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Junes numbers are in ,
big movers, MG to 4 with Tesla model Y to no 2 spot for June. Rank Model Volume June 2023 Change year-on-year 1 Toyota HiLux 6142 down 19 per cent 2 Tesla Model Y 5560 up 90.4 per cent 3 Ford Ranger 5334 N/A 4 MG ZS 3756 up 168 per cent 5 Toyota RAV4 2858 down 33.6 per cent 6 Hyundai Tucson 2669 down 6.1 per cent 7 Mazda BT-50 2560 up 112.4 per cent 8 Hyundai i30 2523 up 40.1 9 Isuzu D-Max 2500 up 4.9 per cent 10 Mitsubishi Triton 2259 up 12.2 per cent
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I wonder if that's a supply issue? if Tesla and MG just got a delivery? otherwise those % don't really make sense.
out of interest - when did Tesla start to get recorded on Vfacts? |
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And the RAV4 Hybrid wait is about 2 years.
Everest 15 months or more. |
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EOFY Dual Cab sale - yikes.
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They started reporting last year after multiple requests from the owners club actually.
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Because of the spotty nature of supply month to month, I reckon end of year figures will be the best representation of what Australian new car consumers want.
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Think the supply issues have been resolved for most manufacturers. The delays are pent up demand rather than a supply issue; fulfilling the orders from the supply issue period.
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![]() Its all a bit of a joke at the moment trying to get your hands on new cars, shouldn't be this hard. |
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Bespoke models like a N might still be slow as companies look to fulfill bread and butter models first. Two months isn't long when you consider they're made overseas. Can't compare it to Falcon days when it was a few weeks from order to delivery.
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It will ease in the next 6 months with the removal of full temporary expensing, increase in interest rates and general costs of living.
MG's big numbers are purely fleets (mainly hire cars). Tesla has also just dropped their pricing on some models, plus a hefty incentive in QLD if you buy one now. As for Ford still a 12 - 18 month wait on Wildtrak / Raptor and Everest models unless you are lucky enough to snag a cancelled order. Toyota is still 6 months for Hilux, 24 months for Rav 4 and up to 36 months for LC300. Cars that no one wants like Volvos you can pretty much walk into the dealership and get.
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Top 25 Models
Toyota HiLux: 6142 Tesla Model Y: 5560 Ford Ranger: 5334 MG ZS: 3756 Toyota RAV4: 2858 Hyundai Tucson: 2667 Mazda BT-50: 2560 Hyundai i30: 2523 Isuzu D-Max: 2500 Mitsubishi Triton: 2259 Mazda CX-5: 1812 Toyota Corolla: 1703 Toyota Prado: 1627 Mitsubishi Outlander: 1624 Toyota Landcruiser Wagon: 1562 Toyota Kluger: 1554 BYD Atto 3: 1532 Mazda CX-3: 1502 Subaru Crosstrek: 1481 Tesla Model 3: 1458 Subaru Forester: 1436 Subaru Outback: 1435 MG 3: 1403 GWM Ute: 1259 Kia Sportage: 1252 Brands Toyota 20,948 Down 7.1% Mazda 9706 Up 55.4% Hyundai 8215 Down 0.5% Ford 7753 Up 55.9% Kia 7551 Down 11.0% Tesla 7018 Up >999% MG 6016 Up 36.6% Mitsubishi 5187 Down 11.3% Volkswagen 5125 Up 71.2% Subaru 4920 Up 37.6% GWM 3897 Up 59.7% Isuzu Ute 3611 Up 4.5% BMW 3038 Up 30.6% Mercedes-Benz 3016 Down 29.3% LDV 2760 Up 167.2% Nissan 2759 Up 44.7% Audi 1841 Up 13.8% Suzuki 1655 Down 34.7% BYD 1532 – Lexus 1491 Up 141.7% Volvo 1304 Up 11.1% Ram 1172 Up 85.2% Honda 1116 Up 7.7% Renault 972 Down 10.0% Skoda 810 Up 17.1% SsangYong 751 Up 143.8% Land Rover 742 Up 83.7% Porsche 726 Up 15.4% Jeep 655 Down 0.6% Chery 603 – Mini 587 Up 81.7% Chevrolet 452 Up 207.5% Cupra 359 – Peugeot 336 Up 94.2% Polestar 251 Up 24.9% Genesis 238 Up 98.3% Fiat 161 Up 98.8% Maserati 105 Up 32.9% Alfa Romeo 86 Up 45.8% Jaguar 47 Down 33.8% Aston Martin 27 Up 42.1% Lamborghini 22 Up 83.3% Citroen 19 Up 35.7% Bentley 15 Down 37.5% Ferrari 14 Down 30.0% Lotus 14 Up 600.0% McLaren 10 Up 42.9% Rolls-Royce 5 Down 37.5% Sales by buyer type Private buyers: 62.351, up 22.5 per cent Business fleets: 46,038, up 33.3 per cent Rental fleets: 6977, up 3.0 per cent Government fleets: 2923, up 12.6 per cent Sales by propulsion or fuel type Petrol: 59,995, up 16.8 per cent Diesel: 37,497, up 6.2 per cent Electric: 11,042, up 871.2 per cent Hybrid: 9020, up 40.6 per cent PHEV: 735, up 28.9 per cent Hydrogen FCEV: 0 Sales by country of origin Japan: 30,112, up 16.2 per cent Thailand: 25,063, up 10.4 per cent China: 23,233, up 158.2 per cent Korea: 17,227, down 1.4 per cent Germany: 6226, up 17.1 per cent |
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isn't there still a massive backlog in quarantine though? they may well be getting off the ships, but I still don't think they are getting to the dealers in any numbers
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Capacity to build 5000 cars and demand being more than that isn't a supply problem, it's an issue with predicted volumes. Capacity to build 5000 cars but only able to make 3000 (like due to semiconductor issues) would be a supply problem. Or ability to deliver 5000 cars but then only delivering 3000 due to the quarantine issues is again a supply problem.
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I'm convinced the industry doesn't compete with each other, it benefits all of them. |
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That's why we have Volvo's that you can buy almost immediately vs the Ranger/Hilux and now, Model Y. Tesla know the others are coming in especially BYD and they're trying to get as many out there as possible. They'll lose their edge but they still can't make enough to meet demand for Y/3. Last year was a supply issue for them. This year it's a demand problem.
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MG 4th? WTF!
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I could wait indefinitely for any one of the top 10.
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Just did Nullarbor again and it's Toyota and daylight - saw a GR 300 and it looked mint in the dark colour. Other practical reasons for choosing them, despite things like the problems they've had with their diesels - service is everywhere and a lot closer than JLR for example when out that way. I really like what Lexus has done with the new/forthcoming GX, wonder what the next Prado will be like? Twin turbo V6 petrol, or hybrid petrol? Would be very interesting. https://www.drive.com.au/news/2024-lexus-gx-unveiled/
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My sister has been waiting for a Volvo XC60 B6 since March. Car was built on the water when she committed. It's been sitting on a boat waiting to be quarantined for two months now. The blanket statement about Volvo's being readily available is not completely accurate.
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I can only imagine what those sales numbers would be with more production and shipping space,
it still amazes me to know that some vehicles have 18 months to 2 years waiting time. Most of those sales are simply top brands delivering vehicles that were secured by buyers months ago and anyone trying to trend sales percentages are just kidding themselves, just limited by supply and delivery. |
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When the day finally comes and all vehicles are fully autonomous what will "carriage" manufacturers do to differentiate themselves....why would you pay triple for a BMW carriage over an MG carriage when all you have to do is sit back and remember to get out when you reach your destination....
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[QUOTE=kypez;6824772
Two months isn't long when you consider they're made overseas. Can't compare it to Falcon days when it was a few weeks from order to delivery.[/QUOTE] Early 1985 ordered XF S pack EFI manual, was quoted 3 Months wait, about 2 months later dealer rang and told me a Price Rise of several hundred dollars so I cancelled the order. Was not so good back then. |
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We live in an age where everything (except cars it seems) is available at a click of a button, some things you can get within a few hours of paying for it if you live in metropolitan areas. The demo model they had on the lot they wouldn't discount, was the same price as a brand new one. Wanted one without a sunroof but because they aren't common it would have had to have been ordered on the factory, rather than just a car the dealership was receiving as stock so would have been 12-18 months away. Also in white was another problem, there was the option of other colours in stock at other dealerships but no one had white ones. Kona N was available in stock, if you want a gormless auto SUV you can have it yesterday, that thing is a disgrace its an i30N on stilts that looks like it was designed by someone with a fetish for Susan Boyle and 'plus size models'. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 06-07-2023 at 12:26 AM. |
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