New "hoon" catagory.

4Vman · 18-01-2009, 08:22 PM

The media have come up with a new hoon category: the "midlife crisis" hoon....
Apparently 150 were caught in Vic last year......
3000 "hoons" were caught in total last year leaving the other 2850 to the U25 yo "young hoon" category..!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...18/2468545.htm

GT0132 · 18-01-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

The media have come up with a new hoon category: the "midlife crisis" hoon....
Apparently 200 were caught in Vic last year......

Ahhhhhh so it's not just me then....I thought I was going crazy

Nikked · 18-01-2009, 08:29 PM

Is there a pensioner hoon category as well?

b0son · 18-01-2009, 08:29 PM

"These are mature, sensible people, one would think, but they are putting themselves at risk and other road users at risk."

If these are such mature and sensible people, why do they make up a fair slab of DUI convictions?

4Vman · 18-01-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

"These are mature, sensible people, one would think, but they are putting themselves at risk and other road users at risk."

If these are such mature and sensible people, why do they make up a fair slab of DUI convictions?

Is that a play on words or do you have some kind evidence to back that up??!!

4Vman · 18-01-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Is there a pensioner hoon category as well?

They're the ones doing 40 under, not 40 over...

FPV+fteT3 · 18-01-2009, 08:36 PM

Just got home from hooning turn on the computer great to see I have a category now! oh well must go out and get the excess rubber out from under the guards and off rear quarters......lol

**Burnout** · 18-01-2009, 08:50 PM

OMG, I've been tagged with a new moniker!

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Falc'man · 18-01-2009, 09:01 PM

1433 police officers fined for speeding
What hope do we have when those responsible for up-holding/enforcing the law can't get it right?

bigev · 18-01-2009, 09:05 PM

It'd be helpful if the Vic government wasn't trying to change the common perception of what a hoon is.

If you asked a few years back if someone doing 40k's over the limit was a hoon, the answer no doubt would have been no.

burnz · 18-01-2009, 09:06 PM

the older i get the more i hate a police state, every road with a price tag (tolls)

or maybe i'm just a grumpy old man.

shane3 · 18-01-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

"These are mature, sensible people, one would think, but they are putting themselves at risk and other road users at risk."

If these are such mature and sensible people, why do they make up a fair slab of DUI convictions?

Oh please!!!!!!! these are only the people that the cops actually catch, tonight on the Monash I had a little old grey haired lady in the middle lane doing 60 when every one else was doing 100, now tell me that that isn't dangerous, that can be considered as dangerous driving and falls into the "Hoon" act.

And just because your older doesn't mean you have to grow up!!

Stats taken from a Vic police web site on Hoon laws and offenses

Hoon statistics

Types of offenses committed

Offense Number (per cent)

Careless driving, 3 per cent, (changing lanes with out indicating or failing to do an over the shoulder check falls into this)

Conduct, engage in race, speed trial, 0.9 per cent (only 270 people court "racing")

Court order, past offense, 0.5 per cent

Drive while disqualified, 5 per cent, (just because you don't have a license doesn't mean you can't drive, just means don't get court!!!)

Excessive speed, 39.3 per cent, (Now this can be from 5 KM/H and above the posted speed limit)

Failure to have proper control, O.7 per cent (chirping the wheels also counts, sliding in the wet aswell)

Improper use of motor vehicle, 48.4 per cent (can be any thing the cops like it to be)

Speed or drive in a dangerous manner, 1.3 per cent

Smoke or undue noise, 0.3 per cent (a loud exhaust falls into this section)

**Silver Ghia** · 18-01-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bigev

It'd be helpful if the Vic government wasn't trying to change the common perception of what a hoon is.

If you asked a few years back if someone doing 40k's over the limit was a hoon, the answer no doubt would have been no.

Yes. To me hooning, blatant rule breaking, and stupidity are totally different things. One is harmless and the others are obvious.

The media, the state government and their puppets (police chiefs) these days put it all in the one basket.

And those that are a real problem on the roads, who are outside this 'hoon' definition, continue to be ignored.

b0son · 18-01-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Is that a play on words or do you have some kind evidence to back that up??!!

around 20% of drink drivers are in the 40-60 age group.

gtfpv · 18-01-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

around 20% of drink drivers are in the 40-60 age group.

perhaps . it's a good thing they are too old to know how to txt as well. like the other 80%

gtfpv · 18-01-2009, 10:34 PM

i once new a pregnent , schizzo diabetic smoker who was always angry and telling her husband chores to do by txt on the way home from work , she had 2 jobs and often went for a glass of champaigne after work, because she was pregnant her blood pressure was high , so she took medication for that too, should 've seen her in peek hour busting for a squirt, the m5 tunnel always played up with her asthma , she' had puffers in the car every where . good thing she gave up the partying to have the baby though! never new her to drive fast.

Saiken · 18-01-2009, 10:34 PM

the "midlife crisis" hoon....... LOL!!!!

A friend of mine has the Vic Pol contract for when you don't have your own tower... in the last two weeks the best two cars they have hoon-towed where a Ferrari F430 and an AC Cobra, both being driven by people in this category :P

JG66ME · 18-01-2009, 10:40 PM

Well it would be to PC to comment on this thread, Adolf.

Is "Hoon" a proper word? What does it mean? Its not English thats for sure.

Saiken · 18-01-2009, 10:42 PM

Hoon isn't a proper word :P ...at least its not in the Oxford Dictionary .... (mine or the Oxford University one) ....however you can probably find it on the Urban-Dictionary website :P

Rev28K · 18-01-2009, 10:45 PM

Getting grey hair - tick
Every car owned has seen a racetrack - tick
Current address has more parking spaces then bedrooms - tick
Believe that current policing on roads is misguided - tick
Way too much time & money spent on cars - tick
Still daydreams about modifications and the stinking hot PRB clubman I'd get if I won tattslotto - tick

Woohoo - I'm a middle aged hoon!

b0son · 19-01-2009, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JG66ME

Is "Hoon" a proper word? What does it mean? Its not English thats for sure.

hooligan

Bobman · 19-01-2009, 12:14 AM

YTD
2008 toll 14
2009 toll 21 (up 50%)

Victoria's road toll to date and last year's from 01/01 to 19/01.

Yeah, cameras, blitzes and hoon laws are really working.

To top it off, Victoria Police have wasted money on new liveries for TMU Cars. A dash of yellow and blue. Look more like racing cars now.

Spending on more members seems to be "too hard" for any Government though.

uranium_death · 19-01-2009, 12:21 AM

By labelling people "hoons", the government can justify fines for all sorts of things.
A little loss of control in the wet, and you're a hoon.

We've become label crazy, rather than looking at the fundamental problem.

In crashes, speed is often (mostly I would assume?) a factor, but not the cause.

Poor decision making is the root of the problem. People who don't hold their line on turns, people who crawl (especially in the right hand lane - when they aren't overtaking or turning right), people who cut you off etc.

Human error is too great to expect the road toll be be 0.
Human error is too great to entrust them to govern over us.
Paradox.

mrbaxr6t · 19-01-2009, 12:57 AM

I have worked and continue to work long difficult arduous hours, and it was a goal of mine to own a turbo car by the time I hit 30, and I did it thank you Ford for building this car for me in time. What does this make me? A middle aged hoon? I have worked too long and hard to get the car just to go out and be a moron and destroy it. I think that makes me an enthusiast like many here, enthusiasts are often tarred with the "hoon" tag because they own a nice car. More often than not that "hoon" word comes from people who don't own such a nice vehicle. To clarify I have a home loan too not just some dude with a car and thats all. I really grow tired of this stereotype. My father is in his 60's he owns a one off EB XR8 what that make him? A viagra hoon? Sometimes I think the media is just a squawkbox to get us annoyed with something.

schnoods · 19-01-2009, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by b0son

around 20% of drink drivers are in the 40-60 age group.

http://www.tac.vic.gov.au/jsp/conten...ull&pageID=164

31% were between 21 and 29 years of age,
32% were aged between 30 and 39 years, 19% were aged over 40,
and the remaining 18% were 20 years of age or younger

Now if you take the above info, from 21-39 year olds account for 63 percent over a 18 year period, where as the over 40 crowd (which could apply to a 90 year old) accounted for only 19 percent which is similar to the under 20 crowd, unfortunately it is only a 3 year span there, unless they are underage drinking and driving...

Interesting graph as well on page 4-5 with high blood alcohol readings and drink driving offences.

http://www.monash.edu.au/cemo/roadsa...ndsexsmall.pdf

vztrt · 19-01-2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobman

YTD
2008 toll 14
2009 toll 21 (up 50%)

Victoria's road toll to date and last year's from 01/01 to 19/01.

Yeah, cameras, blitzes and hoon laws are really working.

To top it off, Victoria Police have wasted money on new liveries for TMU Cars. A dash of yellow and blue. Look more like racing cars now.

Spending on more members seems to be "too hard" for any Government though.

You'll notice as petrol creaps up to $1.50 a litre the road toll will decrease as people wont be driving as much. At $1 a litre ever moron is out there driving now.

4Vman · 19-01-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by b0son

around 20% of drink drivers are in the 40-60 age group.

Not quite right.... there was no upper limit on the 40+ age group.
But around 50% were in the 18 - 29 age group!

outback_ute · 19-01-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

You'll notice as petrol creaps up to $1.50 a litre the road toll will decrease as people wont be driving as much. At $1 a litre ever moron is out there driving now.

I agree, I think this was one of the main reasons for the lower road toll last year (in Vic at least).

**Theo@BluePower** · 19-01-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobman

YTD
2008 toll 14
2009 toll 21 (up 50%)

Victoria's road toll to date and last year's from 01/01 to 19/01.

Yeah, cameras, blitzes and hoon laws are really working.

To top it off, Victoria Police have wasted money on new liveries for TMU Cars. A dash of yellow and blue. Look more like racing cars now.

Spending on more members seems to be "too hard" for any Government though.

This is where these figures are totally wrong and show the worse not the good that is being done.

If you were to make it a % figure and compare it to the amount of new cars on the road comapred to the last year the figures will look so much better....

Dr_Hoon · 19-01-2009, 08:52 AM

Here is a book chapter I wrote about 'the hoon' and moral panics for a book on moral panics and youth. I explore the 'hoon' in terms of moral panic theory.

I go into a little of the history of the word in the chapter, but what I have learned since then is that 'hoon' was used in the 1950s and 1960s to describe runners/drivers for pimps. In the NSW police archives there is a whole bunch of 'hoon files'. In the late-1960s 'hoon' started to be used as an insult by bourgeois motoring enthusiasts (think circuit/hill climb, jaguars, sprites, MGs, etc.) against people who modified Fords and Holdens.