Ford buys time on engine deadline - Page 2

Road_Warrior · 17-06-2011, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rastas

I'd say the I6 would still have a life past 2015 if only to power a falcon ute , wich i doubt will be included in one fords falcon replacement.

I'm told that regardless of which way Ford jumps for the next gen Falcon, the ute is a goner.

Makes my decision to buy one of the last XR6 Turbo utes much easier...

Bossxr8 · 17-06-2011, 09:53 PM

All the new regs gaurantee is that Ford will not have to spend a cent getting any future emissions compliance for the I6, as they will do the final upgrade in 2013 before the cut off date for Euro 5, which will mean they can carry on with the Euro 4 I6 until the new Falcon (if it happens) in 2016. They won't need to upgrade to Euro 5, if they want Euro 5 or 6 in the next Falcon it will use the global V6, as Kurack eluded to when he said Ford are switching to global engines now as well as global platforms.

It seems that Ford got in the governments ear about the Euro 5 and 6 deadlines, as reported in the press the local manufacturers were asked to give input on emissions release dates, as it seems it was designed to suit Ford, as the government knows the engine plant is on shaky ground and it will do what they can to keep it going until Ford are ready to go V6.

Its all so obvious when you think about it. Engine plant closure is a lock come 2016, wether their is a new Falcon or not. Accept it.

Ford will not spend money on an orphan engine being made in tiny numbers when its just so easy to go V6.

Road_Warrior · 17-06-2011, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Engine plant closure is a lock come 2016, wether their is a new Falcon or not. Accept it.

This of course assumes that the plant won't be retasked to do something else.

Gobes32 · 17-06-2011, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

This of course assumes that the plant won't be retasked to do something else.

Do the numbers add up? 100,000 engines a year is not a large amount in global terms.

Road_Warrior · 17-06-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

Do the numbers add up? 100,000 engines a year is not a large amount in global terms.

No, but in regional terms it may be and it doesn't necessarily have to manufacture engines. Where are all the Falcon's cast iron and alloy suspension and chassis parts made??

Bossxr8 · 17-06-2011, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

Do the numbers add up? 100,000 engines a year is not a large amount in global terms.

More like 30,000 these days, a drop in the ocean.

Ohio can make over 1 million per year. Not hard to see the I6 is a pimple on Fords **** that could be so easily replaced.

Bossxr8 · 17-06-2011, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

This of course assumes that the plant won't be retasked to do something else.

Like what?

Its unviable to reconfigure it for V6 production. About the only thing its good for is as a warehouse for FCSD, which needs more warehouse space. They couldn't get a buyer for the casting plant.

Or if the Chinese need a truck motor, but that wouldn't happen here, it would be stripped and built over there.

The casting plant make the brake rotors, aluminium casting make some alloy bits but thats located inside the stamping plant. Outside suppliers do most of the other stuff. Without engine blocks and cranks the casting plant is unviable, it can't survive on discs alone. Thats why the Bosch brake rotor contract only goes for 4 years when Bosch wanted 10. Ford know they couldn't continue making rotors if they weren't also casting blocks and cranks in 2016. Its all adding up for an end in 2015/16.

jpd80 · 18-06-2011, 09:07 AM

I thought Ford would have accepted Bosch's 10 year contract and sold off their
castings plant as a going concern like they did with the French transmission plant..
I guess there isn't that much need for a castings plant in Australia when you can get most thing cast in India or China for a fraction of the cost.

Bossxr8 · 18-06-2011, 11:21 AM

Rumour was they had a few companies looking to buy it a few years ago, like Interforge, but nothing came of it.

Road_Warrior · 18-06-2011, 11:30 AM

What happened to that Chinese aircraft tug proposal?

Bossxr8 · 18-06-2011, 12:12 PM

Nothing. Didn't go ahead. Haven't heard anything about the engines that were sent to the US for tree shredders either.

Gobes32 · 18-06-2011, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

More like 30,000 these days, a drop in the ocean.

Ohio can make over 1 million per year. Not hard to see the I6 is a pimple on Fords **** that could be so easily replaced.

I meant if they were to ramp it up to full production again. What a shock to the system that would be? ha ha

Joe5619 · 19-06-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

More like 30,000 these days, a drop in the ocean.

Ohio can make over 1 million per year. Not hard to see the I6 is a pimple on Fords **** that could be so easily replaced.

Where else fo Ford make engines in this region? Any chance Ford Aust could be the engine supplier of Ecoboost for this region, if Ford where to spend a little money here?

Wishfully thinking I'm guessing?

Paxton · 19-06-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Where else fo Ford make engines in this region? Any chance Ford Aust could be the engine supplier of Ecoboost for this region, if Ford where to spend a little money here?

Wishfully thinking I'm guessing?

Definitely Wishful thinking. The Engine plant isn't set up for machining Alloy, which the EcoBoost engines are made of. That being said, if a Business Case could be made, there is nothing stopping Ford from investing in the facility.

It is a shame that Mr T. is no longer running Ford Australia, as he had some plans in motion regarding Mondeo.

Joe5619 · 19-06-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Paxton

Definitely Wishful thinking. The Engine plant isn't set up for machining Alloy, which the EcoBoost engines are made of. That being said, if a Business Case could be made, there is nothing stopping Ford from investing in the facility.

Investing in the plant is want I mean... If Ecoboost is to become basicly standed in most/all Fords, they can't be all built in the US. Surely they need Ecoboost engines plants out side of the us?

LeadFoot81 · 19-06-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Investing in the plant is want I mean... If Ecoboost is to become basicly standed in most/all Fords, they can't be all built in the US. Surely they need Ecoboost engines plants out side of the us?

I reckon any Ecoboost plants outside the U.S would be set up in Asia, for the same reasons that Focus and Fiesta are built there instead of Oz.

Bossxr8 · 19-06-2011, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Investing in the plant is want I mean... If Ecoboost is to become basicly standed in most/all Fords, they can't be all built in the US. Surely they need Ecoboost engines plants out side of the us?

Ohio has the capacity to build over 1 million V6 engines per year, they don't need to build them anywhere else. That would probably be all the capacity they would need. They wouldn't bother changing the whole engine plant to switch from inline to a V engine for just 30,000 engines a year, and its only capable of making maybe 100,000 a year anyway, so that doesn't give them a whole lot of headroom to supply a whole number of Ford plants in Asia Pacific, but I don't think they have any V6 powered vehicles in the region anyway. Not that I can think of. Europe don't have any V6 powered Fords either I don't think.

Ford want global engines now, so the 3.5 and 3.7 V6's in NA and 3.5Ecoboost form will be the default petrol 6.

Road_Warrior · 19-06-2011, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Paxton

It is a shame that Mr T. is no longer running Ford Australia, as he had some plans in motion regarding Mondeo.

I had to think for a minute as to who you were talking about. I lol'ed.

Paxton · 19-06-2011, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

I had to think for a minute as to who you were talking about. I lol'ed.

For those that didn't get the joke, I was talking about Bill Osbourne. He had some very interesting ideas for Broadmeadows.

jpd80 · 19-06-2011, 10:43 PM

FoA actually bid for the V6 contract but lost out to the USA and sadly that was mostly
due to the ill-fated Magnesium plant in Rockhampton falling over before being built.

Joe5619 · 20-06-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Ohio has the capacity to build over 1 million V6 engines per year, they don't need to build them anywhere else. That would probably be all the capacity they would need. They wouldn't bother changing the whole engine plant to switch from inline to a V engine for just 30,000 engines a year, and its only capable of making maybe 100,000 a year anyway, so that doesn't give them a whole lot of headroom to supply a whole number of Ford plants in Asia Pacific, but I don't think they have any V6 powered vehicles in the region anyway. Not that I can think of. Europe don't have any V6 powered Fords either I don't think.

Ford want global engines now, so the 3.5 and 3.7 V6's in NA and 3.5Ecoboost form will be the default petrol 6.

Where is the I4 coming from that Falcon is getting? Are they engine plants in Asia-Pac building I4 Ecoboost engines? Surely one country in the Asia-Pac region needs to be building Ecoboost engines? Not saying it will be Australia, but still can't see Ford only building Ecoboost engines in the USA & shipping them to Asia, if Asia is going to be so important for them.

stang65 · 20-06-2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Paxton

For those that didn't get the joke, I was talking about Bill Osbourne. He had some very interesting ideas for Broadmeadows.

Shame on you for telling Jokes we don`t get, but at least you let us in on it.

Bossxr8 · 20-06-2011, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Where is the I4 coming from that Falcon is getting? Are they engine plants in Asia-Pac building I4 Ecoboost engines? Surely one country in the Asia-Pac region needs to be building Ecoboost engines? Not saying it will be Australia, but still can't see Ford only building Ecoboost engines in the USA & shipping them to Asia, if Asia is going to be so important for them.

Valencia in Spain for the 2 litre Ecoboost, with Cologne, Bridgend UK and a plant in Romania making the smaller 1.6 version.

They will supply them globally, not just for certain divisions. They are not made anywhere else.