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Old 25-08-2016, 04:50 PM   #1
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BMW M4 Competition v Mercedes-AMG C63 S Coupe comparison review


It's the latest round in the German grudge match between these heavyweight performance coupes.


Stephen Ottley
25 August, 2016


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Value

BMW: The M4 was already generously equipped with surround view cameras, adaptive bi-Xenon headlights, dual-zone aircon, keyless entry and ignition, leather M Sports seats, 16-speaker Harman Kardon sound system, digital radio and navigation. The Competition upgrades include blacked-out grille, side vents, window surrounds and exhaust plus new look 20-inch alloy wheels (up from the standard M4's 19s). Cheaper than the C63 but still well specced enough to give it a slight edge in this department.

Mercedes: The AMG is $7785 more expensive than the M4 but matches it for all the key specifications and gets some extras. Standard gears includes surround view cameras, 13-speaker Burmester sound system, digital radio, navigation, TV tuner, AMG specific head-up display and 19-inch front alloys and 20-inch rears. Plus it gets a bigger, more powerful engine to offset its extra cost.

Winner: BMW



Head-to-head: BMW M4 Competition v Mercedes-AMG C63 S Coupe. Photo: Lucas Kennedy


Inside

BMW: While largely the same as the standard M4 the Competition gets some small but important changes to set the cabin apart. There are new M Sports seats for the front occupants, with cut outs in the backrest and integrated headrests with an illuminated M logo in-built for a modern take on the sports bucket. The seat belts even get the traditional M division tri-colour piping.
There's still the same mix of leather and carbon fibre from the 'regular' M4 to give it the right balance between sportiness and luxury.

Mercedes: The AMG has the same blend of sports and luxury as the M4, albeit with a very different style. Whereas the BMW has a more contemporary design, with more straight lines, the Mercedes features retro-style round air-con vents and dark wood veneer finishes. But both feature all the same modern conveniences - large, tablet-style display screens atop the console and relatively straight-forward rotary dial interfaces. The AMG gets the slight edge thanks to its more comfortable seats and better use of space; the steering column-mounted gearshift frees up more space in the centre console.

Winner: Mercedes


Engine

BMW: Some of the biggest changes for the Competition package are under the bonnet. The 3.0-litre straight-six has been retuned and there is an enhanced sports exhaust system. As a result power is increased to 331kW (a 14kW bump) but torque remains the same at 550Nm.
Paired with the seven-speed dual-clutch transmission the M4 Competition cuts 0.1-seconds off its 0-100km/h sprint, to an even 4.0-seconds. It feels that fast, with excellent mid-range punch that allows the BMW to build speed at a very rapid rate.
Unfortunately it isn't matched by a suitable soundtrack. BMW was famous for building sweet sounding inline six-cylinder engines but this new turbocharged version sounds artificial; more synthetic than mechanical.

Mercedes: The new C63 Coupe ditches the previous model's 6.2-litre naturally-aspirated V8 in favour of a downsized twin-turbo 4.0-litre V8. Not surprisingly the bigger engine comfortably out-guns the M4, with 375kW and a whopping 700Nm.
AMG has managed to tune most of the turbo lag out of the car so the throttle response is almost as instantaneous as the old V8. And the response is nothing short of ferocious. With so much torque the rear tyres can struggle for traction at times but once they grip up the C63 is super quick, pulling strongly across the rev range.
To cap its dominance over the BMW engine the AMG V8 is one of the best sounding units on sale today - with a deep growl that gives the C63 an imposing road presence.

Winner: Mercedes


How it drives

BMW: The biggest changes for the Competition are to the chassis and suspension. There are new shock absorbers, springs, anti-roll bars and bushes plus the limited-slip differential and the stability control system has been reworked. Those changes make the M4 even sharper on the limit but, as with the standard coupe, the car remains less-than-compelling to drive.
Finding the sweet spot in the M4's handling is difficult as the handling, especially the steering, can be on or off like a lightswitch. Once you find it though the M4 Competition is an incredibly agile and responsive coupe.
However, the stiffer suspension makes it a hard car to live with on Australian roads, even in the 'Comfort' setting of the selectable drive modes. It feels like it is transmitting most bumps through the cabin, crashing hard over the bigger dips in the surface.

Mercedes: The C63 is notably softer and more compliant compared to the M4 Competition, but that doesn't make it any less engaging to drive. In fact, it has the opposite effect, making the C63 a nicer car to be in across a broader range of conditions.
Using the selectable drive modes changes the character of the car even more noticeably than the M4. Whereas the BMW always feels sporty and stiff, the AMG in comfort mode actually feels comfortable. But wind it up to 'Sport' or 'Sport+' and it becomes a proper sports coupe, with a more aggressive engine response and firmer, more responsive ride.
The AMG also feels more progressive than the BMW, making it an easier car to drive at the limit.

Winner: Mercedes


Kerb appeal

BMW: The M4 was already an impressive looking coupe, with a much more muscular appearance to the regular 4-Series range. The cosmetic changes to the Competition set it apart from the standard M4, with the unique wheels and blacked out exterior trim.

Mercedes: The C63 also projects a muscular appearance, albeit with Mercedes' now trademark softer, swooping lines (particularly around the rear three-quarter). But the dark alloy wheels, deep grille, wide body and angry soundtrack make the C63 standout in traffic more than the BMW.

Winner: Mercedes


Verdict

BMW: The M4 Competition is a better car than the regular M4, making it faster and more responsive. But it doesn't fix the on-off nature of the engine and the ride remains too track-focused.

Mercedes: Despite the major changes under the bonnet the new C63 Coupe retains the same core attributes that made the old model such a success. The new turbocharged V8 is a gem and the AMG engineers have found the right balance between dynamic handling and liveability.

Winner: Mercedes




BMW M4 Competition

Price: $154,615 plus on-road costs

Engine: 3.0-litre six-cylinder twin-turbo petrol

Power: 331kW at 7000rpm

Torque: 550Nm at 1850-5500rpm

Transmission: Seven-speed automatic, rear-wheel drive

Fuel use: 8.8L/100km



Mercedes-AMG C63 S Coupe

Price: $162,400 plus on-road costs

Engine: 4.0-litre V8 twin-turbo petrol

Power: 375kW at 5500-6250rpm

Torque: 700Nm at 1750-4500rpm

Transmission: Seven-speed automatic, rear-wheel drive

Fuel use: 8.7L/100km


http://www.drive.com.au/what-car-sho...24-gqzv40.html
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Old 25-08-2016, 08:59 PM   #2
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I'd take the Merc too in this case, but I love that colour on the Beemer
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Won't be long and you won't be able to buy a car without a turbocharger. Finally the manufacturers have realised the benefits and advantages of turbos. Looks like where in for a good time in the future.
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Wait, what? How come they didn't add the HSV GTS 430 in there too cause the media leads us to believe it's at the same level as these cars lol bawahahaha
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These are two door cars mate...

Different size and class of car.
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Won't be long and you won't be able to buy a car without a turbocharger. Finally the manufacturers have realised the benefits and advantages of turbos. Looks like where in for a good time in the future.
I think it's a shame! As good as turbos and to a lesser extent superchargers are, just knowing that there are no high-revving or big cubed naturally-aspirated engines out there is a shame.
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I think it's a shame! As good as turbos and to a lesser extent superchargers are, just knowing that there are no high-revving or big cubed naturally-aspirated engines out there is a shame.
Its going to be interesting down the road regarding reliability, parts costs etc.

I too prefer revving NA engines but for the daily grind its hard to beat the low down torque etc of a good turbo setup, TDi also then amplifies that.
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Wait, what? How come they didn't add the HSV GTS 430 in there too cause the media leads us to believe it's at the same level as these cars lol bawahahaha
This was a comparison between 2 door coupe's... Had they of been comparing the Sedan Versions of both I dare say the GTS would have been their.. I know Motor Magazine (and pretty sure Wheels as well) have done a comparison with the C63, M5, GTS and I think the Jag XFR before... The GTS has done quite well for itself in it as well from memory, I was reading the review again whilst unpacking my car magazines a few weeks ago...

With the GenF (And GenF 2) GTS, HSV has really built a world class sedan that CAN go head to head with what Europe has to offer...
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With the GenF (And GenF 2) GTS, HSV has really built a world class sedan that CAN go head to head with what Europe has to offer...
It's failing is it can't get it's power to the ground like the well engineered Euros can and maybe not on price but in size it should be up against the larger E63 & M5.

It falls why short on tech compared to the bigger cars and I won't say too much on the differences in build materials other than
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Its going to be interesting down the road regarding reliability, parts costs etc.

I too prefer revving NA engines but for the daily grind its hard to beat the low down torque etc of a good turbo setup, TDi also then amplifies that.
I love how Ford gave the big proverbial "F-YOU" to the status quo and went ahead and built the Voodoo. What an exquisite power plant that is! I never thought Ford had it in them, especially in this day and age.
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I'd take the M4 all day.
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