Still they will get off, wont have to pay for the car, wont be charged for burglary - hopefully the hospital visit will make them think twice before wanting to do something like this again.

Yes there may be innocent party's in the car but all of them their first mistake was getting into a stolen car.

Dont know all the facts its just my thoughts...............

[TZENU]

Originally Posted by DRHEMI

hopefully the hospital visit will make them think twice before wanting to do something like this again.

And that is were the problem is. 2 kids in critical condition is one hell of a tough lesson to learn!!!

[alecrain]

I reckon I like the American model of pursuit better, if you run away form police I will not be sorry for you, and would like the cops to stop you (anyway possible) before you kill an innocent member of the public.

That's what the police is for!