98 EL has it got the AU head?

ernie21 · 01-10-2006, 06:10 PM

hey i just got a new car. It's a 2/98 EL Futura and i was wondering if it still has the normal EL motor in it?

Jason[98.EL] · 01-10-2006, 07:33 PM

gday there

i have a 98 el that does have the AU head but im not sure when it came into production on these cars

they call it a hybrid motor and its a pain in the butt hard to get a cam for it

jason

Allen · 01-10-2006, 07:38 PM

try and find the casting date on the head, it should be on the front of the head.
If it is an EL Head, the casting date should be 94 if I remember correctly, if you have an AU hybrid, it will have a casting date of 98.

ernie21 · 01-10-2006, 07:50 PM

just went out and checked and its got 95 at the beginning on the front of the motor. so does that mean its not the hybrid motor? On the compliance plate its got 02/98.

Just not sure which motor ive got

Allen · 01-10-2006, 07:54 PM

sorry, my mistake...

My ED has a 91 cast head, and I've also got a head off a 97 EL XR6, which has a 95 casting.

That means you have a EL engine

ernie21 · 01-10-2006, 07:57 PM

Thanks mate makes choosing a cam so much easier

Allen · 01-10-2006, 08:00 PM

good luck trying to find a new cam... Apparently no one is maufacturing billets for the 4.0 the only option is a reground stock cam with lifter shims.

ernie21 · 01-10-2006, 08:04 PM

I have been looking at the RPD cams and so far the R6 is taking my fancy

**data_mine** · 01-10-2006, 08:15 PM

If the part number is 95xxxxxxxx you're reading the wrong number. EL's came with either a 94DA (or 94DT for Tickford heads) which are the standard head, or a 96DA (96DT for Tickford) which are the hybrid head.

My EL (March 98) came with a 96DA head, and I've successfully run a cam from RPD in it (and pumped out 150RWKW).

I now have a full XR engine in it with a 94DT head.

To read the right number, you'll have to remove the belt cover. The number starting with 95 is the part number of the timing case - no use).

PS: I have that RPD cam for sale if anyone is interested - PM me.

Jason[98.EL] · 01-10-2006, 08:19 PM

ok guys mine has 96da

datamine can you contact me please

jason

Jason[98.EL] · 01-10-2006, 08:26 PM

data mine pm sent

Allen · 01-10-2006, 08:26 PM

are you sure?? I've just gone all over my tickford head, and the only casting on it, apart from the tickford "T" is "95DT" on the front of the head.
There is a "4.0" with a few other numbers stamped into it next to the no1 intake runner port, but that is it... nothing else.

EDIT - 95DT...

**data_mine** · 01-10-2006, 08:40 PM

Never seen a 95DT head. eek.

Allen · 01-10-2006, 08:45 PM

It came off a 97 EL xr6.... Ive seen a 94DT cast head on a mates EF Xr....

**data_mine** · 01-10-2006, 09:01 PM

My new EL XR6 engine, came with a 94DT head, as here....
http://fordmods.datamine.tk/gal_Engi...126.JPG?size=f (BIG picture)

Definately from an EL (has dizzy).

Allen · 01-10-2006, 09:06 PM

oh well... who knows what ford does when it comes to dates... my dads landau was built jan 76, but backdated to dec 75 so it didn't have to comply with new ADRs...
I think what we have established, is that ernie21's EL has a EL head, not the hybrid... It is known that the 96 cast heads are the AU ones...

efgiar · 01-10-2006, 09:26 PM

all el's built after the 2nd or 3rd month in 98 (from memory) have the hybrid heads

ernie21 · 01-10-2006, 09:32 PM

hey just looked behind the belt cover and its got 96DA-XXXXX so does that mean its the hybrid one?

5speedeb · 01-10-2006, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ernie21

hey just looked behind the belt cover and its got 96DA-XXXXX so does that mean its the hybrid one?

yep sure is

arm79 · 02-10-2006, 12:34 PM

94AB and 94DT heads were on the very first EL's. Left over stocks from the EF range. They were pretty much all used by Dec 96 / Jan 97.

The head was revised and had part numbers of 95AA or 95DT. These were fitted until the change over to the hybrid motor in 02/98.

Then the heads became the AU heads and were cast with a 96DA or 96DT part number.

ernie21 · 02-10-2006, 08:02 PM

So does anyone know of a good cam to go in the hybrid motor? Hopefully one that is suited to the auto.

Jason[98.EL] · 02-10-2006, 08:48 PM

Hard to find a good one for the hybrid motor if you dont have huge amounts of money to spend

jmm do one but looking at 450 + for one

i have not really looked into it

jason

niko · 02-10-2006, 10:14 PM

arnt his normal cams that price anyway?

eldreamin · 03-10-2006, 09:34 PM

I am only just getting to no falcon engines and just found out I got a hybrid too..... Does this mean finding cams is going to be a pain in the ***? Is jmm the only people who make one?

Does anyone know of any other issues I will need to consider in regards to modifying this engine? Any help you guys can provide would be great.

OED666 · 03-10-2006, 10:02 PM

i dont know why ppl have said its hard to find a cam for AU heads... Surecam do billets for AU's. they are awesome, and i have one. see sig for results

**data_mine** · 03-10-2006, 11:14 PM

The EL's still run an EL computer, so can't run just any AU cam. Many have tried AU cams in hybrid EL's with poor results.

RPD made the cam in my Hybrid EL, it put out 150RWKW (201 ponies)
Give Jaysen a line: cams@rpd.com.au

OED666 · 04-10-2006, 08:58 AM

first i have ever heard of that...

i have an AU motor in my car, with an ED computer...

i know for certain UNR8D had a Hybrid motor, AU billet cam, and it went like a cut snake!!!

**data_mine** · 04-10-2006, 07:54 PM

I beleive arm79 tried an AU cam in his, and it worked poorly, sewing black smoke and such. I let him confirm if I remember correctly or not.

ernie21 · 04-10-2006, 07:59 PM

So would i be better getting a AU cam or seeing if i can get RPD to do a R6 that will go in me hybrid?

**data_mine** · 04-10-2006, 08:20 PM

well in all seriousness, I've only tried RPD's hybrid cam, heard bad stories about AU cams (no first hand experience). That's my story, if others here say the surecam one works great, then that'd be a good option too.