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https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...racing-112112/
Mustang is getting a twin turbo V6 and the ZB Commodore gets a V8?????????? ![]() MOTORSPORT: Ford is back in Supercars racing! Twin-turbocharged V6 Ford Mustang to race in 2019 Ford will tomorrow announce its return to Australia’s pre-eminent motorsport category in 2019 with a racing version of the Mustang. And in a shock twist, the Ford Mustang is likely to be powered by a twin-turbocharged V6 rather than a V8. The news comes just days after Holden announced it was suspending a program to develop a turbocharged V6 engine for its new ZB Commodore, which has leapt out of the blocks and dominated the early exchanges in the 2018 championship. The confirmation of Mustang and the return of Ford is a massive boost for Supercars, as the Blue Oval teams currently campaign the Ford Falcon FG X, which went out of production in 2016. The third car on the grid is the Nissan Altima, which is also no longer sold in Australia. Nissan’s whole future in Supercars is up for review this year and it’s not looking good given poor results so far in 2018. A lot of detail about the plans for Mustang and how it and its engine will be developed for Supercars is yet to break loose. But we do know Ford will be represented in the program by its global motorsport and hot tuner division, Ford Performance, while the two main Ford Supercars teams, Tickford Racing and DJR Team Penske, will play an important role. The development of the Mustang’s aerodynamic package and the engine will be the key technical challenges for the program. The two-door body is the first to be introduced in the locally-developed Supercars category since it debuted in the early 1990s as a Holden Commodore v Ford Falcon formula. Unlike Ford's global Mustang GT4 racer (pictured), it will be massaged to fit on the standard ‘Gen2’ spaceframe chassis and wheelbase that all Supercars are based on. Ford has been out of Supercars since 2015, when it withdrew the last skerricks of its support for what was then called Prodrive Racing Australia (now Tickford Racing). Its return is unlikely to involve a large direct financial contribution. Instead, it will primarily include significant technical support through Ford Performance and the local arm’s license to race the Mustang bodyshape. While the Falcon has been the focus of much of Ford’s touring car racing activity in Australia, the Mustang also has a mighty history here. Ian ‘Pete Geoghegan won four consecutive Australian Touring Car Championships in the 1960s in first generation Mustangs with Norm Beechey adding another in in the same era. Allan Moffat’s Coca-Cola Trans-Am Mustang was a star of the early 1970s and Jim Richards’ Sidchrome Mustang a Sports Sedan hero of the late 1970s. More recently Dick Johnson raced a Mustang during the Group A era. |
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By the time they get through changing it to conform to COF rules, it'll look like a two door Commodore..
If Mustang get the TTV6, it will probably be the version used in the Ford GT, I wonder how they intend to nobble it... and would Ford need to restart V6 sales to justify some form of homoligation? Maybe just stick with the 5.0 V8 and give the competition a lesson in DOHC. |
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twin turbo V6? What are they thinking??
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Depends on which story you want to believe lol.....
https://autoaction.com.au/2018/04/16...s-with-mustang Quote:
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Twin turbo v6. Just as they stop producing a V6 model. What's the point.
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I think they'll stick with the current 5.0 V8. Its a proven performer, has had lots of development undertaken on it to get it where it is and does not need any fiddling to meet the power and torque curve requirements. But most of all, it will not need any development $$$$.
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Even the road going GT has the equivalent power and torque of the V8, the only tweaking will be fitting it in the Gen 2 framework.
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Whilst that may reduce the $$$ needed to be invested, it will still need some $$$ spent on it.
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Not to mention its a much more complicated motor than the v8 so if there hobbled to the same power whats the incentive to use it
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The part I took out of the article was that Ford performance dealers will be introduced to sell hi-po cars.
Does this mean Shelby? *checking my acct for gt350 funds....i can dream.
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Imma still thinking it will be the Mondeo
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IF all is confirmed re back in with Pony etcetc it won't be the TT it will be the current V8 for sure.
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If the Mustang was available to purchase with a version of the GT V6 TT I would seriously consider that over the V8.
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Wow, what awesome news!
![]() TTV6, Ecoboost 4cyl, 5.0L.... who cares really, as long as its in a Mustang! How does all of this tie into the other news that Supercars owners are selling off the competition? How much longer will Supercars even be around for?
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Sound like they are going to run with the Euro/US "Ford Performance" moniker.............tantalisingly close to our home grown retired FPV brand but no cigar again I guess.
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Holden have put the V6TT on hold https://www.speedcafe.com/2018/04/06...o-development/ |
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The TT V6 would be a great choice. Was originally developed in IMSA sportscar racing. From there, it went into the new Ford GT and won Le Mans on its first outing there and is also in the new Ford Raptor and Ford GT road cars. They make good power, the reliability has been proven in endurance racing. The only question mark would be over packaging.
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The word is it is going to be the 5litre V8.Now if only Nissan could on board with the GTR,we could have a real contest! Cheers
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Me thinks there might be some behind the scenes psychology at play here.
Firstly Penske puts Ford on notice, then Holden/RD can the TTV6, now Ford are handing over Mustang but conflicting stories on what will power it. And all of this around the notice of the series up for sale. Intersting times to be a fan, haven't had this much suspense involving the next generation of cars since the GrpA days. |
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It's cool . To have a factory Ford team or two in the game again has to be good .
The V6 TT is a mighty race engine so I doubt if the Ford teams will miss much in comparison to the V8.. Imagine if they whacked the road version into the Mondeo akin to the Taurus SHO too . If that was remotely possible they might actually sell a few Mondy's then. Just wondering do all Ford teams have to use Mustang though . Can the Falcon still be used next year or not if any team wanted to . That'd be interesting . |
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Re the Taurus SHO from 2017 . The road version engine with the 3.5 litre twin turbo , bone stock whacking out 365 horsepower and a lot of torque via all wheel drive
Wish Ford had something here with this , not a piddley 2.0 like the Mondeo is shackled to . The race developed version is a rocket apparently should the Mustang teams end up going with it next year in Supercars Taurus isn't terrible to look at either but will never be done for RHD of course . here's a quick look review from not too long ago and the new one is on it's way in the US and Canada soon . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwWcu054TyM |
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Ford Australia have a Ford Performance announcement of their Facebook page live 11am Tuesday 17th.
Hopefully the media have not confused the rollout of the Ford Performance brand with Supercars in error..... |
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Nup, no Mondeos or V6s in the workshops.
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Series was up for sale last year with no takers at the asking price, I’d guess the teams will eventually buy it back for far less than they unloaded it for. |
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