Kenne Bell Group Buy.

**Bluepower** · 17-07-2009, 08:32 AM

By popular demand..............coming soon.

FPV8U · 17-07-2009, 09:47 AM

Your such a tease..

XKALBR · 18-07-2009, 05:04 PM

hmmmm i could be up to be blown

F6T · 18-07-2009, 11:17 PM

Don't Tell Tex!!

gazza414 · 19-07-2009, 09:32 AM

With and without Intercooler prices?

sounds great and potentially for Sydney based folks in the new outlet?

AzuR · 19-07-2009, 07:20 PM

something smells good

**Bluepower** · 20-07-2009, 09:03 AM

At this stage, non intercooled only, and just confirming a few details, but looking like 9995 drive in drive out will be confirmed by weeks end,

also, exclusive to BPR, and at this stage 5 kits only.

Will have details by weeks end be patient....

RG · 20-07-2009, 09:42 AM

Man that's a good price.

BOSHOG · 20-07-2009, 10:42 AM

how much more to upgrade to the ic option?

FPV8U · 20-07-2009, 12:16 PM

That such a good price..

gazza414 · 20-07-2009, 01:15 PM

good price for what??...lets see the details 1st guys

EXR8ED · 20-07-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gazza414

good price for what??...lets see the details 1st guys

Well as Chris wouldn't let anything go out half arsed, I'm guessin It'll be a KB 2.6 with everything NON I/C needed (Drive in Drive out) to around the 350rwkw's mark (depending on the car) so yeah GOOD PRICE!

Cheers
Glenn

tex · 20-07-2009, 06:08 PM

Damn you Finnen!

Why didn't I know the 302 had the 10.8 comp before I ordered it??????

Awsome deal mate, there is going to be some lucky Boss 290 / 260 owners very soon. That must represent one of the best bang for buck deals yet to hit the market.

And a proper Kenne Bell no less. At that price, tuned by you. Unreal.

superpursuit83 · 20-07-2009, 07:06 PM

C'mon Tex, strip that sucker down and jump on board

fordboy1981 · 20-07-2009, 11:20 PM

you can still put a blower on a 302! it's only 3 points higher then the 290, just knock some timing out of it...

I've seen a PD blower kit on a 315...

**CAT600** · 20-07-2009, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fordboy1981

you can still put a blower on a 302! it's only 3 points higher then the 290, just knock some timing out of it...

I've seen a PD blower kit on a 315...

You can do a lot of things, but one thing you wont do is put a KB on a 302/315...... Mr Chris will not allow this.

Daniel

FPV8U · 21-07-2009, 08:01 AM

Tex just needs to find a Boss 260 thats sitting all lonely in a wreckers...

JOHNNOSF6 · 21-07-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by FPV8U

Tex just needs to find a Boss 260 thats sitting all lonely in a wreckers...

If he wants a 290 i'd be happy for a swap

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tex · 21-07-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by fordboy1981

you can still put a blower on a 302! it's only 3 points higher then the 290, just knock some timing out of it...

I've seen a PD blower kit on a 315...

So have I

yeh sure, there is lots experts that tell me it can be done.

I suggest you talk to chris mate, he'll not supply a Kb to a 302 / 315 owner. In so doing, he's effectively losing sales, and that's a relfection of the mans integrity. He won't put together something that is likely to fail when leaned on by the owner.

How long do you reckon a high comp plus boost, plus sustained track use will last? best advice I've received, from someone that knows more than we've collectively forgotten, is that it would be like walking on thin ice, very very thin ice.

An A - B car may last, with 5 or 6 pound, but a car used at 10 / 10ths, i do not think so.

I pleaded with Chris for KB, and he talked me down from the idea given my application. Most other tuners...... they'd have grabbed my cash and run.............

**Bluepower** · 22-07-2009, 06:55 AM

Thanks Tex,

yes Fordboy, even a recent conversation I had with Rob Herrod was interesting, with a YT fully intercooled kit only producing LOW 300's in a BF302 he was tuning.........lucky the customer had the budget for a built short motor, Rob wisely upgraded his customer and the car shot up power wise to where it should be, albeit at an extra cost.

We are the only Supercharger manufacturer that has taken this stance, maybe I should have sold the 30 kits for 302/315 owners and "taken the money and run". But, one thing I do know of, is that there are other supercharger manufacturers out there (heck, some even sponsor this forum) that have indeed supplied supercharger kits to 315 owners.

Out of 10 that called me, 4 listened, 6 purchased an opposition product, and a perfect 6 out of 6 FAILED. I know of a few people running competitors kits that are lurking around that are still alive, and trust me, one of our mid 290rwkw Bolt on 315's with a nice rear axle ratio would run with them no problem. Not worth doing when a bolt on car will nudge it.

Chris

Cobra · 24-07-2009, 09:47 AM

Is the main reason for you not fitting blowers on BOSS 302/315 engines because it is absolutely a ticking time bomb in any application? Or, is it because, to safely fit a supercharger to an engine of 10.8 comp, you simply can't extract enough out of it to make it worth it? Why is 10.8 so much more fatal than 10.5 BOSS 290?

In an attempt to answer my own question, I'm guessing that 10.5 is at the limit of safety, but in the long term still wouldn't last near as long as a BOSS 260 at the same boost/setup, whilst the 10.8 is effectively the 'straw that broke the camels back'? I'm very interested in your clarification Chris, and I apologise if you have answered this previously.

BOSHOG · 24-07-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by EXR8ED

Well as Chris wouldn't let anything go out half arsed, I'm guessin It'll be a KB 2.6 with everything NON I/C needed (Drive in Drive out) to around the 350rwkw's mark (depending on the car) so yeah GOOD PRICE!

Cheers
Glenn

im not gunna guess, im waiting to hear the details of whats included in the kit

im especially keen to find out how much more for the intercooled kit, as im not getting a blower without it

**Bluepower** · 24-07-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra

Is the main reason for you not fitting blowers on BOSS 302/315 engines because it is absolutely a ticking time bomb in any application? Or, is it because, to safely fit a supercharger to an engine of 10.8 comp, you simply can't extract enough out of it to make it worth it? Why is 10.8 so much more fatal than 10.5 BOSS 290?

In an attempt to answer my own question, I'm guessing that 10.5 is at the limit of safety, but in the long term still wouldn't last near as long as a BOSS 260 at the same boost/setup, whilst the 10.8 is effectively the 'straw that broke the camels back'? I'm very interested in your clarification Chris, and I apologise if you have answered this previously.

Time bomb

genebaby · 24-07-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tex

Damn you Finnen!

Why didn't I know the 302 had the 10.8 comp before I ordered it??????

Awsome deal mate, there is going to be some lucky Boss 290 / 260 owners very soon. That must represent one of the best bang for buck deals yet to hit the market.

And a proper Kenne Bell no less. At that price, tuned by you. Unreal.

Tex, no problems buddy, we can do an engine swap. I'm not going to ever SC my car, so my 260 is going to waste!

Matt_J · 24-07-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluepower

Thanks Tex,

yes Fordboy, even a recent conversation I had with Rob Herrod was interesting, with a YT fully intercooled kit only producing LOW 300's in a BF302 he was tuning.........lucky the customer had the budget for a built short motor, Rob wisely upgraded his customer and the car shot up power wise to where it should be, albeit at an extra cost.

We are the only Supercharger manufacturer that has taken this stance, maybe I should have sold the 30 kits for 302/315 owners and "taken the money and run". But, one thing I do know of, is that there are other supercharger manufacturers out there (heck, some even sponsor this forum) that have indeed supplied supercharger kits to 315 owners.

Out of 10 that called me, 4 listened, 6 purchased an opposition product, and a perfect 6 out of 6 FAILED. I know of a few people running competitors kits that are lurking around that are still alive, and trust me, one of our mid 290rwkw Bolt on 315's with a nice rear axle ratio would run with them no problem. Not worth doing when a bolt on car will nudge it.

Chris

For the record Chris, the two FG GT's we have fitted YT blower kits to are alive and well, one gets punished monthly at track days as well as being the daily work truck and the other performs the Berwick to City Monash trip twice a day, every day of the working week.

We have been supercharging 11-1 compression ratio engines for years, they work well. :voldar02:

Also, I dont agree they are a time bomb, if it has the right amount of fuel in it, the right amount of timing in it and the customer uses the correct fuel, it will live, the same as every high performance engine. You just got to get it right.

If you follow this link for the build up of a Super Charged, Super Pursuit 315: http://www.c31.org.au
Then search: Oz Garage, then click on the 24th of May episode.

Regards,

Matt.

tex · 24-07-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by genebaby

Tex, no problems buddy, we can do an engine swap. I'm not going to ever SC my car, so my 260 is going to waste!

Hahahah, it is very tempting, christ I'm hopeless.

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tex · 24-07-2009, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt_J

For the record Chris, the two FG GT's we have fitted YT blower kits to are alive and well, one gets punished monthly at track days as well as being the daily work truck and the other performs the Berwick to City Monash trip twice a day, every day of the working week.

We have been supercharging 11-1 compression ratio engines for years, they work well. :voldar02:

Also, I dont agree they are a time bomb, if it has the right amount of fuel in it, the right amount of timing in it and the customer uses the correct fuel, it will live, the same as every high performance engine. You just got to get it right.

If you follow this link for the build up of a Super Charged, Super Pursuit 315: http://www.c31.org.au
Then search: Oz Garage, then click on the 24th of May episode.

Regards,

Matt.

Hi, how much power are these cars producing?

2 vehicles is hardly definitive proof that there's happiness to be had with a forced 302 / 315 wouldn't you agree

GTPete · 24-07-2009, 08:11 PM

Not trying to be a smart **** but does this comment suggest ( "You just got to get it right".)that theres next to no margin for error when tuning a S/C 315?

Matt_J · 25-07-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tex

Hi, how much power are these cars producing?

2 vehicles is hardly definitive proof that there's happiness to be had with a forced 302 / 315 wouldn't you agree

Hi Tex,

Both cars make around 350 Real World kw on a very unhappy dyno, run after run.

Yes, I will agree, but while we have only done two 302 / 315 Boss engines, we have supercharged or turbocharged probably hundreds of LS2 11-1 compression GM V8 engines, which was the 2nd point in my post.

Matt_J · 25-07-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GTPete

Not trying to be a smart **** but does this comment suggest ( "You just got to get it right".)that theres next to no margin for error when tuning a S/C 315?

Pete, no problem with your post. I think its fare to say you have got to get it right when supercharging any engine, especially if it was designed to be N/A from the outset. We do not tune to the ragged edge, which most people know, and by doing this we leave a small margin to take into account differing fuel quality, etc. We actually have customers coming to us for this exact same reason.

Pete, to answer your question, no, what I said is generic for all applications.

Anyway, I have hyjacked Chris's thread enough.

Cheers,

Matt.