Radar detectors

[Trendseeker]

Originally Posted by GT-E

No radar detector is detectable if it is switched off.

. True. But what good is a radar detector if it's switched off? There is a contradiction in what is stated in Wiki and what is stated in the marketing blurb about the Escort 9500CI. I'd treat the marketing blurb with caution. These RDDs wouldn't have a great range; the radar detector isn't a transmitter but its oscillator emits small levels of radiation picked up by a RDD. The police car would have to be very close, possibly alongside your car I'd guess. It's a game of technology leapfrog: you have to keep buying new models to outfox the opposition. Easier to stick to the speed limit.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by GT-E

Police also do not have the right to search your car, if there is not probable cause. Suspecting you of having one, is not enough grounds for a search, unless their RDD has detected it.

[/B]

Good luck arguing that 1, a car is fair game, police can search a car when ever they like..

[bathurst77]

TO me the prob with detectors is that they woud give a false sense of security. Like brakes tha work "almost every time". If i had one i would speed more thinking i will know when ther is a speed trap.
Until the one time it misses one....

TO steal the tyre ad
"if it only fails to detect once a year (or 5).. its a bad idea"

[damir05]

radars are good, where can i buy V1 in perth?

[tweeked]

IF drivers of modified cars were treated the same as the rest I would agree that detectors are a waste of time.

Ever since i started driving a car with stripes on it i have been treated differently by police. The have lost my respect.

A pity when a good taxpaying, law abiding citizen (apart from a couple of very low grade non dandgerous infringements, that i was never pulled over for in the past) ends up like this.

My best wishes to the radar detector industry in their efforts to level the playing field.

[mrbaxr6t]

If the issuing of speeding fines wasn't done so sneaky then this thread wouldn't exist now would it?

[Crazed]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

I love this Aussie defeatisim; IF you want to maintain the right to own and operate the things, then damned well get off thee **** and write or email the Premier, police minister, roads minister and tell them you demand they leave the subject alone.

They get paid enough, so tell them.


And stop ever feeling 'guilty' for owning one.

LIB's Murray Criddle decided waay back, after discussion, to not ban the things as required under the then new ARR's, on the basis of the lack of evidence that owning one, or having one in the car switched-off caused crashes.

Once you lose 'rights' you will rarely get them back. Understand Constitutionally, you have a right to all things, until law restricts that.

Is it important GovCo WA Inc hear your complaint??? YES, because the geographical area surrounding greater Perth is inhabited by "political activist - road safety nazis", take it from me, these type will do all they can to get you out of your private motor car, and that means to make ownership and operation of it particularly miserable indeed.

I face them down here in my home state, sometimes they travel to places like NT 'to create change', or WA . . .

That said, what WA could do, is simply restrict L, P1, P2 holders from having one in the car or possession whatsoever. That, people could live with. You could also prohibit convicted hoons or those that have recorded crash histories from owning the devices.

Your probably going to be OK with the Liberals now in power in the West, the state Libs have always been a bit scepitcal of the 'speed kills' mantra, especially with so much research proving otherwise.

The Liberals in NT wanted to keep the highways unlimited. And the Liberals in SA wanted to increase the speed limits in the parklands and on Southern Expressway (what INCREASE??!?, I almost fell off my chair hearing a politcal party in Australia say that). Of course, they both lost their elections...

[nickd]

Originally Posted by IH8HSV

Hi all...

It seems our luck in W.A. concerning radar detectors is going to finally run out. With rumors circulating that they will be outlawed within the year. I'm not surprised that this has not been done sooner though.

I'm curious in knowing how our friends in the eastern states combat the ban of radar detector use.

Do you guys still use them? I see the police have a radar detector detector called a STALCAR. How effective are these at catching you out? Has many people been caught?

I see you can buy a new BEL radar detector which is hidden from the police STALCAR detector. Has anyone used these?

Anyone in the eastern states with some info would be much appreciated.

Bel STi XR and Bel Sti Driver way to go from what I read here and there.

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by xdnickd

Bel STi XR and Bel Sti Driver way to go from what I read here and there.

Read post 29.

Originally Posted by Crazed

Your probably going to be OK with the Liberals now in power in the West, the state Libs have always been a bit scepitcal of the 'speed kills' mantra, especially with so much research proving otherwise.

The Liberals in NT wanted to keep the highways unlimited. And the Liberals in SA wanted to increase the speed limits in the parklands and on Southern Expressway (what INCREASE??!?, I almost fell off my chair hearing a politcal party in Australia say that). Of course, they both lost their elections...

WA LIB could become all politically incorrect and 'direct' MainRoads WA to post derestriction signs (//) once again on the main highway up in the Kimberley.

(Harold Scruby will then visit or ring and complain, guaranteed)

BUT, it is a little hard to do that now because the (VIC based) academics and transport staffers who write AS1742.4,- have DELETED the old speed derestriction sign as of year date 2009 edition. It use to be catalogued 'R4-2'.

But, the 'wise' GovCo will simply use the sign, IGNORING AS 1742.4, by using the sign as permitted by Commonwealth contract of; that held in the "UN Road Traffic Convention" where (//) is catalogued as C,17a vis; "END OF ALL LOCAL PROHIBITIONS IMPOSED ON MOVING VEHICLES".

OR they could make a mild road safety mistake, and simply post R4-1 130km/h signage on some remote rural highways, or freeway.

Your right though, the whole speed limit maximums as they stand are 'dumb'. Mum n dads then panic; 'what about the young ones'? Duh - "License Conditions" RESTRICT these children to maximum speeds anyhow, below any 120/130 or (//) proposal.

THE SA LIB chap has been pushing 130km /h for many years, SA LABOUR keep preventing discussion by shutting him down in parliament. I did suggest to him that he drop this 130km/h nonsense:-) and focus on derestriction instead, it is simply a safer method.

Speed-limits create entitlement, and that means bunched-up traffic. Hopeless really.

What will happen in AUS is this GPS and 'other technology' based speed control over your daily lives. More bulldung from extreme-left wing academia.

RTA friends can go to deep buggary IF they thinks we'll adopt the Illawarra system. If NSW LAB bring it in (unlikely), NSW LIB will remove it.


OT - I am tiring of this NATIONAL HARMONISATION in relation to certain road rules and standards, guess VIC must be too:-) I again asked NSW adopt 'certain things' today, wish to beat that rotten VIC to it . . . .

[Wally]

Originally Posted by flappist

........... You people are your own worst enemy and the reason you have so many problems, especially is some states, is that you just accept anything you are told is good for you is ACTUALLY good for you....

So what is it about Winston Smith you have a problem with... his lack of recalcitrance or the fact that he exists at all? I agree with you in principle, although there's one or two O'Briens here who would disagree. _2:

[dom_105]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

What will happen in AUS is this GPS and 'other technology' based speed control over your daily lives. More bulldung from extreme-left wing academia.

I'll expect all of those against radar detectors will be the first ones to put their hands up for big brother GPS technology in their cars.

[nickd]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

Read post 29.

So they are detectable your saying?

[Green X]

yep got my Bell STi-XR, Don't use it that often, brought it mainly for country driving cause i like to sit on 120-125km/h in most situations and for overtaking.

i must be public enemy number one

Fast car> Yes.
4WD> Yes.
Guns> Yes.
Job that help's rape and plunder the earth> Yes.

Don't be so sure on WA being safe from the road safety bubble rap committee influence, the current liberal government are useless when it comes to this chit and just like the new fire-arm laws we will get another load of rules and regs that do nothing.

[Crazed]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

Read post 29.



WA LIB could become all politically incorrect and 'direct' MainRoads WA to post derestriction signs (//) once again on the main highway up in the Kimberley.

(Harold Scruby will then visit or ring and complain, guaranteed)

BUT, it is a little hard to do that now because the (VIC based) academics and transport staffers who write AS1742.4,- have DELETED the old speed derestriction sign as of year date 2009 edition. It use to be catalogued 'R4-2'.

But, the 'wise' GovCo will simply use the sign, IGNORING AS 1742.4, by using the sign as permitted by Commonwealth contract of; that held in the "UN Road Traffic Convention" where (//) is catalogued as C,17a vis; "END OF ALL LOCAL PROHIBITIONS IMPOSED ON MOVING VEHICLES".

OR they could make a mild road safety mistake, and simply post R4-1 130km/h signage on some remote rural highways, or freeway.

Your right though, the whole speed limit maximums as they stand are 'dumb'. Mum n dads then panic; 'what about the young ones'? Duh - "License Conditions" RESTRICT these children to maximum speeds anyhow, below any 120/130 or (//) proposal.

THE SA LIB chap has been pushing 130km /h for many years, SA LABOUR keep preventing discussion by shutting him down in parliament. I did suggest to him that he drop this 130km/h nonsense:-) and focus on derestriction instead, it is simply a safer method.

Speed-limits create entitlement, and that means bunched-up traffic. Hopeless really.

What will happen in AUS is this GPS and 'other technology' based speed control over your daily lives. More bulldung from extreme-left wing academia.

RTA friends can go to deep buggary IF they thinks we'll adopt the Illawarra system. If NSW LAB bring it in (unlikely), NSW LIB will remove it.


OT - I am tiring of this NATIONAL HARMONISATION in relation to certain road rules and standards, guess VIC must be too:-) I again asked NSW adopt 'certain things' today, wish to beat that rotten VIC to it . . . .

KeepLeft, you obviously have a very good knowledge base on these matters. What do you suggest for people to do, if they are sick of this dangerous suppresion of drivers ability to drive? Im in a rural area, and as the speed limits get lower and enforcement gets tougher, there just seems to be more and more single vehicle accidents on these rural roads. As drivers start to pay less attention or get fatigued quicker.

Also, another little thing, im starting to enjoy driving less and less as its becoming so tiring and stressful always watching your speed or looking for cameras but not the road. Seeing I sometimes do 1500km a week or more, its killing me.

Do you suggest anything I can do? I have written to my labor transport minister, but it feels im just given some copy and paste answer which has nothing to do with my query. Is their an organisation I can join? Or do you suggest that if more people write, then it will be taken seriously?

[4Vman]

Do some research on which party supports your needs the best, then empower them...

Its clear we need a national highway strategy which is philosophically and fundamentally different in needs and approach from the needs in the wider metropolitan area..
The problem we have today is state govts treating both the same.

[mcnews]

Most of the decent detectors these days also have a safety warning system that alerts the driver when there are roadworks if those roadworks emit the warning signal (many do) and also an emergency vehicle warning, as in it sets off an emergency vehicle alarm when an Ambulance is on sirens and lights and emitting the warning signal (almost all of them I have come across). On a country road once after a blind bend there was an ambulance filling up a lane attending a crash, I had been alerted to the ambulance by the detector and had pegged speed right back etc. before I turned the corner. The warning system should be fitted in all cars I reckon, and all road departments, emergency services and roadworks etc. made to use the system.

[blueprinted_xr]

Originally Posted by damir05

radars are good, where can i buy V1 in perth?

give these guys a go...

http://www.dontgetcaught.com.au/

[Green X]

Texas House Votes to Ban Speed Cameras>

"The bill moves to the state Senate for its consideration. A number of states including Arkansas, Nevada, New Jersey, Utah and West Virginia have enacted laws banning speed cameras. Other states such as Alaska and Hawaii were forced to drop photo radar after the devices spurred public outrage."

Hummm, well we seem to follow evrything else the US does so hopefully this caches on aswell

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Green X

Texas House Votes to Ban Speed Cameras>

"The bill moves to the state Senate for its consideration. A number of states including Arkansas, Nevada, New Jersey, Utah and West Virginia have enacted laws banning speed cameras. Other states such as Alaska and Hawaii were forced to drop photo radar after the devices spurred public outrage."

Hummm, well we seem to follow evrything else the US does so hopefully this caches on aswell

Ah yes but the good old USA is a democracy.
A place where the will of the people is concidered.
A place where politicians are held accountable.
A place where senoir public servants such as Judges, Police Chiefs, A place where Government department head etc are elected and public servants can be sacked for incompetence.

In Australia

The will of minor pseudo academic lobby groups is concidered
Politicians as always exempt from blame.
Senior public servants are appointed usually based on party loyalty and incompetence is usually rewarded by promotion.

And the reason......

I always vote for "party x" regardless. The others are all bad and mine can do no wrong and even if it is wrong the others would have been wronger and if mine is caught breaking the law then the others would have broken more laws
etc etc etc.

We deserve all the crap that gets shoved down our necks because we REFUSE to do anything about it.....

[castellan]

The average Joe. thinks if you have a radar detector. you can drive around flat out. and not get caught. :
Constitutionally i don't think anyone has the right to take one off you.
There is not a detector made that can beat a QLD police in car radar.
Generally if you have a radar detector. you can only possibly avoid a bit over the speed limit. it may save you from a cunning government money grabbing exercise. and that is about it.
Is that a sin.

[mcnews]

Really? Qld speed dectection equipment is undetectable?
Radar detectors are best against car mounted radars travelling in the opposite direction, sometimes you can have a couple of km warning in that scenario.

[nickd]

Originally Posted by Green X

yep got my Bell STi-XR, Don't use it that often, brought it mainly for country driving cause i like to sit on 120-125km/h in most situations and for overtaking.

.

I agree but does it work and it it undetectable for the topics sake.

[castellan]

mcnews. yes you can detect the QLD in car. but as soon as we have you locked in your gone. it's not like the old one. were we see your over the limit, and then press lock. (so you don't have time to hit the brake.) we are the smart state up hear. didn't you know!
Ok well, the gov are cunningly devious. when it comes to getting revenue out of us.

[malazn mafia]

How do you test that the radar detector is working? Is it just a matter of driving past a few known speed cameras/redlight cameras?

[xtremerus]

Originally Posted by castellan

The average Joe. thinks if you have a radar detector. you can drive around flat out. and not get caught. :
Constitutionally i don't think anyone has the right to take one off you.
There is not a detector made that can beat a QLD police in car radar.
Generally if you have a radar detector. you can only possibly avoid a bit over the speed limit. it may save you from a cunning government money grabbing exercise. and that is about it.
Is that a sin.

Oz citizens have NO rights in the Australian Constitution. They are not recognized. We currently have no Bill of Rights in Australia. Our access to rights was cut when the High Court was made the highest Court in the land some years ago.
Sorry for going off topic

[500SEC]

It surprises me how passive we Australians can be about new laws and regulations. It irks me to hear from fellow motoring enthusiasts that speed limits should not be exceeded, radar detectors should be banned and that hoons should be hung.

Where has the sense of rebellion gone? Or are the above views shared only by the forum's Hynundai I30 sub-community (in which case, it would make more sense)? Geeez, we need to excercise a bit more skepticism each time our pollies release a new law that restricts our freedoms just a bit more.

Where will it all end? (ah, i know, the beginning of the end will start with GPS systems that will control our driving behaviour... three cheers from the I30 drivers)

[Green X]

Originally Posted by xdnickd

I agree but does it work and it it undetectable for the topics sake.

yes it works, saved me the other day. approaching a School Zone it went off this drew my attention to the fact i was about to enter a school zone so I promptly slowed down to 40km/h from 55km/h. ( the radar was just about at the end of the 40km/h Zone Camouflaged next to a tree, Now that's Road safety!!)

As far as i know it is the latest Undetectable unit specifically for Australia and NZ. it also lets you know when emergency services (Fire/Ambo) are approaching.

Tend not to use it much when I'm just driving around the metro aria as you get allot of false alarms and evry time you park the car you got to take it down as leaving a $1200 piece of equipment sitting on the dash is just asking for a smashed window.

I've been driving for 8 years and iv had a radar detector of 2 Months, Never had a speeding fine in 8 years. So i didn't buy it so i could drive faster. got it so i don't have to look at the speedo evry 20 seconds or worry about being done by a Radar set up behind a tree in a overtaking lane