QLD licencing laws set to change.

[Yaw]

I read in the Sunday Mail that QLD licencing laws are going the similar to Vic and NSW. Bans on cars, amount of passengers, curfew times and needing to display P-plates. Seems the learners age is to become 16 but with a log book of at least 100 supervised driving hours before licence granted.

This is supposed to be from July 2007. Did anyone else read this story?

[70caprigt3k]

Yeah i had a read last night. Im not sure how they are gonna enforce some of this stuff i.e. banning passengers in a p plate car from using loud speaker on their phone, but god i hope they introduce it for after a certain date, i am not giving up my car that easy.

[big_waity]

Sounds good. Glad I'm on my opens. Might be some high end cars goin cheap!

[kyro_02]

vic doesn't have any curfews....unless you're a crim

i'd like to see and (give 'em luck, they gonna need it) trying to enforce the use of no loud speaker for drivers , let alone passengers... I don't see why they should try and ban the use of passengers speaking on the phone whilst a P Plate driver, is driving... it's like talking to your passenger.. what's the difference :|

i'd imagine it almost impossible to get caught talking on a hands free (i do it) especially at night with tinted windows ?? ;)

[Venomous]

Yeah gonna be interesting,
I go for my L's in march, so im assuming i will still be in the 6 month L plate section yes. Will these rules apply to my? Im assuming i cant get a high powered vehicle, well a highly modified one at that, or can i? Anyone able to help me with my questions?

[HOON69]

qld are the first to make this amount of restrictions and if it works then watch out the rest of ya'll you'll be next.

ban on performance car
curfews
passengers
might as well ban us from using vehicles period,though the 100hours and 12months for learners is a great idea etc so i agree with that much

[Yaw]

Originally Posted by XR8 Guy

Yeah gonna be interesting,
I go for my L's in march, so im assuming i will still be in the 6 month L plate section yes. Will these rules apply to my? Im assuming i cant get a high powered vehicle, well a highly modified one at that, or can i? Anyone able to help me with my questions?

The only thing I have seen is the article in the Sunday Mail.
Other than they come into force in July 2007 is all I know, I am unsure if everyone will have to comply straight away.

[Simmo]

it says all the bans will be for under 25s. if this comes in do you think us young fellas who already are on opens with 'powerful cars' will get shafted? i bloody well hope not cos the DOT will take my head before the XR6.

[jimmy_c]

Well i wont be moving to qld then. **** there goes the Ghia V8 (if i lived up there)

Stupid ****wit govt going overboard. next there will be a fart tax.

[Yaw]

Originally Posted by jimmy_c

Well i wont be moving to qld then. **** there goes the Ghia V8 (if i lived up there)

Stupid ****wit govt going overboard. next there will be a fart tax.

No offence to you, but it may actually stop you mexicans moving up here.....hmmmm an unexpected bonus guys.

(not aimed at you, just southerners in general:P)

[S3SR]

does that mean i who already have my p's will have to rid the falcon? if the falcon is banned they kill me first

[70caprigt3k]

i cant imagine they can just say were introducing this law too bad for those of you who already have black listed cars you have to sell them and buy a hyundai. They will have to pry my cold dead fingers off the steering wheel before i give the sprint up.

[OED666]

from my understanding, it only affects those people getting their licences after 1st of July 07...

[GCFordChic]

I am all for more restrictions and reqiuirements for novice drivers. But dont you love the uninformative journalistic style of the Courier Mail....

I am not fussing about it until the government actually comes out with the outline of the new restrictions and they publish it for us to all have a good read of, to see if we are affected. Although i am not worried about any of the P plate stuff (i think it is fine and should have come in long ago, i wouldnt have cared) the high performance vehicles bit made me jump...

However, when new procedures come along, they tend not to be retrospective. ie. if you already have your p-plates and already have a V8 or other 'high powered vehicle' they wouldnt ban you from driving it, just the people getting their p's from then will be. BUT things like restrictions and having to display p-plates could apply......so i really dont know...this is where a lack of clear information has really let us down.

From the summarised points the Sunday Mail presented i thought 'oh bugger...we are both under 25 and are spending thousands on our pursuit 250, will we have to garage it and get scooters for a few years?!?!' then i read the article and it only talked about p-platers getting banned from driving high powered vehicles.

Lets just wait to get the full story from the government...

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by Simmo

it says all the bans will be for under 25s. if this comes in do you think us young fellas who already are on opens with 'powerful cars' will get shafted? i bloody well hope not cos the DOT will take my head before the XR6.

no, its for the people who have failed to get off their Ps by the time they are 25. whether it is through their own fault or not that they dont have a full license at 25 is not relevant.
the laws come out in July i think, these laws will only apply to any who gets either L or P plates FROM July.
if you have a car before then (registered) you will be fine.
however the laws such as curfews, passengers etc will apply to ANY L-P plater regardless of if you already had L-P plates BEFORE July.

[kyro_02]

ok, so in the long run... there gonna be less people cruising... ay you qld'ers , ha ha we can be mexicans, but you can't drive past a certain time (for anyone who gets their p's after july) ay :P

[AnthonyQLD]

Originally Posted by davway

however the laws such as curfews, passengers etc will apply to ANY L-P plater regardless of if you already had L-P plates BEFORE July.

Can anyone confirm this???

[GCFordChic]

i doubt we can really confirm to whom the restrictions and such will apply until there is a proper report published. But consider when they made it compulsory to display L plates recently...well all people who already had their L plates had to start displaying them even though they got their Learners before the introduction of that particular rule.

This is what i envisage happening...

AS OF JULY ... 2007.

If you hold a Learners license but have not yet been successful in taking the practical test to get your P license, then you will not be subject to the required 100hours to take the test, however, when you do get your P's you will be subject to all new rules and restrictions (R&R). (Probably will be a requirement that if you still havent got P's by the time the learners licence expires you will have to renew it and will be subject to new rules etc)

If you hold a Provisional License at the introduction of the new R&R and you are already the registered owner of a vehicle which is classified as a 'High Powered Vehicle' (HPV) you will be exempt from the ban which applies to P-plate drivers. However, you will still be subject to the R&R which apply to the "P-plate" classification you hold. ie if you have held your p's for less than a year you will be in the P1 category and must obey all rules and restrictions for that category, if you have held your p's for more than one year P2 and all corresponding rules will apply.

So you probably wont be allowed to borrow your parent's/older friend or sibling's car if it is a HPV.

[GCFordChic]

Also, i think the reason the summary in the Sunday Mail said 'ban for novice drivers under 25' on whatever they decide to classify as 'high powered' (they said may be output, not just engine size, so things like supercharged or turbo cars with smaller engines than the good ol '8' may be restricted) was for anyone who is under 25 who holds a Learner or Provisional Licence....

'Novice' driver i suspect is L and P licences, anyone who has an 'Open' and hence, FULL licence and is under 25 is not a 'novice' driver under these restrictions.

[kenz]

i did a bit of searching and found some info released today by the government about it. I only skimmed through it but it probably has what you need to know. The second link is just found at the bottom of the first linked page
http://statements.cabinet.qld.gov.au....aspx?id=47832
http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/youngdrivers

[flappist]

Well there is an election coming up......

You know what to do.

[Yaw]

Originally Posted by GCFordChic

If you hold a Provisional License at the introduction of the new R&R and you are already the registered owner of a vehicle which is classified as a 'High Powered Vehicle' (HPV) you will be exempt from the ban which applies to P-plate drivers. However, you will still be subject to the R&R which apply to the "P-plate" classification you hold. ie if you have held your p's for less than a year you will be in the P1 category and must obey all rules and restrictions for that category, if you have held your p's for more than one year P2 and all corresponding rules will apply.

So you probably wont be allowed to borrow your parent's/older friend or sibling's car if it is a HPV.

The Fact sheet is out now. This is what it says:

Power restrictions
Why implement power restrictions?
Research suggests that drivers take more risks, such
as deliberate speeding and reckless driving when in
charge of high-powered vehicles or ’performance
cars’. This contributed to a rise in crashes during
night time hours when risk taking was greater.

Who will vehicle power restrictions apply to?
From 1 July 2007, provisional licence holders under
25 years of age must adhere to vehicle power
restrictions.
What type of vehicles will be restricted?
Vehicles such as V8 or turbo charged cars, or
modified vehicles will be restricted from use by
provisional licence holders.

A list restricted vehicles will be on the Queensland
Transport website www.transport.qld.gov.au and
available through licence issuing centres from late
2006.

In another section it says this:
Will all provisional licence holders be required to
undergo P1 and P2 stages?
These changes will only apply to persons who are
issued with a new provisional licence from 1 July
2007.


So my understanding from what i interpreted is if you already have a Provisional licence, you are not required to go through the P1 & P2 stage, however when talking about the power restrictions it does not quailfy P1 & P2 it says "From 1 July 2007, provisional licence holders under
25 years of age must adhere to vehicle power
restrictions. "
So my answer is you will be unable to drive a restriced vehicle....full stop.

Here is the address for the fact sheet
http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/LTASinfo.nsf/ReferenceLookup/young_drivers_fact_sheet_provisional.pdf/$file/young_drivers_fact_sheet_provisional.pdf

[Mitch_]

haha! doesnt say anyting about modding them to be more powerful :P
fairmont...hmm only 157KW your cool to go...
k...cya **hits boost** :P
but i thought it'd only apply to new P holders

[GCFordChic]

Originally Posted by mitch_anderson

haha! doesnt say anyting about modding them to be more powerful :P
fairmont...hmm only 157KW your cool to go...
k...cya **hits boost** :P
but i thought it'd only apply to new P holders

uhhh...

Originally Posted by Yaw

What type of vehicles will be restricted?
Vehicles such as V8 or turbo charged cars, or
modified vehicles will be restricted from use by
provisional licence holders.

P.S ...This address should workYoung Driver Changes

Ahhh what do I care...wont be on P's anyway!! :P lol

[GCFordChic]

Just emailed them aswell...asked if the power restrictions will apply to someone who already has a provisional licence prior to 1 July 2007.

I still dont think that it would apply retrospectively, hardly fair, but then again the proposed changes have been out for some time.

Will wait and see...

[Outbackjack]

Any mention in these restrictions about driver training. Like proper defensive driving education???

[Keepleft]

All part of the creeping National Driver Training Scheme: NSW, VIC, SA, QLD, soon NT - and further development of it in NT within a few years down the track to 'mirror' those other practices interstate.

Kicked of Canberrra, December 15, 2004.

Bit by bit Jack. To be fair, its not all bad. Much air, but not all horror. Much improvement needed.

[GCFordChic]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Any mention in these restrictions about driver training. Like proper defensive driving education???

No.
Closest thing would be

What initiatives will be implemented for young
drivers in phase three?
The third phase will take effect from mid 2008 and
includes:
x Provisional licence holders under 25 years of age
will be required to undertake hazard perception
testing to exit the P1 stage.

Which is not close to training at all really.... I was surprised it will not be implemented as yet. Shame really.

[XR6_661]

Wuld I be expemt, considering I got my P's early in the year?

Hope so...

[GCFordChic]

I emailed Queensland Transport (specifically the young driver project) and asked if someone has their p plates prior to the introduction of power restrictions (as stated in info sheet,1 July 07) will they be affected in any way?

This is the response i got, which confirms what i guessed would happen, it WILL NOT act retrospectively, that being if you have your p's now, and have a 'high powered vehicle' you will be exempt.

Dear Jennifer,

Thank you for your enquiry.

High Powered Vehicle restrictions will apply to any person who obtains a
provisional licence on or after the implementation date, while they are the
holder of a provisional licence. Any person issued with a provisional
licence prior to this date or any person on a learner licence, will not be
subject to high powered vehicle restrictions. However, any provisional or
open licence holder, regardless of when their licence was issued, that is
disqualified from driving on or after implementation while under the age of
25 at the time of offence, will regress and will be subject to all
restrictions (peer passenger, mobile phones, high powered vehicles and a
late night driving restriction between 11pm and 5am).

Exemptions may be granted from high powered vehicle restrictions, for
example when it is mandatory for a young driver to use a high powered
vehicle in the course of their occupation. These exemptions will be
assessed on a case by case basis. Currently, QT is developing the criteria
that will identify vehicles that are restricted as a High Powered Vehicle.
There will be more information in relation to these changes on the QT
website www.transport.qld.gov.au/young drivers as it becomes available,
including the list of prohibited vehicles in late 2006.
Regards,
L..... E.......
Young Drivers Project
Queensland Transport