Poisoning our atmosphere anyone else know of this

[12slotter]

.... Yet the EPA keeps smacking us around the head about exhaust emissions,,,,,I have seen these Chemtrails but didn't take much notice ,thinking they were just from the jet engines........as in normal

'contrails" ill be looking up more often now and its been going on for yonks http://www.zengardner.com/chemtrails...r-known-facts/

[revcore]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9cQf...eature=related

[revcore]

[GasoLane]

You would be surprised how much dihydrogen monoxide is up there.

[SEZ213]

Dr. Karl reckons that this stuff is a bit of a myth...I'm inclined to agree with him.

[The Monty]

A couple of weeks ago on all the weather radars from Newcastle to brisbane, there were solid false echos one after the other. Nothing should have been on the radar at the time. There were ADF flights planned for that route at that time. The metal dust they release with the chemicals is used to block radars peettuy effectively. So deffinately not a myth.

[Nikked]

Its part of the NWO run by secret US government organisations...

[revcore]

We have chemtrails all over the sky above Mildura on a daily basis....Not just the odd one but sometimes as many as four a day and look to be atleast a few kilometers long.
Even as a kid growing up in Melbourne during the 80's I remember them too but nothing like they are these days.

[revcore]

Here's a youtube clip I found regarding chemtrails over Mildura where I live...
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?...LdQq-Q&index=2

[revcore]

Mildura is being bombarded with chemtrails.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORPpD...kbEX7YLjLdQq-Q

[xxx000]

can this thread be moved to the jokes section please

honestly we've got more interesting things to talk about than unsubstantiated fear mongering like this

[revcore]

Originally Posted by xxx000

can this thread be moved to the jokes section please

honestly we've got more interesting things to talk about than unsubstantiated fear mongering like this

Fear mongering? This isn't a joke mate...It's a real thing and it's happening all over the world.
I don't care if people think I'm a looney, I'm simply expressing my views on what I believe to be toxins being released into the atmosphere that are making us all sick.

[Nikked]

Dude...

"chemtrails" are a myth cooked up by basement dwelling WOW players. As a conspiracy theory, it holds little weight...


All you will find in a contrail is the water vapour, and various other normal exhaust emissions...there is no purposeful spraying of our land.

Stop and think about it, something released 9'ks in the atmosphere isn't going to be a affective way of poisoning anything below it.

[12slotter]

2 excellent docos on the subject I really don't know why anyone can see this as a "myth/conspiracy" When the evidence is staring you right in the face https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0k...?v=mEfJO0-cTis

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Dude...

"chemtrails" are a myth cooked up by basement dwelling WOW players. As a conspiracy theory, it holds little weight...


All you will find in a contrail is the water vapour, and various other normal exhaust emissions...there is no purposeful spraying of our land.

Stop and think about it, something released 9'ks in the atmosphere isn't going to be a affective way of poisoning anything below it.

poison? more like turn forest into desert.

[pottery beige]

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

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If they poison all the soil with aluminium, then there won't be any left for tin hats!

[burnz]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

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that foil is to protect his head, those linear amp cook cells.

[Nikked]

So to poison soil with Aluminium spraying would take quite a bit....

I'll go through the calculations:

First, according to The Engineering Toolbox, average soil weighs between 75 and 100 pounds per cubic foot, average of that is 87.5 lb/cu.ft.

An average 1/4 acre city lot contains 10890 square feet.

Subtracting a 2000 square foot house along with various appurtenances, sidewalks, patios and driveway from the lot leaves you with approximately 8000 square feet of soil surface, so I agree with Steve's figure of 8000 square feet.

A block of soil 8000 square feet and six inches deep(1/2 foot) would contain 8000 sq.ft x 1/2 foot deep= 4000 cubic feet.

Using the average weight of soil of 87.5 lbs/cu. ft. x 4000 cubic feet= 350,000 lbs

The change in soil aluminium content through stratospheric aerosol spraying claimed by Mangels is from 1.3% to 1.6%
1.6% minus(-) 1.3% = 0.3% change

0.3 % of the total soil weight is .003 x 350,000 lbs =1050 lbs of elemental aluminium.

So, my figures closely match Steve's results of 1080 lbs.

However, as Steve notes, Mangels doesn't claim that elemental aluminium metal is being sprayed, he claims that aluminium oxide is being sprayed.

Since aluminium oxide is a compound made up of aluminum and oxygen, some of the mass of that compound is elemental aluminum and some is elemental oxygen. Aluminum oxide contains 52.9250 % aluminum, along with 47.0750 % oxygen.

So, in order to increase soil elemental aluminum content by 1050 lbs using aluminum oxide containing only 52.9250% elemental aluminum would require an addition of 1050 lbs aluminum oxide x 1/.529250 = 1983.939 lbs. of aluminum oxide.

The resulting rate of application to achieve this amount of change in aluminum content of the soil is thus:
1983 lbs /8000 sq. ft.= 0.2478 lbs per square feet.

Is it even plausible that aircraft "spraying" from 30,000 feet coud place 1983 lbs. of aluminum oxide on Mangels city lot?
Let's examine such a claim as to plausibility...

The city of Mt. Shasta lies within Siskiyou county. The county contains 6,347 square miles, or 176,944,204,800 about 177 billion square feet.
In order to cover only Siskiyou county at the rate claimed by Mangels would require a total application of:
176,944,204,800 square feet x .2478 lbs./sq. ft. = 43,846,773,949 lbs, or 21.92 million tons of aluminum oxide.

Total world aluminum oxide production is approximately 45 million tons.

It is not even plausible that nearly one half of total world production of aluminum oxide would have been applied in such a manner, over a single US county. Most likey, the difference between soil under Mangels house and soil outside in his yard is just due to differences in soil, perhaps the foundation was backfilled with a different soil, or soil was trucked in to fill his yard.

[12slotter]

This web site should explain a lot, as i see it, its a real occurrence and we shouldn't under estimate what is really going on here . http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Ch..._Documents.php

[burnz]

Originally Posted by Nikked

So to poison soil with Aluminium spraying would take quite a bit....

such a myth they even patent it.

[revcore]

Originally Posted by 12slotter

This web site should explain a lot, as i see it, its a real occurrence and we shouldn't under estimate what is really going on here . http://stopsprayingcalifornia.com/Ch..._Documents.php

I wouldn't bother trying to convince them mate...They have already closed their minds to the possibilities that it might actually exist.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by burnz

such a myth they even patent it.
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A smoke generator for target drone practice?

[burnz]

drone in 1974?
forward thinking?

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by burnz

drone in 1974?
forward thinking?

Yes, old aircraft have been used a target practice (to test missile guidance systems, warheads etc.) And yes, they did this in the 70's...old delta daggers were common.


Also, unmanned drones are nothing new...they were widely tested in the 60's as part of Lockheeds A-12 program (the drone was carried piggy back by the A-12 and intended to be launched over Russia)...

[chamb0]

It doesn't make sense to me that a top secret covert program like this would get a patent, which among other things is an agreement to publicly disclose the invention and its technical details. Any member of the public can look them up.

Why go out of your way to invent something that would make the trail visible to everybody? As far as secrecy goes, is there a more visible exhibition of the process than painting it for miles across the sky above millions of people's heads? Why do that when there would be so much to lose if people found out.

[FGII-XR6]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

You would be surprised how much dihydrogen monoxide is up there.

A highly dangerous compound here are the facts http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html . we must act now to ban this deadly compound .
it's use to undermine the human race can be traced to biblical times where an attempt to obliterate all life on earth with dihydrogen monoxide was only prevented due tho the rapid action of a brave man named Noah

[flappist]

One important thing to understand is that not one single air crew in any airforce or airline actually lives or has family in the effected areas.
They all live in an alternate dimension for safety as all it would take would be one tech crew or LAME who was worried about their own health or that of their family or even just the well being of the general public to actually steal a small quantity of the chemical or one of the dispersal units and sent it to the "resistance" and it would all be over.

That is of course if the media aren't in on it too........

[Nikked]

Here are some good videos explaining the hoax/conspiracy theory.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4kkCijEYpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27Cs6RjkBSE


At the end of the day, true science (or common sense) beats grainy pictures of contrails, super zoomed pictures of aircraft, bad "facts" and poor basic knowledge of the affects of aircraft in the atmosphere...

[envyyvne]

Im guessing some people commenting in this thread are also members of the flat earth society website.

If you have not heard of it, google it. Good for a laugh.