Aug Vfact - Aug 2014 - Merc C Class Outsells falcon

[chopstar87]

I was looking at V facts for August on Car advice.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/305763/n...s-august-2014/

and I noticed that merc sold more C-class cars (488) then ford sold falcons (442)..

Talk about a depressing, as a ford fan, our Mass Market Hero the Falcon is been out sold by a Up market luxury car...

Additional Info:
commodore sold 2,344 cars.

and

The Chrysler 300 sold: 162 cars against its natural competitor Holden Caprice 107

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by chopstar87

Additional Info:
commodore sold 2,344 cars.

Wow. Those numbers are Very Farked.

[bobthebilda]

Those commodore numbers (if they continue to drop) certainly dont bode well for Holden lasting out til 2017. With the Ute selling just over 400, and the Caprice circa 100 last month (havent seen any cruze figures yet, but put a guess at 1300 or so for the month), the total made for the l Iocal market is just over 4000 per month. Not to mention the cruze cant be doing them any favours at all, and they must be l Iosing a bucket load for each car. It certainly will be a case ( as has been mentioned a few times in the last few weeks), if suppliers are going to be able to keep going at these l Iow build rates.

[Bent8]

I guess the move from large to small cars is really picking up across all segments now.. but let's see if the trend continues when the FG X is released.

If you ask me, the new 2015 C-class doesn't look that great next to the new Falcon.

[Polyal]

Maybe 5% tops of those C class sales you could consider as cross shopping...otherwise they are different people and they would probably get an E Class anyway of cost wasnt the main issue.

[vztrt]

Have we got full figures for Ford and Holden?

[chopstar87]

Top 10 Best-selling Vehicles – August 2014
1.Toyota Corolla – 3247
2.Mazda 3 – 3124
3.Toyota HiLux – 2918
4.Hyundai i30 – 2651
5.Holden Commodore – 2344
6.Ford Ranger – 2222
7.Mitsubishi Triton – 1799
8.Toyota Camry – 1685
9.Mazda CX-5 – 1649
10.Holden Colorado – 1637

Top 10 Best-selling Vehicles – 2014 to date
1.Toyota Corolla – 29,213
2.Mazda 3 – 29,069
3.Toyota HiLux – 25,218
4.Holden Commodore – 21,168
5.Hyundai i30 – 20,777
6.Ford Ranger – 17,688
7.Mitsubishi Triton – 14,838
8.Mazda CX-5 – 14,550
9.Toyota Camry – 13,608
10.Volkswagen Golf (including Cabriolet) – 13,378

Top 10 Best-selling Brands – August 2014
1.Toyota – 15,638
2.Holden – 8635
3.Hyundai – 8601
4.Mazda – 7529
5.Ford – 6908
6.Mitsubishi – 5233
7.Nissan – 5124
8.Volkswagen – 4066
9.Subaru – 2901
10.Honda – 2759

Top 10 Best-selling Brands – 2014 to date
1.Toyota – 133,229
2.Holden – 74,398
3.Mazda – 67,487
4.Hyundai – 66,549
5.Ford – 55,360
6.Nissan – 43,730
7.Mitsubishi – 42,951
8.Volkswagen – 36,628
9.Subaru – 26,062
10.Honda – 20,910

[Alan D Segal]

Originally Posted by Bent8

If you ask me, the new 2015 C-class doesn't look that great next to the new Falcon.

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No not that great... Amazing

[Smoke Pursuit]

C Classes would be predominately be dealer and Mercedes Benz Australia regos as the new model was launched last month.

Mercedes has been holding stock back to ensure they could launch them all at once, which meant they had a ship load of stock sitting on the docks here and most were registered in August.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Camry sales wtf....

[Alan D Segal]

There's a lot of bad dads out there

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by tempted

It managed to sell almost 6 times the number of Falcons, yet the VF numbers are farked?
I think the numbers are fairly respectable, taking into account the slump in demand for large cars and the fact that it was a slow month across the board for most manufacturers.

How much money did they just pump into the vehicle that they have to recoup?
How many units do they produce a month?
Considering they pulled the pin means that the more sales they are selling has done nothing.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Holden are still pushing Commodore, Ford have not been pushing Falcon.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Bent8

I guess the move from large to small cars is really picking up across all segments now.. but let's see if the trend continues when the FG X is released.

If you ask me, the new 2015 C-class doesn't look that great next to the new Falcon.

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The difference is someone buying a Merc wouldn't consider Ford in the first place, two different buyers.

[bobthebilda]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

C Classes would be predominately be dealer and Mercedes Benz Australia regos as the new model was launched last month.

Mercedes has been holding stock back to ensure they could launch them all at once, which meant they had a ship load of stock sitting on the docks here and most were registered in August.

When I rented a car from europcar a few weeks back, they had special pricing for Merc C class at about $85 a day ( @200 k's a day). I suspect a decent proportion of those C Classes, were for demo regos as you indicate and to Europcar.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

When I rented a car from europcar a few weeks back, they had special pricing for Merc C class at about $85 a day ( @200 k's a day). I suspect a decent proportion of those C Classes, were for demo regos as you indicate and to Europcar.

Its also Mercedes salary fleet car for their employees.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by bobthebilda

When I rented a car from europcar a few weeks back, they had special pricing for Merc C class at about $85 a day ( @200 k's a day). I suspect a decent proportion of those C Classes, were for demo regos as you indicate and to Europcar.

Was it the new shape or the runout one?

[chopstar87]

The C-Class has outsold the Falcon year to date...

I think after 6 months, the Falcon was 47th best selling vehicle in the country.

My thought was not that the Falcon and C-Class, would be looked at by the same people in "most" situations, but would be at times, but more a "premium" or "luxury" car is now out selling the blue collar, Mass Market model in the falcon.

Hopefully with the new falcon coming out soon, and having a more premium look, it will help with sales. Interior will hold it back a little thou.. the falcon will never return to the top 5 or even maybe 10, but hopefully It will rise from 47th.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Bent8

I guess the move from large to small cars is really picking up across all segments now.. but let's see if the trend continues when the FG X is released.

If you ask me, the new 2015 C-class doesn't look that great next to the new Falcon.

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LOL....have you driven one?

I have a C250 wagon with all the AMG options in arctic white in the driveway for the missus.

a 2.3L diesel that has 500nM of torque, 150kw and sips 4.5 L/100km

Harmon Kardon 7 speaker stereo/gps/voice recog.
AMG wheels, brakes, suspension,vision pack etc etc

3 year warranty including all fluids, courtesy car free....

and it's RWD.

Great resale...it's a Merc....

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Bent8

If you ask me, the new 2015 C-class doesn't look that great next to the new Falcon.

Until you sit inside one...

[FG50T]

Drove into Mercedes two weeks ago to look at something else. They valet parked my car, fed me a snag, gave me a glass of bubbly and sat me in a chair to talk about the new C before I could barely get a word in. They moved me to another office after I said I was looking for ML63 Wouldn't surprise me if they were out of stock already

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Until you sit inside one...

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The blue lights would look like a nightclub at night, I wonder if they flash to music lol?

Originally Posted by FG50T

Drove into Mercedes two weeks ago to look at something else. They valet parked my car, fed me a snag, gave me a glass of bubbly and sat me in a chair to talk about the new C before I could barely get a word in. They moved me to another office after I said I was looking for ML63 Wouldn't surprise me if they were out of stock already

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[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by chopstar87

I was looking at V facts for August on Car advice.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/305763/n...s-august-2014/

and I noticed that merc sold more C-class cars (488) then ford sold falcons (442)..

Talk about a depressing, as a ford fan, our Mass Market Hero the Falcon is been out sold by a Up market luxury car...

Additional Info:
commodore sold 2,344 cars.

and

The Chrysler 300 sold: 162 cars against its natural competitor Holden Caprice 107

BMW 3 series sold 464...

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by vztrt

How much money did they just pump into the vehicle that they have to recoup?
How many units do they produce a month?
Considering they pulled the pin means that the more sales they are selling has done nothing.

They are in better shape than Prodrive that couldn't even see the point in hanging around until 2016 and walked away from an engine that hadn't paid for itself.

The point being that things aren't good for Commodore, but its all relative. Ford hit this point years ago. Holden is just catching up.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Bent8

I guess the move from large to small cars is really picking up across all segments now.. but let's see if the trend continues when the FG X is released.

I don't think FG X will address the decline. Buyers have moved on.
Taxi fleets will float the numbers for a while but I reckon private buyers won't even bat an eyelid. Commodore should be commended for continuing its sales drive. Sales of that car will continue to support parts and service for years to come for Holden. The way things will transpire , FG X falcon will be rarer than GT F..... Lol.

We've all seen this coming for a while so it's no surprise, just a sad realisation.

New C class looks awesome, makes Audi and BMW look " last century " in comparison. Good thing about strong merc sales is more of them available in the second hand car market in years to come. Affordable euro class for the average punter.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by tempted

It managed to sell almost 6 times the number of Falcons, yet the VF numbers are farked?
.

Seem to forget that when the Falcon dropped that low, the chopping block was predicted...

[Auslandau]

So large cars dont sell anymore?

6 are large, 1 is mid size to large ...... does that mean small cars don't sell?

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Until you sit inside one...

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Maybe if the C class engineers only had an "FG X development" budget they would be driving FG X's instead

[Chopped]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

Wow. Those numbers are Very Farked.

70% of the market segment is pretty good IMO

Falcon sales will have to increase around 500% just to match those "very ****** sales numbers.

[Spammy]

Iirc the C Class outsold Falcon for the last 12 months...not just Aug. I wonder what the global sales number is for the C Class?