Vic Police Minister caught speeding

[Dauphin]

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...-1225997369396

Victorian police minister Peter Ryan caught speeding

* From: AAP
* January 31, 2011 12:10PM

JUST days after being sworn in as Victoria's police minister, Peter Ryan was clocked speeding in Melbourne.

Mr Ryan says he was caught speeding in a street near the Royal Melbourne Hospital in Parkville.

He says it is not something that happens often and he wants to be up front with people about the breach.

"I was picked up at, I think it said 63 (km/h) on the fine that I have received," he told reporters today.

"So I was going too fast, I've got to slow down.

"It's something that doesn't happen with regularity but I highlight it because I do want to be completely transparent about this."

Mr Ryan has asked Auditor-General Des Pearson to review the performance of fixed and mobile speed cameras.

The weekly locations of mobile cameras will soon be available on a website and a road safety camera commissioner will be appointed to monitor the operation of the speed and red-light camera network.

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Mr Ryan said the measures he has announced were the largest overhaul of the speed camera system since it was introduced into Victoria in 1990.

He said he hoped he would receive a report from Mr Pearson within weeks.

"I think people will be much more confident about the system once all this is done," Mr Ryan said.

[charles_wif_xf]

What would be funny is if he was plucked for doing 63 in a 60 zone LOL!!!

[flappist]

63 eh?

Is that a 60 or 50 zone?

I sure do hope it is a 60 so they expidite any changes in policy.....

[charles_wif_xf]

Originally Posted by flappist

63 eh?

Is that a 60 or 50 zone?

I sure do hope it is a 60 so they expidite any changes in policy.....

10% tolerance or scrapping of the revenue cameras altogether?

[Fled74]

Wow, he did 3 kays over and he lived to tell the tale.

[T3man]

I love his comment, "it's not something that happens often". In other words he's admitting that he frequently does it (speed) but just 'not often'.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by T3man

I love his comment, "it's not something that happens often". In other words he's admitting that he frequently does it (speed) but just 'not often'.

Or is it that he does not get caught often.....

As the minister concerned he must set an example of just how dangerous this is by resigning from parliment.

Or is it actually not that dangerous really, well except to revenue...

[T3man]

^^^ ^^^

[zdcol71]

Before this turns into a "polly getting caught" bashing, I wonder how many people here instead of just trotting out the usual "revenue raising" mantra, might actually see some benefit in putting pressure on this "insider" to actually bring about a positive result. Rather than just lambast the guy from an annonymous forum (that I would guess he doesn't subscribe to), use the opportunity to lever any sympathy for your cause with the aid of this newly awakened "law breaker"

[balthazarr]

Is it jut me that thinks it's awfully convenient that Vic has announced it is reviewing ALL of its speed cameras and introducing 'transparency' to the system, just after the Minister was nabbed speeding?

Guess he didn't have any confidence in the accuracy of the 63 reading.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by zdcol71

Before this turns into a "polly getting caught" bashing, I wonder how many people here instead of just trotting out the usual "revenue raising" mantra, might actually see some benefit in putting pressure on this "insider" to actually bring about a positive result. Rather than just lambast the guy from an annonymous forum (that I would guess he doesn't subscribe to), use the opportunity to lever any sympathy for your cause with the aid of this newly awakened "law breaker"

Nah, Impound or crush his car

[SteveJH]

Originally Posted by tweeked

Nah, Impound or crush his car

Do ministers get a government car?

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by SteveJH

Do ministers get a government car?

Yes, crush it and make him keep it in his office

[GreenR]

It will be interesting to see just how third party and non biased this investigation will be. Wonder if they would have the guts to come out and boldly label it a complete revenue raiser for the government if that was the verdict. Can' t wait

[bungarra]

Probably claim it as a work related expense!!!

[Full Noise]

Peter Ryan is a actually a pretty decent bloke, one of the few politicians who say it like it is.

What we need is someone this senior to show how stupid and unfair the current system really is.

[Silver Ghia]

Re this article on the Herald-Sun website: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...-1225997125041

Suspect it was actually a XB GT that he had, not a EB GT since I cannot remember a 2 door 351 EB.

[bungarra]

Originally Posted by nitro xr

Re this article on the Herald-Sun website: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...-1225997125041

Suspect it was actually a XB GT that he had, not a EB GT since I cannot remember a 2 door 351 EB.

One of the rarest hard tops ever made Given it sounds like he used to own real piece of Ford muscle, he might be a member of this or the XBGT forum.

[EDManual]

it was a 60 zone, so 3kmh over!

Plus I really wanted to ring up when he was on the radio saying speeding is dangerous as "around 100 people a year are killed because of speed."

Now that is any speed to fast for the conditions (or too fast for the person driving), not actually speeding. I hate that statistical error they never mention!

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by EDManual

it was a 60 zone, so 3kmh over!

He’s lucky that he’s alive to talk about it. Such a blatant disregard for the law too.

I once travelled at 69 on a 60 zone and I’m lucky to be alive. My car could have exploded and killed me, as well as everyone else in the area.

[platinumXR]

Originally Posted by nitro xr

Re this article on the Herald-Sun website: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...-1225997125041

Suspect it was actually a XB GT that he had, not a EB GT since I cannot remember a 2 door 351 EB.

Maybe it was a 3-door XE GT? We all know journo's never let facts get in the way of a story...

[prydey]

Mr Ryan has asked Auditor-General Des Pearson to review the performance of fixed and mobile speed cameras.

The weekly locations of mobile cameras will soon be available on a website and a road safety camera commissioner will be appointed to monitor the operation of the speed and red-light camera network.

Mr Ryan said the measures he has announced were the largest overhaul of the speed camera system since it was introduced into Victoria in 1990.

He said he hoped he would receive a report from Mr Pearson within weeks.

"I think people will be much more confident about the system once all this is done," Mr Ryan said.

would it be too hopeful to read into this that maybe he has realised that the tolerance is too tight??

i guess reading between the lines, you could come to a range of conclusions.

[LTDHO]

OMG, any children or old ladies killed?

[yanknbank]

Came across this recently.

TIME TO END SPEED LIMIT FARCE

As another double-demerit period comes to a close, now is a good time to acknowledge the pointlessness of enforcing laws that lack community support.

Speed limits on highways and freeways are way out of step with community standards. This is obvious from the fact that the only time they are obeyed is when there is a high likelihood of being booked, such as a few hundred metres either side of a speed camera.

Attempts to enforce such laws are not only a waste of resources, but contrary to the principles of a free society. They create conflict between the police and community, and encourage governments to focus on raising revenue.

“Nobody denies the fact that people are injured and die in road accidents,” said Outdoor Recreation Party spokesman David Leyonhjelm.

“But if the aim of speed limits is to eliminate the road toll, they should be about 10 km/h. Obviously there has to be a trade-off with travel times. The issue is, who should decide on that trade-off? Currently it is faceless, nameless bureaucrats in the RTA, with rare input from a politician. Pretty obviously, they are out of step with the community.”

"The Outdoor Recreation Party believes the normally careful and competent actions of a reasonable person should be considered legal. We propose that speed limits be determined by the community, through application of the 85th percentile formula."

This is an internationally recognised method, used in most of the USA and Canada, in which the speed limit is removed for a time while speeds are monitored. After a suitable period the speed limit is set at the 85th percentile. Statistically it is known that drivers who significantly exceed this level, or who travel well below it, are far more likely to cause road accidents.

“Roads are better designed and cars far safer than they were when the current range of speed limits was established many decades ago, so recalibrating speed limits may not alter the road toll. But even if there was an increase in accidents, the community shows it is willing to accept that. Public servants and politicians should not be telling the community it is wrong and they are right. That’s the Big Brother approach.”

“Far better to have 85% of the people supporting a law so enforcement can concentrate on the 15% who disregard it, than vice versa,” Mr Leyonhjelm said.

The Outdoor Recreation Party will be contesting the NSW state election based on a platform of less regulation and reduced bureaucracy.

Don't agree with everything they suggest (from a political ideology point of view that is), but they're pretty close to the mark on this one.

http://www.ldp.org.au/pdfs/Policy-motor_traffic.pdf

Maybe it should be forwarded to Deputy Premiere Ryan.

[ltd_on20s]

HANG HIM!!!!! lol

[zdcol71]

Originally Posted by Professor_Evans

Speed cameras are ridiculous. We should probably just get rid of all the ****** drivers out there; old men/women that are out of touch with road rules, young ********* who think they're race drivers and inattentive ******* who talk on the phone/eat/drink at the same time while driving.

I may be a young ******** but I don't think I'm a racedriver lol.

Now thats the sort of sensible discussion this issue really needs ,Professor.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by Professor_Evans

Yes, it actually is a sensible discussion. Too bad I made it seem really dodgy by swearing so much. Perhaps its time for a thread on the removal of "stale-drivers"..?

Just as soon as we have a thread on the secission of South Australia from the rest of the nation - in order to mitigate the pollution of the gene pool with genome stupid.
Doesn't feel good to be a target does it? Stale drivers? Please. To suit some young kid with an EA wagon and his inability to drive you want to remove the entitlement of half the nation to hold a licence? Grow up.

As for Peter Ryan, I have to disagree Fullnoise; Peter's an absolute bastard. He is Mr Politically Correct and Mr Softly Softly. Infact, he's so soft that it's a miracle he's managed to sire children.
As former police commissioner of NSW, he ruined our once fine police force. Thanks to him and his politician mates, all of the senior and seasoned police left the force, as they watched young idiots just out of Goulburn get promoted before them because they had a university degree in criminology. Further, he set up the Police Integrity Commission, which set about giving criminals an extra option on how to get back on the streets. Whatsmore he's more interested in spinning the message than the actual facts. Mark my words, Victoria will go backwards in law and order thanks to this clown; just like NSW has.

Finally, just before the end of his tenure, Peter Ryan was on Holidays when one of his officers was shot and killed. Did he break his holiday to attend the funeral? Nope. Not his job apparently. If you don't believe me on this, ask any NSW police officer who worked under him what they think.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by ltd

As for Peter Ryan, I have to disagree Fullnoise; Peter's an absolute bastard.

I was unaware of this and thanks for pointing it out to me. That sort of damage can take generations to fix.

My apologies

[Dauphin]

Police officer Trevor Bergman challenges speeding fine in County Court

A VETERAN traffic cop's eight-year battle against a speeding fine heads to the County Court today in a landmark fight that could put thousands of other penalties in doubt.

Leading Sen-Constable Trevor Bergman will use quotes from the Police Minister to support his fight and he also hopes to introduce evidence alleging previous state governments had seen speed cameras more as revenue raisers than life savers.

.............

But a source familiar with the case said he would argue that comments made by Police Minister Peter Ryan about speedometer accuracy backed his argument.

Mr Ryan last week told the Herald Sun he had asked the Auditor-General to examine the issue of vehicle manufacturers having difficulty guaranteeing speedometer accuracy.

He said there was "a strong suggestion that the speedometers can't these days actually produce the accurate figure".

Mr Ryan added: "People worry about the fact that their speedo can't record the speed they are doing and how can it be that a camera system can operate on a presumption that the speed the motorist is seeing is accurate? I think there does need to be a measure of tolerance."

Ldg Sen-Constable Bergman is expected to argue that if a motorist is driving a pre-2006 car, they should not be booked unless they are doing more than 10 per cent over the limit, say 89km/h in an 80km/h zone.

Until 2006, Australian design rules required speedometers to be accurate to plus or minus 10 per cent.

More here:

http://www.news.com.au/national/poli...-1226003385329

[ltd]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

I was unaware of this and thanks for pointing it out to me. That sort of damage can take generations to fix.

My apologies

No problems mate and no need to apologise.

We had this guy at the height of his Napolean Bonaparte phase when as Police Commissioner he was security boss of the Sydney 2000 olympics. He set up his police integrity commission, which saw dozens of NSW police officers take their own lives.
He then went on to Athens in 2004 to advise them of how to fall *** backwards into some luck whereby he escaped any terrorist threats. Never mind the fact that Sydney 2000 was before 911, and Greece being three years after that tragic event he was not so enthusiastically listened to. Nevertheless, after little Napolean was ignored on several key issues he came back to Australia (he is actually a Brit) and set designs on being Police Commissioner once again. NSW baying for his blood meant he had to set his sights geographically south which is why he is now Police Mal-administrator for the Victorian police. After all, our last export from NSW police to Victoria Police went well didn't it?

He'll set up a Police Integrity Commission in Victoria faster than Angelina Jolie adopting jungle pygmies from Africa; the intent of which is to hamstring the police and move the police force to a police service, police council, police warm and cuddly etc etc. The idea is, by moving the police to the PC extreme, you can adopt the softly softly approach which infuriates the public to the extent they lose confidence, and don't bother calling police or reporting crimes as much. The long and the short of it is, the crime statistics fall (due to lack of reporting) and Peter Ryan is seen to be doing a good job. Sounds ridiculous I know, but this idiot left NSW saying that crime was lower than when he first came here.
Even the ABS guy has come out and said it was BS - he reached this epiphone after being a victim of crime himself.

Nope, my advice to you Victorians is to lobby to get rid of this populist spin doctoring police commisar before he does any more damage to the morale of the fine group of men and women charged with keeping us safe. Ted Balloon whatever your name is, show some balls and give Victorians real action and not spin; fire that PC loser.